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Does Lowry come without cost to the cap?

Your giving up assets and cap space...that isunless you think HOU is going to take back our trash with the pick? Unlikely....and I sure wouldn't pay the 6th to entice them to do so....

So yeah, it is pretty simple when you look at everything involved....

A trade for Lowry, taking up cap space and a draft pick is not a great idea IMO....
 
Blaze01 said:
Does Lowry come without cost to the cap?

Your giving up assets and cap space...that isunless you think HOU is going to take back our trash with the pick? Unlikely....and I sure wouldn't pay the 6th to entice them to do so....

So yeah, it is pretty simple when you look at everything involved....

A trade for Lowry, taking up cap space and a draft pick is not a great idea IMO....
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Let's say that the Rockets would take Nolan Smith, Shawne Williams and the No. 11 pick for Lowry. That's $4.3M in contracts out and $5.75M back. The $1.45M difference is less than the first year salary of the 11th pick ($1.75M) so this trade would actually give the Blazers a few dollars more to work with in signing FAs this summer.
 
Blaze01 said:
Does Lowry come without cost to the cap?

Your giving up assets and cap space...that isunless you think HOU is going to take back our trash with the pick? Unlikely....and I sure wouldn't pay the 6th to entice them to do so....

So yeah, it is pretty simple when you look at everything involved....

A trade for Lowry, taking up cap space and a draft pick is not a great idea IMO....
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e_blazer answered you very nicely. But I would follow, even if we gave up the #6 for Lowry, we're only using $3M in cap space (the difference between the cap hold for the #6 and Lowry's salary) versus the $9M (give or take) it will take to sign Dragic.

PLUS (and this is the part I think you're missing)

There is no guarantee that we will be able to sign Dragic. Making a trade before the draft gives us the ability to go into the free agency period with the PG question already settled, allowing us to focus on other positions. Gambling on signing Dragic forces us to wait until 7/10 at the earliest, forces us to hope that we can get him to choose us, and miss out on most of the other significant free agents in the likely event Dragic signs elsewhere.

I can't necessarily put a price on the peace of mind that a pre-draft trade for a starting PG would give, but I think that price would be somewhere around the value of the #6 pick.
 
Yeah I can't see getting Dragic now either. Before I thought we had a chance because Houston would still have Lowry and they would not over pay for Dragic. So I thought we could over pay. But now I see them trading Lowry and making sure they keep Dragic. I understand he is un-restricted but none the less you think they have the inside track.

For those who would not trade #11 for Lowry.......who do you want instead? I think Lillard will be gone.
 
Lowry has shown flashes but for the most part he's just 'solid' -- not an All-Star type of PG.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
All Star quality?!?!?! :lol:
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Lowry averaged 14/6 in 32 minutes with a PER of 19. PER 36 that is 16/7.5

Nash made the all star team with per 36 numbers of 14/12

It's not like Lowry is a poor player. He would be our best PG since Strickland
 
Best PG since Strickland. Come on. He's hardly a big upgrade to what we got out of Miller here.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You guys need to look up some stats. Lowry is a very good PG
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I want to believe you, but after being slapped in the face by Felton, I am not gonna get overly excited about a PG like Lowry just yet. He seems average IMO... nothing to get excited about.
 
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BoBoBREWSKI said:
I want to believe you, but after being slapped in the face by Felton, I am not gonna get overly excited about a PG like Lowry just yet.
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Understandable, but Felton had a 16.6 PER before he came to Portland. Lowry's is 18.9. Felton's win share was .094 as where Lowry's was .157
 
It's been so long since we've had a "solid" pg (outside 1.5 years of Andre Miller) that I'd be pretty happy to have Lowry.

Funny how we've had a continuous succession of good-to-really good PF's (Brian Grant, Sheed, Jermaine, Randolph, SAR, Aldridge) and pretty much bullshit at PG. I guess a lot of that is due to the stupid amount of money we gave Damon Stoudamire for 8 long seasons.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
There is no guarantee that we will be able to sign Dragic. Making a trade before the draft gives us the ability to go into the free agency period with the PG question already settled, allowing us to focus on other positions. Gambling on signing Dragic forces us to wait until 7/10 at the earliest, forces us to hope that we can get him to choose us, and miss out on most of the other significant free agents in the likely event Dragic signs elsewhere.

