OT Kyrie Irving is certain that he is not an anti-semite; many others disagree

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illmatic99 said:
judgement? this dude is one step removed from spouting neo-nazi nonsense to millions of followers while representing his team and the league in public. get out from under your rock.
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Lol. Okay.
Smh…

ill be more judgemental like you with all my assumptions.
 
illmatic99 said:
if you're gonna be lazy and not even bother clicking the link that addresses exactly what you posted, i dunno what to tell you:

Now the worst you could say is that Kyrie Irving deliberately promoted an antisemitic film, repeatedly defended that choice, steadfastly refused to apologize and dismissed anyone who raised concerns—including his team, the NBA and the Anti-Defamation League.

And based on all that, you could justifiably say much worse about him—and it would be hard to refute any of it.

The film Irving tweeted about last week (which we won’t name here) leaves no ambiguity about its own viewpoint, trafficking in countless antisemitic tropes (per Rolling Stone): that Jews control the media and banking, that Jews were responsible for slavery, that Jews created anti-Black racism and on and on, drawing on fabricated quotes that have been a staple of antisemitic propaganda for decades.

The film (according to a screenshot posted by the New York Post’s Mike Vaccaro) also accuses Jews of creating “falsehoods” to “protect their status and power.” Among these alleged falsehoods? That six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

There is nothing veiled or vague here. This is classic, blatant antisemitic propaganda, the same vile, hateful talking points spewed by neo-Nazis, alt-right trolls and conspiracy theorists of all stripes.

Kyrie Irving posted a link to this film, with these assertions, left it up for days, dismissed all criticism, made himself out to be the victim, lashed out at reporters who asked him to explain himself and cut short his media session Saturday night. But he did first confirm that yes, in fact, he’d watched the film before tweeting the link—eliminating the possibility he’d perhaps promoted the film without knowing its contents—which means he’s also forfeited any benefit of the doubt.
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Lmfao…
 
The next time someone posts a tweet about a mass shooting without comment, ill be sure to judge them on promoting mass shootings.

for fucks sake… lol.
 
BlazerBender said:
So if i post a link to a mass shooting without comment, does that mean i support mass shootings?

rhats the problem. People infer and assume waaaayyyy too much in todays world. And then are hastily judgemental about their assumptions.
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So what if he just posted a swastika on his Instagram or Twitter? Would that be okay as well?
 
BlazerBender said:
So if i post a link to a mass shooting without comment, does that mean i support mass shootings?

rhats the problem. People infer and assume waaaayyyy too much in todays world. And then are hastily judgemental about their assumptions.
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That's not a good comparison at all. Posting a news article is sharing news. If you post a link to an over the top racist movie, without comment, but confirm that you did watch it and all of it's racism, then one would rightfully assume you support it. Why else would you post it and not comment?
 
Strenuus said:
Just trying to understand why it's okay to pass off anti-Semitic literature.... because it's not. This guy has influence and millions of followers, but because he himself didn't say the actual words, it's fine? Because we all pass along things we don't believe in, right?
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it's not even just "tacit endorsement" like some people are claiming. His reaction to getting called out on it is downright damning. if this was not a 20 pt scorer, he would be out of the league.
 
RR7 said:
That's not a good comparison at all. Posting a news article is sharing news. If you post a link to an over the top racist movie, without comment, but confirm that you did watch it and all of it's racism, then one would rightfully assume you support it. Why else would you post it and not comment?
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did more than that in the PC following his last game this weekend. warning, you will lose brain cells after watching this bullshit.

 
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OneSport3 said:
So what if he just posted a swastika on his Instagram or Twitter? Would that be okay as well?
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you arent getting the point. It isnt my place or your to say its right. Or wrong. He didnt say hos link was good or bad.
but people just assume.
typical.

Sure everyone is entitled to opinions. Doesnt make you right or wrong.
 
BlazerBender said:
So if i post a link to a mass shooting without comment, does that mean i support mass shootings?

rhats the problem. People infer and assume waaaayyyy too much in todays world. And then are hastily judgemental about their assumptions.
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If you post a link of an article SUPPORTING the shooter and his motives.....well that's different son.
 
RR7 said:
That's not a good comparison at all. Posting a news article is sharing news. If you post a link to an over the top racist movie, without comment, but confirm that you did watch it and all of it's racism, then one would rightfully assume you support it. Why else would you post it and not comment?
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there can be many reasons. Mayne he is spreading it for others to watch and come to their own conclusions without inserting his own opinions to not influence others’ opinions?

Assumptions are making an ass out of some people right now.
I wish i had the pompousness to KNOW what others are thinking at all times and be so judgemental over it.
 
