LaFrentz Trade Scenarios

[Minstrel]

And even if trying to dump Carter, I can't see NJ getting rid of Harris to do it.

In my post, I explicitly said Carter wouldn't be the "bad contract" in a Devin Harris trade.

The question is, would they do something like Harris for Outlaw, Bayless and LaFrentz, if Portland took back a bad contract also (not Carter!).

Probably not. But I don't think it's insane. Outlaw and Bayless are both good young assets. I think Harris is worth more, but that's why I'm also suggesting Portland take back some bad contract.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

In my post, I explicitly said Carter wouldn't be the "bad contract" in a Devin Harris trade.

The question is, would they do something like Harris for Outlaw, Bayless and LaFrentz, if Portland took back a bad contract also (not Carter!).

Probably not. But I don't think it's insane. Outlaw and Bayless are both good young assets. I think Harris is worth more, but that's why I'm also suggesting Portland take back some bad contract.

Throw in a few firsts, cash, and Rudy

We really don't have any terrible contracts.
http://sportstwo.com/NBASalaries.php?#jump_NJN

Actually, we have none.

 

[number 10]

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another one - Utah gets their defensive SF for $6 cheaper, Phoenix get an expiring and a cheap young player in Outlaw.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

You'd take on AK47's contract, but not Carter's?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You'd take on AK47's contract, but not Carter's?

I would. Carter on a small market team where they have a bunch of young guys who all want to shoot. That sounds like a bad mix and could lead to some attitude problems from Carter.

AK47 focuses on defense first and deson't seem as concerned about having the ball in his hands to create a shot.

One problem with the Blazers if they have a lot of players who want to create off the dribble. They need a SF who is a defensive specialist and an opportunist on offense.

I always thought RJ would fit with the Blazers . . . I guess we didn't have a Yi to trade for him. : )

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

I would. Carter on a small market team where they have a bunch of young guys who all want to shoot. That sounds like a bad mix and could lead to some attitude problems from Carter.

AK47 focuses on defense first and deson't seem as concerned about having the ball in his hands to create a shot.

One problem with the Blazers if they have a lot of players who want to create off the dribble. They need a SF who is a defensive specialist and an opportunist on offense.

I always thought RJ would fit with the Blazers . . . I guess we didn't have a Yi to trade for him. : )

Wait. Now you'd rather have RJ than Vince at SF? But you want defense?


This is confusing me.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Wait. Now you'd rather have RJ than Vince at SF? But you want defense?


This is confusing me.

I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Nets players. But when I think of Blazers needs, Carter is not some who jumps out at fitting in, age and jadedness (for lack of a better term).

I see RJ as still rising or at peak, can play within a team concept and yes I thought he could play decent defense. I've mentioned RJ before on the other board and many said they thought it was a bad idea.

Blazers need a SF who can rise with this group and be a defensive presence, IMO. It may not be RJ, I feel confident Carter isn't the answer . . . maybe the Blazers already have the answer in Webster or Outlaw or Rudy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wouldn't want Vince because I don't think we need another primary scorer. We have Roy, we have Aldridge, and we have Oden (who could be a dominant scorer). Could Vince accept a veteran role?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Jefferson is horrible at defense and doesn't even know the concept

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I wouldn't want Vince because I don't think we need another primary scorer. We have Roy, we have Aldridge, and we have Oden (who could be a dominant scorer). Could Vince accept a veteran role?

And Rudy is going to want his shots . . . and Outlaw . . . and Webster . . . and Bayless . . .

 

[Natebishop3]

And Rudy is going to want his shots . . . and Outlaw . . . and Webster . . . and Bayless . . .

Exactly. I'm not opposed to bringing in some veterans, but they have to be a part of the team concept. I'm more apt to wanting someone who can shoot from distance, rebound, and play D.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Exactly. I'm not opposed to bringing in some veterans, but they have to be a part of the team concept. I'm more apt to wanting someone who can shoot from distance, rebound, and play D.

AK47 could at least offer 2 of those things

 

[Natebishop3]

AK47 could at least offer 2 of those things

I used to be a huge fan of AK. Now... not so sure.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I used to be a huge fan of AK. Now... not so sure.

Well he plays within a team concept a lot more than primadonnas like Carter.

Another guys is Battier that fulfills most of your wants too, although I don't think he will be available

 

[Natebishop3]

Well he plays within a team concept a lot more than primadonnas like Carter.

Another guys is Battier that fulfills most of your wants too, although I don't think he will be available

Yeah probably not, although.. is he starting or is Ron Ron?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Yeah probably not, although.. is he starting or is Ron Ron?

I'm sure Ron will start, I think Battier will be the 6th man, with Artest sometimes playing PF for short minutes. He's definitely strong enough

 

[ehizzy3]

LaFrentz+Rudy/Bayless + 2 first rounders to the Nets, for Vince Carter.

Can Carter still play SF?

 

[MikeDC]

Here's the thing: if you simply do nothing until next summer or 2010 at the latest, you can have a very legitimate chance at getting an all-NBA player like Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Anthony.

Why give that up for a guy who's not going to be anywhere close to that level. Even AK-47 or Marion, who are really good players, are going to be significantly older than the rest of your team.

So I'd say why mess with that? Don't, unless it's a short-term deal for a player with good leadership skills who'll be off the books in 2010, or it's for one of those really top notch guys. I could, for example, see Anthony coming available early due to the Nuggets sucking. I'm not 100% sure he's the guy you'd want, but he's undeniably the talent level you ought to be aiming for.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Here's the thing: if you simply do nothing until next summer or 2010 at the latest, you can have a very legitimate chance at getting an all-NBA player like Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Anthony.

