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lowry for nolan/shawne williams/2nd, that i would pull the trigger on and roll the dice with him, especially with his cap friendly contract. i'd lean more to dragic and don't think lowry is elite but above average. if we give up #11 for him i'd be disappointed.
 
i would be willing to trade the 11th for Lowry if we don't think we can sign Deron williams or Dragic. He is easily worth the 11th. I disgree with someone who said he has no upside; he is 26, has shown improvement in his PG skills and 3pt shooting and is a very athletic guy; no reason he wouldn't keep improving.
 
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RR7 said:
31.4 Min., 12.9 ppg on 44% shooting, 1.2 3s @ 38%, 6.9 apg vs. 2.8 TOpg. The production of Felton after the AS break last season. The numbers are even slightly better than that if you break down for specifically after McMillan was fired. If you are taking a small sample of before injury, I'll take a small sample of after McMillan. Where's the huge difference there? Production like that in decades? We just had production like that at the end of THIS season. And it's more a comparison if you look at what Felton did last season, the PG we thought we were trading for, and Lowry, the one we'd be trading for. Only difference I can find is that everyone hates Felton SO much, Lowry looks like a giant upgrade, when it's marginal at best.
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It seems you were cherry picking which categories you wanted to compare, or is there some other reason you left off Free Throws made? Getting your opponent into foul trouble is important right? Lowry bested Ray 4.5 to 1.7 in the two samples you chose to compare. You also left off Steals (1.8 vs 1.3) & Rebounds (5.3 vs 2.7). Add those three decisive category wins to Lowry also being a much bigger threat from deep, and it really isn't close at all.

PER does a pretty nice job reflecting the overall stark difference between the two PGs. Lowry has been a starter the last two seasons posting PERs of 16.5 & 18.9 while Raymond went 14.7 & 13.4

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RR7 said:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

Lowry: 5.7 assists per 48, 6.2 TOs, 1.1 steals.
Felton: 9.2 assists per 48, 3.3 TOs, 2.0 steals.
Dragic: 8.2 assists per 48, 5.1 TOs, 1.9 steals.
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Ok, let's resign Felton, he's clutch!
 
The guy gets hurt all of the time and he has almost now playoff experience.

Why trade for him?
 
When you're cherry-picking stats to argue if Lowry is better than Felton, you've already lost your argument.

NO
 
PapaG said:
When you're cherry-picking stats to argue if Lowry is better than Felton, you've already lost your argument.

NO
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Why would anyone have to cherry pick?

Lowry listed first per 36 min

pts
16.0
12.9

ast
7.4
7.4

rbs
5.1
2.8

tos
3.1
3.2

stl
1.7
1.5

fg%
409
407

3p%
374
305

ft%
864
806

fta
4.7
2.3

PER
18.9
13.4

off rtg
111
99

def rtg
104
109

win shares per 48 (average is 100)
157
42


As for injuries, minus his rookie year when he broke his wrist and missed all but 10 games, he has played in 89% of his teams games over his career. LA has played in 91%, Nic 72%
 
Mediocre Man said:
Why would anyone have to cherry pick?

Lowry listed first per 36 min

pts
16.0
12.9

ast
7.4
7.4

rbs
5.1
2.8

tos
3.1
3.2

stl
1.7
1.5

fg%
409
407

3p%
374
305

ft%
864
806

fta
4.7
2.3

PER
18.9
13.4

off rtg
111
99

def rtg
104
109

win shares per 48 (average is 100)
157
42


As for injuries, minus his rookie year when he broke his wrist and missed all but 10 games, he has played in 89% of his teams games over his career. LA has played in 91%, Nic 72%
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mediocre Man again."

First time I've had this problem. Congrats.
 
lowry would be a MASSIVE upgrade over the garbage felton gave us last year, but i'm still hoping for something a little better. the more i ponder it though, he wouldn't be bad as the blazers next pg, assuming we didn't have to give up too much to get him.
 
But anything is an upgrade over what Felton did the first half of last season. He was awful. Is Lowry a big upgrade over what Felton was giving us in the second half of last season, and after we got rid of Nate? Not a ton. He is better. I don't think at the cost of a lotto pick it's at all worth it, though.
 
