OT LeBron James said Kyle Rittenhouse should 'knock it off' after the teen cried during murder trial

[SlyPokerDog]

Prosecution was a trainwreck from the start.

I haven't seen any of the trial.

 

[STOMP]

I haven't seen any of the trial.

Defense has argued in closing that the jury shouldn't believe DNA evidence, photographic evidence, police or eyewitness testimony that contradicts Kyle's accounts of that evening. On the stand Kyle has been shown to have been lying about a multitude of things from being there as an EMT (he isn't), that he'd been asked to protect private property (he hadn't) & what he stated to police about his first victim Joseph Rosenbaum pointing a gun at him (Rosenbaum didn't have a gun). According to many legal analysts, the judge in this case has been obviously biased consistently going out of his way to give the Defense favorable rulings and conversely dressing down the prosecution. While anyone else would be removed from the courtroom for not having their phone on mute, the judge's has gone off several times... his ringtone is Trump's rally anthem. Also his mishandling of jury instructions is thought to have given the Defense clear grounds for appeal.

https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rit...sha-homicide-27ee8ac1c1672507bc5d147f85330a21

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[Phatguysrule]

I stand by my original statement. America is fucking stupid with its gun obsession. I’ll take my chances with bare hands, bats and hammers. And my family’s.

You're more than welcome to do exactly that.

It doesn't change the fact that the gun debate is just a designed distraction from the real problems. Every bit of time our politicians spend on the gun debate is valuable time wasted.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Good points but I would also mention that as long ad we allow drugs easily into our country and a breakdown of the family can contribute to problems with crime and illegal use of guns.
The whole drug issue is swept under the carpet in allowing cartels to poison our kids, and many families have been destroyed because of it.
Deal with illegal drugs and we help humanity.

I see what you're saying, but really if you look at the root of the problems, drugs are only a problem because they are illegal (making them far more valuable), lack of care, and a poor gini coefficient.

Solve those problems and you solve both the drug problem and the gun problem.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How'd you get your woman to carry? Tried that with mine and she would have none of it even though she enjoys shooting at the range and is a good shot.

We used to walk the eastbank esplanade after dark. She worked downtown and I commuted through to pick her up on the way home. So we'd take a 3 mile walk every day.

Eventually she just asked about it, so we got her a permit.

 

[calvin natt]

You're more than welcome to do exactly that.

It doesn't change the fact that the gun debate is just a designed distraction from the real problems. Every bit of time our politicians spend on the gun debate is valuable time wasted.

The fact that a kid can easily get a gun from mommy and waltz down the street and kill people and we are actually wondering if he’s in trouble or not is batshit. That cowards in masks and bullet proof vests stand in their adorable lineup in Capitol buildings is fucking ridiculous. Because of some dumbass amendment from centuries ago. It’s all so goddamn dumb whenever I even think about it or see it I get furious and so frustrated. I don’t believe the best route is “oh well the guns are out there nothing we can do about it might as well go get some for myself”. It’s stupid. All of it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The fact that a kid can easily get a gun from mommy and waltz down the street and kill people and we are actually wondering if he’s in trouble or not is batshit. That cowards in masks and bullet proof vests stand in their adorable lineup in Capitol buildings is fucking ridiculous. Because of some dumbass amendment from centuries ago. It’s all so goddamn dumb whenever I even think about it or see it I get furious and so frustrated. I don’t believe the best route is “oh well the guns are out there nothing we can do about it might as well go get some for myself”. It’s stupid. All of it.

If a person is attacked I believe they have the right to defend themselves.

People should not be attacking other people.

If they attacked him I believe he was well within his rights to kill them. I wouldn't want that changed.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So bear spray and whistles are not strong enough protection for your wife because of mass shootings situations...



......But also mass shootings are not really a big enough deal to really worry about?

No, I actually listed several reasons, and one which I even stated was the most important.

But thanks for trying to confuse what I actually said.

If a solution solves multiple issues they are seen as an additional reason to use that solution. But that doesn't mean I want congress wasting 1 second of their time addressing that easily solved problem.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I haven't seen any of the trial.

Neither have I. Didn't think it was that big of a deal.

 

[calvin natt]

If a person is attacked I believe they have the right to defend themselves.

