Lamarcus Aldridge probably WILL NOT sign extension with Portland.

[KeepOnRollin]

How do you think LA will take it if Olshey and the Blazers tell him, "I know you've made 4 straight all-star games, but we're not giving you the 5 year deal you want because we're saving that for next summer for Damian." Sounds like something he could easily take as an insult.

Damian can't get it (the 5 year deal) unless he is at least 3rd team All NBA next year or starts the All-Star game if my reading in the past is correct. Something to do with the new CBA and limiting contracts. Derrick Rose got it because he was MVP but that is the only other criteria that gives someone it I believe.

There is a thread (buried) that talks some about this. Can't remember the title but I would assume it has to do with giving Damian max once he is eligible.

Edit: Nevermind Cheese says similar (although then again contracting) above. Dame would be a rookie (rookie contract) so one of us is incorrect. Could be me.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dame does not qualify for the Rose deal. He has not been voted to start 2 all star games nor has he been MVP or on two All NBA teams. In addition, the limit to 5 year deals only applies to rookies. We can give Damian and LA both 5 year deals.

Thanks for clearing that up. It makes it much more likely we will be able to retain both players as long as we want to.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

Dame does not qualify for the Rose deal. He has not been voted to start 2 all star games nor has he been MVP or on two All NBA teams. In addition, the limit to 5 year deals only applies to rookies. We can give Damian and LA both 5 year deals.

I can't remember, but has Rose gotten past the 1st round? He's been injured so much, I can never remember what years he's actually played.

 

[Natebishop3]

The big question is whether LA will still be an All-Star in five years. How long do you realistically see him maintaining this level of play? Will he still be a 20 and 10 guy when he's 35? If you think he will be, give him the big money. Who is going to have cap space next summer? Will Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio have the money to offer LA a max deal?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I can't remember, but has Rose gotten past the 1st round? He's been injured so much, I can never remember what years he's actually played.

Yep, made it to the Eastern Conference Finals (3rd round) in 2011, the same year he won the MVP and the Bulls won 62 games.

BNM

 

[cmeese47]

It's not necessarily an either/or situation. We can give him more, without going all the way to max., if he doesn't sign an extension this summer. I have to think there is some middle ground between the two extremes (more than anyone else can give him, but less than the absolute maximum) that would make both parties happy.

I do think (and hope) LaMarcus will age well. He has the type of game that does not rely on lightning quickness or jumping out of the gym. So, I can easily see him playing at an all-star level for another 4 or 5 years. LaMarcus uses his length well, reminds me of Sheed in that way, and look how long Sheed hung around the league.

BNM

Anything more than 4 year 80 million would be tough to swallow IMO. However, because he will be an unrestricted free agent someone will offer him a max level deal and if Portland want to retain him they will need to either match or offer a comparable 5 year deal, either way he will likely be making around 24 million a season on average.

I agree that he does seem like he will age well but stranger things have happened.

I am not suggesting trading LA for scrubs by any means but I am saying if it looks like it is going to take 5 years 127 million to keep him well then it is time to field offers.

 

[PapaG]

The big question is whether LA will still be an All-Star in five years. How long do you realistically see him maintaining this level of play? Will he still be a 20 and 10 guy when he's 35? If you think he will be, give him the big money. Who is going to have cap space next summer? Will Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio have the money to offer LA a max deal?

If he's not, he's a huge expiring contract at age 34, and there are always teams at the trade deadline willing to take on a large expiring contract for their own rebuilding efforts.

 

[Natebishop3]

Anything more than 4 year 80 million would be tough to swallow IMO. However, because he will be an unrestricted free agent someone will offer him a max level deal and if Portland want to retain him they will need to either match or offer a comparable 5 year deal, either way he will likely be making around 24 million a season on average.

I agree that he does seem like he will age well but stranger things have happened.

I am not suggesting trading LA for scrubs by any means but I am saying if it looks like it is going to take 5 years 127 million to keep him well then it is time to field offers.

Dallas will have a lot of cap space in 2015-2016. I guarantee they will make a play for Aldridge.

 

[Strenuus]

Yep, made it to the Eastern Conference Finals (3rd round) in 2011, the same year he won the MVP and the Bulls won 62 games.

BNM

Cool. Thanks! Repped. I just couldn't remember since he seems to never play since that injury in the 1st round a few years ago.