Why give that up for a guy who's not going to be anywhere close to that level. Even AK-47 or Marion, who are really good players, are going to be significantly older than the rest of your team.

So I'd say why mess with that? Don't, unless it's a short-term deal for a player with good leadership skills who'll be off the books in 2010, or it's for one of those really top notch guys. I could, for example, see Anthony coming available early due to the Nuggets sucking. I'm not 100% sure he's the guy you'd want, but he's undeniably the talent level you ought to be aiming for.

I don't think the Blazers will be under the cap in 2010. Roy and Aldridge are looking to get paid after this season and that will take the Blazers out of the FA market.

We always have that MLE?

 

[ehizzy3]

by then we have to sign roy, and aldridge...we wont have as much cap space but its a good idea..instead of carmelo why not lebron? lol they'd be close to same price and paul allen would give up vulcan to have a starting lineup of

bayless/blake(sign for cheap)
roy/rudy(still on rookie deal)
lbj/hopefully batum(still on rookie deal) or maybe even ime
aldridge/dunno yet
oden/draft pick on rookie contract

since we have bird rights to roy aldridge oden bayless rudy..we could do it lol

edit: im not sure we could do it but i had my dream world/post

 

[Minstrel]

by then we have to sign roy, and aldridge...we wont have as much cap space but its a good idea..instead of carmelo why not lebron? lol they'd be close to same price and paul allen would give up vulcan to have a starting lineup of

bayless/blake(sign for cheap)
roy/rudy(still on rookie deal)
lbj/hopefully batum(still on rookie deal) or maybe even ime
aldridge/dunno yet
oden/draft pick on rookie contract

since we have bird rights to roy aldridge oden bayless rudy..we could do it lol

edit: im not sure we could do it but i had my dream world/post

Portland won't have any cap space in 2010, I believe, once they sign Aldridge and Roy to long-term contracts. Definitely not enough to offer anyone a max contract.

2009 is their only free agent window. If they don't do anything by the 2009 off-season, the chance passes.

 

[ehizzy3]

Portland won't have any cap space in 2010, I believe, once they sign Aldridge and Roy to long-term contracts. Definitely not enough to offer anyone a max contract.

2009 is their only free agent window. If they don't do anything by the 2009 off-season, the chance passes.

yeah..i just thought about the idea and then did some crazy scenario lol...i hope for granger(trade or FA), wallace(trade obviously), or kobe(FA).....i cant really think of anybody else who will make us that good(that we can get)

 

[Natebishop3]

The real sad thing is, we could probably put together a real nice package for LeBron, but Cleveland will probably hold out hope until the last second that LeBron won't leave them. So they'll get nothing in return.

 

[gambitnut]

The way I look at it, we have four options:

1) We can hold onto our cap space and hope we can snatch up some free agent next summer (Josh Childress maybe).

2) We can hold onto our cap space and try to make a trade next summer, ala Marcus Camby and the Clippers.

3) We can trade Raef and maybe Outlaw for a good player, like Gerald Wallace or Shawn Marion.

4) We can re-sign all our guys that will be restricted free agents this summer (Web, Frye, etc.)

Personally, I am skeptical that there will be a free agent available who will be worth signing. The "trade cap space for players" idea might work, but not everyone is throwing away good players for nothing. I am most in favor of trading Raef and a young player for a veteran. I think it kills two birds with one stone. We thin the roster a bit, we add a nice talent to the team, and we're still able to re-sign Web, Frye, and anyone else who is a free agent this summer. I think it is the best way to go.

I'm in favor of option 5, trade Joel Przybilla, a player I can't see being part of our championship core for the next 10-15 years, for a backup center with an expiring contract. Then we either have extra cap space as insurance against Boston playing Miles for 10 games or have the ability to do option 4 and still have the full ability to choose our favorite of the first three options.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Joel is far too important next year, and why would Indiana or Memphis trade us an expiring for Joel?

 

[ehizzy3]

joel for maybe blount? miami needs a center...we could probably get another player too, liiiiiiike dorrell wright maybe?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Blounts contract is the same length as Joel's, and he is a worse player. Dorell Wright isn't good enough of an add-in to make it worthwhile, especially since we have Webster, Outlaw, Batum who are better or somewhat comparable

 

[Minstrel]

Barring a dream scenario in which we get Gerald Wallace or Devin Harris (without giving up any of the big three), all my hopes are pinned on Josh Childress in the off-season.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Barring a dream scenario in which we get Gerald Wallace or Devin Harris (without giving up any of the big three), all my hopes are pinned on Josh Childress in the off-season.

I agree about Childress, like I have said before, I think he would be a perfect guy at the 3 for us.

 

[gambitnut]

Joel is far too important next year, and why would Indiana or Memphis trade us an expiring for Joel?

Because he's a better player, particularly on defense, than any of the backup centers with expiring contracts. Indiana has two possibilities. What if we help them get something for Tinsley? I don't see any centers with expiring contracts on Memphis. Did you mean Jason Collins? He's in Minnesota now. Before they traded for Love, I thought they should trade for a true center and move Jefferson back to PF. They might want to keep Jefferson at center now, but having a true center better than Jason Collins isn't a bad idea for them IMO. For us, I'd rather trade a player I can't see as a piece of our core for the next 10-15 years and accept a slight drop off at backup center than have to choose between signing a good free agent and keeping our own young players or getting stuck if Miles plays 10 games. Here is another idea of mine, assuming Storyteller is correct about Big Z's contract. We would then sign Livingston or bring Koponen over and take our chances with three young but talented PGs for at least one season.