...Lowry would be the best PG to play on the Blazers since Rod Strickland. FWIW
 
HAAK72 said:
...Lowry would be the best PG to play on the Blazers since Rod Strickland. FWIW
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i agree ... #11, especially after he's let it be known that he doesn't want to play for McHale, is too much to give up.
 
bigbailes said:
i agree ... #11, especially after he's let it be known that he doesn't want to play for McHale, is too much to give up.
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...no, not with the rate at which most PG's develop in the NBA [same age as LMA too]. Lowry vs. Damian Lillard :dunno:
 
I'd welcome Lowry with open arms. He's a dynamic PG. Either Rocket option would be nice.
 
I'd rather take 2 swings in the draft and risk whiffing on a top tioer player than settle for mediocrity....#11 for Lowry? meh....It makes the team marginally better, still going nowhere though....#6 for Lowry, no fucking way....
 
11 for lowry and i'd be disappointed, but if we could pkg nolan, and 2nd for lowry then why the hell not? hell, i'd even give up elliot if it meant not giving up a lottery pick.
 
Lowry is worth the 11th pick if you ask me. He was killin' it on the court this season before he got sick. Can't remember his averages, but I know he was lighting teams up!
 
bigbailes said:
11 for lowry and i'd be disappointed, but if we could pkg nolan, and 2nd for lowry then why the hell not? hell, i'd even give up elliot if it meant not giving up a lottery pick.
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A.) Rockets would never do that.

B.) No GM in the NBA agrees that Eliotts worth giving up a lottery pick for.
 
Lowry was in the All-Star conversation earlier in the year. If the Rockets were dumb enough to keep Dragic and trade him, I'd trade the #6 pick for Lowry without a 2nd thought.
 
I'd be one pissed of Trail Blazer fan if we gave up the 11th pick for Lowry! He isnt worth a lotto pick IMO.
I think we'll get better offers for the pick.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
I'd be one pissed of Trail Blazer fan if we gave up the 11th pick for Lowry! He isnt worth a lotto pick IMO.
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Dear Lord. Why on earth would you not think trading a low lottery pick for an all-star quality PG isn't worth it?


I am also amazed that this would piss you off, but the lack asinine way our front office is handling the GM and coaching search doesn't piss you off as a Blazer fan
 
MickZagger said:
A.) Rockets would never do that.

B.) No GM in the NBA agrees that Eliotts worth giving up a lottery pick for.
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that's fine if they don't do that deal but that's what i'd give up for him. i wouldn't trade either of lottery picks. again, his value is hurt by his comments to the press that he doesn't want to be there.
 
Lowry is not worth the #6 pick, this is the kind of trade inept mgmt would do...trade a pick that has the potential to be a top tier player for a player (Lowry) who makes your team marginally better and WORSE when you have the available cap space to sign a similiar type of PG (Dragic\Hill) at NO OTHER ADDED COST (ie picks\players). I cannot emphasize enough how dumb dumb dumb that would be....

Let me reiterate...You don't trade away assets for a player when you could essentially sign a similiar type player WITHOUT having to give away ANY assets....

The ONLY way you would consider such a deal is if the player coming back was WELL above what you could hope to sign and a legitimate star in his own right ...a guy like Rondo for example...

At #11, yeah...maybe...I would not prefer it, but I would uunderstand it....but at #6 that is just asinine....

I seriously hope PR mgmt is not as short sighted as many fans here are....
 
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e_blazer said:
Yeah, but kind of like that first colonoscopy, you keep putting it off in hopes that some other option will arise.
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I like that you think of me as something that is both necessary, but also good for longevity
 
Blaze01 said:
Lowry is not worth the #6 pick, this is the kind of trade inept mgmt would do...trade a pick that has the potential to be a top tier player for a player (Lowry) who makes your team marginally better and WORSE when you have the available cap space to sign a similiar type of PG (Dragic\Hill) at NO OTHER ADDED COST (ie picks\players). I cannot emphasize enough how dumb dumb dumb that would be....

Let me reiterate...You don't trade away assets for a player when you could essentially sign a similiar type player WITHOUT having to give away ANY assets....

The ONLY way you would consider such a deal is if the player coming back was WELL above what you could hope to sign and a legitimate star in his own right ...a guy like Rondo for example...

At #11, yeah...maybe...I would not prefer it, but I would uunderstand it....but at #6 that is just asinine....

I seriously hope PR mgmt is not as short sighted as many fans here are....
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Sure we COULD sign Dragic--if he chose to come here, and if we paid him more than anyone else offered. Or if we traded for Lowry, we'd be guaranteed to have him here, and we'd still have most of our cap space.

No matter how adamant you may be, it's not as simple as you try to make it sound.
 
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