 

[PapaG]

Dallas will have a lot of cap space in 2015-2016. I guarantee they will make a play for Aldridge.

You mean next summer, right? 2015? I'm guessing Dallas misses the playoffs next year, making getting LMA even more unlikely. They have Dirk, who plays LMA's position, and Ellis, who is a high-volume shooting guard moonlighting as a PG. Their bench is ancient. I don't see that at all being attractive to LMA, unless he wants to move to his hometown and be a loser there.

 

[cmeese47]

The big question is whether LA will still be an All-Star in five years. How long do you realistically see him maintaining this level of play? Will he still be a 20 and 10 guy when he's 35? If you think he will be, give him the big money. Who is going to have cap space next summer? Will Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio have the money to offer LA a max deal?

Dallas has only 17 million locked up for that summer so yes they can afford him. Houston will have 39 million locked up so they could also afford him. The Spurs only 8.5 million. Therefore, every team in Texas at this moment will have enough cap room to offer LA a max deal after next season.

 

[cmeese47]

If he's not, he's a huge expiring contract at age 34, and there are always teams at the trade deadline willing to take on a large expiring contract for their own rebuilding efforts.

Yah a 12 million dollar expiring contract not 28.5 million or whatever the number would be.

 

[Natebishop3]

You mean next summer, right? 2015? I'm guessing Dallas misses the playoffs next year, making getting LMA even more unlikely. They have Dirk, who plays LMA's position, and Ellis, who is a high-volume shooting guard moonlighting as a PG. Their bench is ancient. I don't see that at all being attractive to LMA, unless he wants to move to his hometown and be a loser there.

Yes, 2015-2016, which is next summer.

Did I say he would sign there? I said they would make a run at him, which puts us in a position where we have to max him out regardless of what people think.

 

[Strenuus]

Yes, 2015-2016, which is next summer.

Did I say he would sign there? I said they would make a run at him, which puts us in a position where we have to max him out regardless of what people think.

Still begs the question though, since we would have the option of matching the max, would you for LMA?

 

[Natebishop3]

Still begs the question though, since we would have the option of matching the max, would you for LMA?

It's either match/exceed or let him walk for nothing.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, 2015-2016, which is next summer.

I thought next summer was 2014-15. Typically on this board we've used the summer after the season as the year of cap space.

Did I say he would sign there? I said they would make a run at him, which puts us in a position where we have to max him out regardless of what people think.

Calm down. I'm just pointing out that even if Dallas has space, they are only attractive because of location. Portland is set up for more success the next 5 years than either Dallas or San Antonio, and I can't see Houston adding another big to the mix on a huge contract.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Strenuus]

It's either match/exceed or let him walk for nothing.

I know... but $127 mil for one player who will be 30. That's tough.

 

[Natebishop3]

I thought next summer was 2014-15. Typically on this board we've used the summer after the season as the year of cap space.



Calm down. I'm just pointing out that even if Dallas has space, they are only attractive because of location. Portland is set up for more success the next 5 years than either Dallas or San Antonio, and I can't see Houston adding another big to the mix on a huge contract.

The salary cap is based on contracts for the 2015-2016 season, so there's no reason to refer to it as 2014-2015. The Mavs have a ton of cap space for the 2015-2016 season. Not just enough to sign LA, but also another max level player. If Cuban is smart he won't re-sign Dirk to a huge contract. There's a reason why so many of his contracts expire next summer. I think Cuban is targeting next summer as his big rebuild. I don't expect the Mavs to stay at the bottom for long.

 

[PapaG]

I know... but $127 mil for one player who will be 30. That's tough.

Suddenly, the Blazers are the Clippers prior to Chris Paul. Trade away players so you don't have to pay them, get picks or lesser players in return. Repeat every 3-4 years.

 

[Blazer Freak]

How do you think LA will take it if Olshey and the Blazers tell him, "I know you've made 4 straight all-star games, but we're not giving you the 5 year deal you want because we're saving that for next summer for Damian." Sounds like something he could easily take as an insult.

A good point, and one I was going to add to my post. Thankfully, it has been cleared up that we can offer them both 5-year deals.

Dame does not qualify for the Rose deal. He has not been voted to start 2 all star games nor has he been MVP or on two All NBA teams. In addition, the limit to 5 year deals only applies to rookies. We can give Damian and LA both 5 year deals.