BlazerBender said:
there can be many reasons. Mayne he is spreading it for others to watch and come to their own conclusions without inserting his own opinions to not influence others’ opinions?

Assumptions are making an ass out of some people right now.
I wish i had the pompousness to KNOW what others are thinking at all times and be so judgemental over it.
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And why would someone want to share a movie with anti-Semitic messages to their followers? what alternative conclusions are there to be drawn from it that he didn't want to influence?
 
Solid movie recommendation. Draw your own conclusions...

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promote holocaust denial as well? And comes out in his presser and says history can't hide.
 
BlazerBender said:
you arent getting the point. It isnt my place or your to say its right. Or wrong. He didnt say hos link was good or bad.
but people just assume.
typical.

Sure everyone is entitled to opinions. Doesnt make you right or wrong.
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Sure, as an American citizen, Kyrie is afforded the freedom of speech and opinions. He is immune from prosecution by the government for his views. However, as an employee of a private entity that is the NBA and the Brooklyn Nets franchise, he is not afforded the same freedom. Private companies have the right to protect their image and products. And as consumers of this product, we as fans have the right to judge what’s right and what’s wrong.
 
OneSport3 said:
Sure, as an American citizen, Kyrie is afforded the freedom of speech and opinions. He is immune from prosecution by the government for his views. However, as an employee of a private entity that is the NBA and the Brooklyn Nets franchise, he is not afforded the same freedom. Private companies have the right to protect their image and products. And as consumers of this product, we as fans have the right to judge what’s right and what’s wrong.
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Right. Then boycott him and/or the nba.

I dont sit here and bitch and wine about things. I chose to support or not.

he didnt promote this while representing the nba.
Are people not provided a private lice simply because the media hounds then to celebrity status?

im moving on now because frankly ive wasted too much of my time discussing this irrelevance to my life.
Ill let others allow it to consume them with rage on an internet forum though. ;)
 
BlazerBender said:
Right. Then boycott him and/or the nba.

I dont sit here and bitch and wine about things. I chose to support or not.

he didnt promote this while representing the nba.
Are people not provided a private lice simply because the media hounds then to celebrity status?

im moving on now because frankly ive wasted too much of my time discussing this irrelevance to my life.
Ill let others allow it to consume them with rage on an internet forum though. ;)
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That's rich coming from someone who got banned from an internet forum for allowing it to consume him with rage and for bitching and whining. :roflmao:

As to the rest, he's of course allowed a private life. One million people following what you say on twitter isn't private. If he wants to be an anti-semite in his house, he is free to do so. If he puts it on social media, it's no longer infringing on his privacy.
 
Just imagine if the situation was reversed with regard to Kyrie, like some player tweeting a link to "The Birth of a Nation". You think Kyrie would say "gee thanks I will check that Klan movie out, let me see what they are all about". I don't need to taste a shit sandwich to know it ain't good. And no I don't respect or validate everyone's views. Sure have all the views you want, but don't expect me to respect the view.
 
BlazerBender said:
Are people not provided a private life simply because the media hounds then to celebrity status?
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When they utilize the platform provided by their celebrity for the purpose of influence, then no, there is no "private life" exemption related to their use of that platform. You can't have it both ways.

When Tom Brady spent the first 20 years of his athletic career avoiding commercials, social media, etc...he had a private life, because he chose to keep his life private. Kyrie (much like the vast majority of athletes) makes a point of exploiting his fame. Which is perfectly OK. But when one chooses to do that, one doesn't then get to try to hide behind the shield of privacy.
 
RR7 said:
That's rich coming from someone who got banned from an internet forum for allowing it to consume him with rage and for bitching and whining. :roflmao:

As to the rest, he's of course allowed a private life. One million people following what you say on twitter isn't private. If he wants to be an anti-semite in his house, he is free to do so. If he puts it on social media, it's no longer infringing on his privacy.
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And you do it again.

Leave my name out of your mouth moving forward.
 
BlazerBender said:
And you do it again.
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Leave my name out of your mouth moving forward.
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Link to where I revealed who you were? You commented plenty about posts made to you or that you made from well before May of this year, when you(re)joined. You outed yourself.
 
RR7 said:
Two replies now with personal insults.
Something something about rage on the internet? LOL
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not raging. Just calling you for what you are dude.

Im not mad. Just disappointed in myself that i ever gave you such credit.


You Are… yeah… not even worth my time.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
'Twould be a shame to have to lock the "November Around the NBA" thread on November 1st...

Insults need to stop now.
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Please do not. Ill delete the insults. I knew they would be anyhow but i had to say it regardless.

Sometimes things need to be said so others know how they feel.
 
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