People should not be attacking other people.

If they attacked him I believe he was well within his rights to kill them. I wouldn't want that changed.

I have trouble saying someone was just using self defense when they were looking for trouble, which he was. If I go with my AR15 or whatever the hell he had and am roaming the streets during a protest, and then get confronted and end up killing people, that’s not self defense. You asked for it, you got it, and you now want to hide behind your gun using a self defense excuse? Nope

 

[Phatguysrule]

I have trouble saying someone was just using self defense when they were looking for trouble, which he was. If I go with my AR15 or whatever the hell he had and am roaming the streets during a protest, and then get confronted and end up killing people, that’s not self defense. You asked for it, you got it, and you now want to hide behind your gun using a self defense excuse? Nope

Yeah I don't disagree... Sounds like a great way to get into trouble.

On the other hand, charging that kind of person seems pretty stupid as well.

Stupid people do stupid shit. And pay stupid penalties. But he was a kid, and he was attacked. He'll get a lot of latitude.

 

[Lanny]

In 2021 there have been 39 people killed in the USA in mass shootings. Last year it was 9.
A total of 996 victims were fatally injured during mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and May 26, 2021.

That's an average of around 26 deaths per year.

We average nearly 1200 bludgeoning deaths per year (hands, feet, bats, blunt objects). Significantly more deaths every year than the last 40 years of mass shootings combined...

I submit that mass shootings are incredibly low on the list of what I want our leaders spending time on. There are far more important things they should be focused on.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

I learned in a quality control class I took at Tektronix that you always start with the low hanging fruit.

 

[Lanny]

I have trouble saying someone was just using self defense when they were looking for trouble, which he was. If I go with my AR15 or whatever the hell he had and am roaming the streets during a protest, and then get confronted and end up killing people, that’s not self defense. You asked for it, you got it, and you now want to hide behind your gun using a self defense excuse? Nope

Assault:
"a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension (see apprehension sense 1) of such harm or contact "
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault

 

[Phatguysrule]

I learned in a quality control class I took at Tektronix that you always start with the low hanging fruit.

I agree with the lesson, I just don't understand how gun rights are low hanging fruit...

Talk about a nightmare.

It would be impossible to remove 400 million guns from Americans. It would take decades and be incredibly expensive. And the data shows us it wouldn't even save many lives.

Addressing our poor gini coefficient is the low hanging fruit. Far more bang for the buck, and less opposition.

 

[Chris Craig]

If he gets off which he probably will he will become a hero to the right. More young punks like him, not to mention the far right groups already going to the protests to intimidate protestors will feel emboldened to shoot protestors because they know they can get away with it.

There will be probably be protests when he is not found guilty there in Kenosha. Will Rittenhouse grab his gun and go out there? "Protect some more businesses?"

 

[Hoopguru]

I see what you're saying, but really if you look at the root of the problems, drugs are only a problem because they are illegal (making them far more valuable), lack of care, and a poor gini coefficient.

Solve those problems and you solve both the drug problem and the gun problem.

Im all for certain drug legalization, but if you legalize meth & heroine good kids will become addicts and mentally handicapped, big time.

 

[jonnyboy]

If he gets off which he probably will he will become a hero to the right. More young punks like him, not to mention the far right groups already going to the protests to intimidate protestors will feel emboldened to shoot protestors because they know they can get away with it.

There will be probably be protests when he is not found guilty there in Kenosha. Will Rittenhouse grab his gun and go out there? "Protect some more businesses?"

You’re just patching together a scenario to fit your narrative. Two of the three people he shot were armed and had pointed weapons before he did. The third was assaulting him with a skateboard.
Yes, we all know it’s stupid to show up to a riot (no, it wasn’t a ‘protest’) with a gun, one reason being because you might get shot. Same goes for him if he would’ve been the first one to point a gun. He didn’t just stroll up and start blasting people holding BLM signs though, like you’re trying to make it sound like.