There is still plenty of time in Dame's contract for this to potentially happened. Not many of us predicted he would be an All-Star this year. With his first round performance, and particularly his game winner, I think he is in for a big bump in votes next year.

Anything more than 4 year 80 million would be tough to swallow IMO. However, because he will be an unrestricted free agent someone will offer him a max level deal and if Portland want to retain him they will need to either match or offer a comparable 5 year deal, either way he will likely be making around 24 million a season on average.

I agree that he does seem like he will age well but stranger things have happened.

I am not suggesting trading LA for scrubs by any means but I am saying if it looks like it is going to take 5 years 127 million to keep him well then it is time to field offers.

People have to remember that Olshey has seen this coming. Look at our cap figures next off-season. Besides Batum's 11M, Crabbe's 900k is the only other guaranteed salary on the books.

Sorry to disappoint anyone who is looking for big moves this summer, because next summer is when we will likely make any large moves. That off-season will be our last chance with any flexibility to make large and impactful roster moves. After any moves are made, then Olshey will use LA's bird rights to go over the cap to sign him. In reality, the amount LA signs for will mean nothing because we will be over the cap for the forseeable future with LA and Dame on max contracts and either Rolo/Wes at increased salaries or a new player or two on the roster.

LA's next contract really will be a barometer of how much Paul Allen cares about this franchise winning. If he maxes him out at the full 5 year/127M, I think it says a lot about PA's willingness to spend for a winner again because we could easily be back up into the luxury tax.

 

[PapaG]

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[cmeese47]

I thought next summer was 2014-15. Typically on this board we've used the summer after the season as the year of cap space.



Calm down. I'm just pointing out that even if Dallas has space, they are only attractive because of location. Portland is set up for more success the next 5 years than either Dallas or San Antonio, and I can't see Houston adding another big to the mix on a huge contract.

Yah cause LA's mid range style would be a terrible fit for Harden and Howard oh wait.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just because that 5 year/127M contract is the max they can give him doesn't mean they are actually going to do it...not sure why everyone is freaking out and saying TRADE.

You also have to remember, the CBA allows for only 1 5-year contract per team now, and if the Blazers are smart--that deal will go to Lillard. Dame will likely get the D-Rose Super Max deal which goes about 5 years/95M if I am correct and the Blazers and LA will likely settle around 4 years/90M.

Get off this "Trading LA" idea people, if you see how things have gone with LA recently and the way Olshey talked in the Exit interviews, the guy is here for the long haul.

I figure LMA would prefer a 4x $10M contract to a 3x $10M extension.

 

[PapaG]

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Huh? What was my personal attack, NB3?

 

[cmeese47]

I figure LMA would prefer a 4x $10M contract to a 3x $10M extension.

Yah sign him for 10M of course if that happens he would need to fire his agent and go back to school because he would be one of the dumbest people ever.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yah sign him for 10M of course if that happens he would need to fire his agent and go back to school because he would be one of the dumbest people ever.

I say we offer him the vet minimum. Do we really want to tie up $40 million in our franchise player who turns 30 this summer? That contract would be an albatross around the organizations neck for, well... never. If Olshey got LaMarcus to reup for 4 years at $10 million per, he'd better enjoy his Executive of the Year award, because he'd also be going to jail for highway robbery.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

I say we offer him the vet minimum. Do we really want to tie up $40 million in our franchise player who turns 30 this summer? That contract would be an albatross around the organizations neck for, well... never. If Olshey got LaMarcus to reup for 4 years at $10 million per, he'd better enjoy his Executive of the Year award, because he'd also be going to jail for highway robbery.

BNM

I say ask Lillard what he wants, and let him be the GM of the team. Because that always works out well. Or trade LMA for Love, since I'm sure Love would re-sign in Portland for much cheaper than LMA.

 

[Schilly]

Yah sign him for 10M of course if that happens he would need to fire his agent and go back to school because he would be one of the dumbest people ever.

Pretty Sure the yearly dollar figure wasn't the point.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yah sign him for 10M of course if that happens he would need to fire his agent and go back to school because he would be one of the dumbest people ever.

He may not get MAX money this time around. The CBA is pretty harsh about the taxes.

Substitute $12M for $10M, or whatever makes you feel better. No matter how you look at it, the extra year (4 vs. 3) is reason for him to become a FA and re-sign.