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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>December 23, 2007 -- THE Lakers are angling to shoplift Jason Kidd, a Western hearing aide claims, for a couple draft picks, Kwame Brown's expiring contract ($9M), Jordan Farmar ($1M) and Vladimir Radmanovic ($5.6M with an additional $19.2M over the next three seasons). Not unexpectedly, the Nets aren't interested in assuming Radmanovic's long-term guarantee. There's nothing not to love about Farmar, yet New Jersey already has a promising, young caretaker in Marcus Williams.

Another time-tested source believes the Cavaliers (Drew Gooden) and Mavericks (Erick Dampier) are in better position to provide the Nets with frontcourt help, but neither team nor the Lakers can offer more than the Nuggets - an almost-rehabbed Nene or Marcus Camby vs. Kenyon Martin. According to my hall monitor, coach George Karl urgently wants Kidd to free Allen Iverson to concentrate exclusively on scoring. Aside from one of the two aforementioned big men, Denver is prepared to kick in Linas Kleiza and JR Smith.</div>

Wow,the Nuggets are slowly getting involved in this.It really amazed me.
 
yeah, no thanks. I'm about keeping kidd at the moment, and I'm sure Rod is too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To All, No thanks.</div>


same here but The Nuggets are starting to see what everyone was talking about.

I'm pretty sure K-Mart is hoping and praying that Jason is traded to their team so he can finally start earning some of that contract.

The Lakers are trying to be slick as hell. I mean come on do they think the Nets are desperate?? We give them Kidd for Brown (who has been under achieving and will prob go down as the worst number one pick ever.) Rad (who they regretted signing since he went all SSX Tricky) and Jordan (who I actually like but is not needed when you have Marcus).

If this deal went down the Lakers would look like

Kidd
Bryant
Walton
Odom
Bynum


plus fisher coming off the bench

Hellllllllllllllllllllllllll naw. The way Bynum has been playing and you add Kidd to that mix the Lakers would go from pretenders to contenders.
 
Hmmm...if Nene can get healthy, Nene, Kleiza, JR and a first round pick
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hmmm...if Nene can get healthy, Nene, Kleiza, JR and a first round pick</div>

I have no faith in Nene being able to stay on the court. Maybe he'd prove me wrong...but I'm really not sold on him. And his contract is a huge risk because of that at this point.
 
heres a deal i would do...would help out all 3 teams involved.. would only do this though if kidd wanted to be traded.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash=


Nets get some great young talent, along with some expiring contracts and a first rounder from denver. obviously smush and zo would be waived immediately. Williams will have to earn his contract with us, we get young talent in Smith, Cook and Kleiza. This will also free up cap space so we can resign Boki and Krstic if needed.

Heat gets Camby who will help them in the frontcourt since they lost Zo (who looks as if hes going to retire now) they have been looking to move J-Will for sometime now, and Smush wont be playing another game for them anyways..they get Atkins who can play the PG spot when Wade isnt doing so. However not everything just falls into your lap...so they would have to give up Cook.

Denver gets Kidd and gets rid of the players that was mentioned in the article.
 
Honestly with Marcus coming off injury I think it would be dumb to trade Kidd away without getting a PG in return...LA is crazy if they think that proposal will do it...but they don't that's a starting offer. They won't give up Bynum and there starting low to see if we'll bite. If they through say Ariza and Turiaf into the mix then I think that deal is interesting.

Also Cleveland would be interesting because Drew Gooden would give us a Dynamic young frontcourt...think about...Boone, Nenad, Williams and Gooden all in the same frontcourt. Grab Shannon Brown, Eric Snow (to back up Marcus) and a first and you might have an interesting deal as well.

I love Jason Kidd but I think maybe more than ever this team could survive without him...Carter and RJ seem to have finally meshed as players and there games are actually complimenting eachothers...our biggest problem as a team is depth as our second unit is just God Awful...All the offers would need to improve to happen but Im just saying Im not oppposed to change.
 
These trades they're discussing are a joke. Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen. And trade with Cleveland...well, they have Gooden, Brown, and Gibson, and that's not really enough. And then Denver has a bunch of bigs, but no point guard. If anything happens, it'd prolly have to be a three-way trade.
 
Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)

I think Cleveland is an unlikely trade partner but if they wanted to trade
a package from Cleveland would look like

Daniel Gibson PG
Shannon Brown SG
Cedric Simmons PF
Drew Gooden PF
Ira Newble SF
(they wouldn't want to give that much away but Eric Snow, Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall are just bad contracts)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
 
Wait, is that saying they might give up Camby for Kidd? Imagine a frontcourt of Camby and Sean. Damn. Still no way in hell I trade Kidd, though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
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Thank you...I try to be but I can understand why a lot of other Nets fans feel so strongly about Kidd I mean he did save our franchise. I think Vlad has to be included to make the money work...also I think Ariza would need to be included too.

But lets say we did Jkidd for Farmar, Kwame, Ariza, Vlad and a 2008 1st rounder...that would give the Lakers this

PG: Jkidd, Derek Fisher
SG: Kobe Bryant, Vulajec, Crittenton
SF: Walton
PF: Odom, Turiaf
C: Bynum, Mihm

That's a pretty dangerous team.

For the Nets it would look like

PG: Williams, Farmar, Armstrong
SG: Vince, Wright
SF: RJ, Boki, Ariza
PF: Vlad, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Nenad, Collins

That's a deep team that could run.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
</div>

A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money.

The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win.

And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar/Crit, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
</div>

A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money.

The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win.

And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar/Crit, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup.
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I hope you're talking to him and not me. I didn't make the argument about Kidd's scoring incapabilities, he did.
 
Farmar/Kwame/Ariza+2picks or Critt/Odom+picks for Kidd to go to LA. if you wanna give up Bynum, that'd be fine though. I'd like to trade him to Denver for Camby+Kleiza+Smith and maybe a pick? Then trade Carter for AK47
Kirilenko/Williams/Camby frontcourt, hell yeah, try and shoot on the inside now! and RJ at the 2.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you're talking to him and not me. I didn't make the argument about Kidd's scoring incapabilities, he did.</div>
Yeah, I know it was him. I'm sure you know better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
</div>

A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money.

The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win.

And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup.
</div>

The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning.

"A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money"

He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY.

JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might.

And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd.

Where's your basketball knowledge.

I feel better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 23 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No Bynum,NO deal.</div>

If the Lakers wouldn't do it last year, why would they do it this year when Bynum is doing great?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
</div>

A "rational Nets fan" should know that in most trades, Thorn either trades to rape the other team, or save some money.

The arguement that "Kidd doesn't score that much" is one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard, and proves your limited knowledge of basketball. After all, you don't need to score to contribute to a win.

And anyways, no way we'd pick up Vlad or Luke, their contracts are ugly as hell. However a package of Farmar, Kwame, and Ariza intrigues me. I forgot about Ariza in LA. I like Ariza, he'd be a pretty solid pickup.
</div>

The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning.

"A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money"

He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY.

JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might.

And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd.

Where's your basketball knowledge.

I feel better.
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Well said.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The argument being that if you take some of the ridiculous proposals on here the Lakers lose almost 30 points in scoring a game and unlike a Kevin Garnett or Shaq 3 years ago Jason Kidd can't make up that deficit. Yes Kidd is a great player, yes he will dish and rebound the rock but jesus you think he's untouchable with some of your posts...he's not Lebron, he's not Kobe and he's not Howard...he's not at that level. Don't question my basketball knowledge ever...yeah I'll admit you do a great job of understanding offensive schemes and such but don't treat post like I'm a basketball dumbass...Im not. Maybe you should check your ability to be impartial regarding a trade before coming a me. Excuse me for not typing a 2 freaking paragraph essay on the implications of losing some many offensive players on the Lakers...I thought your intelligence was such that you would get my meaning.

"A rational nets fan knows that in most trades thorn either rapes the other team or saves money"

He raped one team...the Raptors...I don't believe there GM at the time is now currently employeed. Other than that he's made decent trades some that worked and some that didn't. You want to argue the Suns? When we traded for Kidd he was a wife beater who had never been out the first round of the playoffs. Stephen Marbury was 24 at the time of the trade and was considered a potentail superstar...WE GOT LUCKY.