I can't necessarily put a price on the peace of mind that a pre-draft trade for a starting PG would give, but I think that price would be somewhere around the value of the #6 pick.
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Good point... but dont agree with #6 pick. #11 maybe.
 
e_blazer said:
Let's say that the Rockets would take Nolan Smith, Shawne Williams and the No. 11 pick for Lowry. That's $4.3M in contracts out and $5.75M back. The $1.45M difference is less than the first year salary of the 11th pick ($1.75M) so this trade would actually give the Blazers a few dollars more to work with in signing FAs this summer.
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1st of all, they are not going to take POR trash (Smith\Williams) in a deal with the #11 pick for Lowry, for #6? You might be able to sell that, but there is NO incentive for them to do it otherwise...So you will be taking back Lowry's full contract OR you will be dealing out an asset that is worth holding onto (and not a throw in for Lowry) be it Matthews or E-Will (or rights to Freeland)

2nd, Hou is not gong to deal Lowry until THEY can make sure they can resign Dragic, which is not a given either....So this won't be a draft day deal...heck it won't even be a beginning of FA type deal, meaning you will be agreeing to a "potential" trade based on 1) HOU is able to resign Dragic and 2) that you keep cap space available to absorb Lowry, all the while juggling Batum's whole mess at the same time...

I see dealing for Lowry (in particular) being a complicated mess...which leads to

3)You really have to ask yourself is Lowry WORTH going\risking all of that b\c he is THAT much better than Dragic or George Hill (whom you could resign WITHOUT having to part with any assets)?...heck or even a guy like DJ Augustin, Aaron Brooks or Jameer Nelson...

He isn't....

He is better than Augustin, Brooks and Nelson IMO, but worth going through all of that mess\complication? I don't think he is....nor am I convinced that he is better than Hill or Dragic...and the main point stands POR should be able to get one of those 5 to sign as a FA without GIVING UP ANY assets...OR having to screw around with a complicated "delayed" trade, where all the risk is on POR not HOU....
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
e_blazer answered you very nicely. But I would follow, even if we gave up the #6 for Lowry, we're only using $3M in cap space (the difference between the cap hold for the #6 and Lowry's salary) versus the $9M (give or take) it will take to sign Dragic.

PLUS (and this is the part I think you're missing)

There is no guarantee that we will be able to sign Dragic. Making a trade before the draft gives us the ability to go into the free agency period with the PG question already settled, allowing us to focus on other positions. Gambling on signing Dragic forces us to wait until 7/10 at the earliest, forces us to hope that we can get him to choose us, and miss out on most of the other significant free agents in the likely event Dragic signs elsewhere.

I can't necessarily put a price on the peace of mind that a pre-draft trade for a starting PG would give, but I think that price would be somewhere around the value of the #6 pick.
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No Guarantee he resigns with HOU either and they are not going to trade Lowry without having Dragic in the fold...So what does POR do on draft day then? Draft a player for HOU and then hope they sign Dragic? They would still be waiting for HOU to resign Dragic before they could deal Lowry and it changes Batum's situation not at all...

Dragic is an UFA...meaning there is no guarantee that HOU could resign him...nor any RFA related delays for POR trying to sign him, either he agrees or he doesn't....
I have a tough time seeing HOU paying him $8 million or so when they have Lowry on the roster....and even if they do, it doesn't help thier cause\trade value in trying to dealing Lowry afterwards
 
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Lowry would bring a toughness, no nonsense, hard nosed attitude that our team really needs. We are softer than HCP's belly!
 
Raptors going after Lowry. Calderon available? He was the savior of our franchise 2 years ago according to a bunch on here.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
That just means the Rockets will keep Dragic.
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I'm sure the Rockets would rather not see one of their two PG assets just walk. They don't hold bird rights to Dragic though so really he's not their's to lose. He's a Unrestricted Free Agent who every team is able to make a run at

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