 

[calvin natt]

I don’t think we ever can or should even really try to “remove” the hundreds of millions of guns from the country. Can’t happen. Which is why instead we make and enforce very strict, very clear laws around gun ownership, use, storage, education, carry, and so on. Go ahead, keep your guns. Fine. But even a hint that it’s being used for anything other than defending your home/family or hunting and we get to hang you by your balls in town square. Deal?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don’t think we ever can or should even really try to “remove” the hundreds of millions of guns from the country. Can’t happen. Which is why instead we make and enforce very strict, very clear laws around gun ownership, use, storage, education, carry, and so on. Go ahead, keep your guns. Fine. But even a hint that it’s being used for anything other than defending your home/family or hunting and we get to hang you by your balls in town square. Deal?

Mandatory minimum sentences would be a great start for any illegal gun possession.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Im all for certain drug legalization, but if you legalize meth & heroine good kids will become addicts and mentally handicapped, big time.

I don't think you legalize those... More decriminalize.

What we're doing is certainly not working.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Im just gonna say there are some seriously one sided baaaaaad takes in this thread…

 

[Orion Bailey]

The fact that a kid can easily get a gun from mommy and waltz down the street and kill people and we are actually wondering if he’s in trouble or not is batshit. That cowards in masks and bullet proof vests stand in their adorable lineup in Capitol buildings is fucking ridiculous. Because of some dumbass amendment from centuries ago. It’s all so goddamn dumb whenever I even think about it or see it I get furious and so frustrated. I don’t believe the best route is “oh well the guns are out there nothing we can do about it might as well go get some for myself”. It’s stupid. All of it.

centuries is only a blip in the whole scheme of things… those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
The amendment is there and STILL there for a good reason…

 

[Chris Craig]

centuries is only a blip in the whole scheme of things… those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
The amendment is there and STILL there for a good reason…

A lot of good it's done

 

[Orion Bailey]

A lot of good it's done

says you. How do know it has not avoided the very purpose of the amendment?

its really pretty simple.
Take guns away.
Only criminals then have guns.
I know thats not what i want.

 

[Orion Bailey]

A lot of good it's done

actually has done alot of good.
Quick google search reveals many stories like this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...sc5czxduukrgm7oi6ky-story.html?outputType=amp

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Rittenhouse: shoots multiple people with an illegally purchased firearm and will likely walk free.
Former Blazer Telfair : likely headed to jail for just owning a gun.

2nd amendment advocates don't even see why that might be an issue. Tell me again how white privilege doesn't exist!

 

[Chris Craig]

actually has done alot of good.
Quick google search reveals many stories like this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...sc5czxduukrgm7oi6ky-story.html?outputType=amp

More have died because of it then lived.

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's merits

I saying initially it was written because the people were the militia. If there was a war, every dude went and joined.

Now there is an actual military, so it doesn't mean the same as what the founders intended it for.

And, now it is terribly abused. The right to bear arms. There are a lot of responsible people out there and I appreciate that. But, guns have become a terrible problem. The death rate from getting shot has gone up dramatically year after year.

 

[barfo]

its really pretty simple.
Take meth away.
Only criminals then have meth.
I know thats not what i want.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don’t think we ever can or should even really try to “remove” the hundreds of millions of guns from the country. Can’t happen. Which is why instead we make and enforce very strict, very clear laws around gun ownership, use, storage, education, carry, and so on. Go ahead, keep your guns. Fine. But even a hint that it’s being used for anything other than defending your home/family or hunting and we get to hang you by your balls in town square. Deal?

Yeah, I agree to a point. Obviously recreation should also legal and virtually unregulated out of city limits.

I don't agree that we can or should assume a person's intent without very compelling evidence, just because they used a gun.

 

[Orion Bailey]

More have died because of it then lived.

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's merits

I saying initially it was written because the people were the militia. If there was a war, every dude went and joined.

Now there is an actual military, so it doesn't mean the same as what the founders intended it for.

And, now it is terribly abused. The right to bear arms. There are a lot of responsible people out there and I appreciate that. But, guns have become a terrible problem. The death rate from getting shot has gone up dramatically year after year.

actually it was written for the people to be able to rise up against a tyrannical, oppressive ruler.
Our militia is controlled by the government. So there is nothing for the people to defend themselves against a bad government, ESPECIALLy if it has a large militia.

its really pretty simple.
Take meth away.
Only criminals then have meth.
I know thats not what i want.

barfo

and you wonder why i have issues taking you seriously….