JASON KIDD IS 35 years old...New Jersey doesn't matter to this franchise....Brooklyn does. We aren't a championship contender Jason Kidd won't make us a contender in Brooklyn but some young players and picks might.

And if you think you're getting Bynum for Kidd your off your fucking rocker.*(feel free to edit the F-bomb but I'm pissed and I'm gonna express it). Bynum is 2 years and 2 months younger than Dwight Howard and already averaging a double double! (12pts 10 rebounds...at 20!) That's Big Time...he could be as good a Howard one day...maybe better and you think we can get him for Kidd.

Where's your basketball knowledge.

I feel better.</div>

Wow. Quite funny. You're making some ignorant remarks, and I'm calling you out on it. Big deal.

So, based on your thinking, Boston shouldn't have traded for Garnett, because of the players traded to Minny, there was a combined 44 points averaged. Meanwhile Garnett averages 22. Boston shouldn't do that because they're giving up 22 points, no way they could make that up. In retrospect, I guess that was a pretty ridiculous trade, and Minny got away with murder.

Kidd elevates the play of his teammates, and obviously other players would step up in the absence of the players being traded to the Lakers. I don't know how you're thinking on that one.

Okay, we raped the Raptors. Marbury's a joke of a player, who just isn't a winner. Meanwhile Kidd's a Hall of Fame point guard, who's good enough to lead his team to the playoffs. That's not raping the Suns? Oh, yeah, and not to mention we traded away an injured Kittles away and got rid of his contract, while he went over to the Clippers...and retired.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'>Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen.</div>
I'm still not sure where you're getting the thought that I think we'd be getting Bynum.

And to think he could possibly be better than Dwight...i'd have to disagree with that.
 
Whole point of trading Bynum is to win now. Whole point of not getting Kidd and keeping Bynum is to win later. Laker staff and fans see the second comming of Wilt so they hold onto that hope for the future because they know now they cannot make a splash.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>These trades they're discussing are a joke. Any trade with lakers would have to include Bynum and Farmar, and that wouldn't happen. And trade with Cleveland...well, they have Gooden, Brown, and Gibson, and that's not really enough. And then Denver has a bunch of bigs, but no point guard. If anything happens, it'd prolly have to be a three-way trade.</div>

I don't know how this is me considering Kidd to be "untouchable". I mean, with a trade involving Kidd, I'd wanna see a young point guard to be able to replace him in the lineup, and possibly a good big man if we could get away with that.

I'm not all that impressed with the injury-proneness of Denver's big men, and they have no point guards, so I'm not really into that one.

And Cleveland...I'm not really sure, thinking about it. I'm not sure about Gibson, he seems like not that good a defensive player, and it seems like he doesn't like taking control of the team. I'm on the fence with a Cleveland trade, to be honest.

And the Lakers...no. They're not giving up Bynum, and if we don't get him, I don't really like anything else I see on the team to make the centerpiece of a trade.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 23 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I value Kidd as much as the next guy but some fans on here are a little ridiculous with how valuable he is a player...I mean I wouldn't put him on the same level as Shaq or Garnett yet everyone here expects the farm for him. I mean Kidd doesn't score that much and he's 35 years old...you can't take someones whole team for him...he's not Kobe.

A Lakers package should look like this either

Kwame Brown PF
Trevor Ariza SF
Jordon Farmar
Vladimir Radmonivic SF/PF
and either a 1st rounder/Ronny Turiaf.
(I actually think the Lakers would do this...and so would I we'd be solid two deep with all those players for years)</div>

Thank God, a rational Nets fan!

The deal that is being rumored out here is: Kwame, Farmar, Vlad or Luke, and 2 picks (at least one a first).

As a Laker fan, I'd like to keep Vlad because the idea of Kidd kicking it out to him when driving is beautiful. We need Vlad to get healthy, though.
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yeah, so Kidd for Farmar and Luke. do you realize how retarded that is for the Nets?
 
Ronny Turiaf has to be included in any deal, bitches
 

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