OT LeBron James said Kyle Rittenhouse should 'knock it off' after the teen cried during murder trial (1 Viewer)

[Chris Craig]

Good point. But why was the gun illegal? What was illegal about it?

It was loaded. In his truck. That's it.

NYs gun laws are far too strict, and that's why I use it as an example. In fact, that overreach is going to end up getting the Supreme Court to expand gun rights.

Because of his prior convictions/run ins maybe? Was it properly registered? Did he have a permit? Is it legal to transport such weapons in your car?

 

[Phatguysrule]

And I think maybe that was what @barfo was getting at. Just because you outlaw it, doesn't mean good people aren't going to do it. Do they become outlaws? Maybe?

Yes. They become outlaws if guns are illegal. And many people, including police, would die in the effort to collect those guns.
1/3 of the population live in a household with guns. Legally purchased guns are rarely used in gun crimes.

Restricting guns isn't going to change a thing except raise more money for government and fill prison cells.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Because of his prior convictions/run ins maybe? Was it properly registered? Did he have a permit? Is it legal to transport such weapons in your car?

All I've seen is just that it was loaded.

Criminal possession of a firearm in the second degree. He's never hurt anybody with a gun, but he's had a ton of legal trouble for simply having guns.

The guy is an idiot. But he's never hurt anybody. And he's nearly had his life ruined over having guns. And he's a millionaire. A poor person would have been in jail most of his adult life.

That's not right.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It would probably help to read it all when I'm not exhausted from a long day of work.

that was all in fun mocking myself.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes. They become outlaws if guns are illegal. And many people, including police, would die in the effort to collect those guns.
1/3 of the population live in a household with guns. Legally purchased guns are rarely used in gun crimes.

Restricting guns isn't going to change a thing except raise more money for government and fill prison cells.

So, just take all of the guns out of the hands of bad people. Sounds easy, but it's not. Maybe instead of sending these bad people to prison we can just take their guns and wave a finger at them and tell them never to get a gun illegally again lol.

But, really, adding restrictions will help stop some people from getting guns, like persons who are mentally ill to a degree that they pose a danger to themselves or others.

More restrictions will likely mean fuller prisons. More money for the government means more money for the people...tax kickers baby!

But, is it really feasible to in and take all the guns bad people have? We can't know who all the bad people are. Where they are at? They can just get new guns.

Bad people who have criminal histories? Felons? They shouldn't have guns, but it's hard to stop them. There are other ways than gun shops to get guns.

Gun shops should have stricter background checks though. That could help some. Sure, people would be unconvinced, but at least you have a better idea that your not selling a gun to someone who is about to use it to kill.

Gun shows. Many have no background checks. That needs to change. People can go out of state and buy guns. That needs to change.

 

[Chris Craig]

All I've seen is just that it was loaded.

Criminal possession of a firearm in the second degree. He's never hurt anybody with a gun, but he's had a ton of legal trouble for simply having guns.

The guy is an idiot. But he's never hurt anybody. And he's nearly had his life ruined over having guns. And he's a millionaire. A poor person would have been in jail most of his adult life.

That's not right.

Well if he continuously got caught with unregistered guns that's on him. He could have went and registered his gun. Why didn't he? Why didn't he get a permit. He has no excuse. But, I guess the idea is if your rich and famous it's the cool thing to ride around with an unlicensed gun in your car.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Other than when I was working security for a club, I have never called or felt the need to call the police. Just wasn't raised to ask for help like that.

Me neither. Never been one to go tattle. Just deal with shit head on, straight up. That being said, there are times i would call the cops. Just have never encountered them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So, just take all of the guns out of the hands of bad people. Sounds easy, but it's not. Maybe instead of sending these bad people to prison we can just take their guns and wave a finger at them and tell them never to get a gun illegally again lol.

But, really, adding restrictions will help stop some people from getting guns, like persons who are mentally ill to a degree that they pose a danger to themselves or others.

More restrictions will likely mean fuller prisons. More money for the government means more money for the people...tax kickers baby!

But, is it really feasible to in and take all the guns bad people have? We can't know who all the bad people are. Where they are at? They can just get new guns.

Bad people who have criminal histories? Felons? They shouldn't have guns, but it's hard to stop them. There are other ways than gun shops to get guns.

Gun shops should have stricter background checks though. That could help some. Sure, people would be unconvinced, but at least you have a better idea that your not selling a gun to someone who is about to use it to kill.

Gun shows. Many have no background checks. That needs to change. People can go out of state and buy guns. That needs to change.

bullets have no rights. We could try mandates on bullet production and sales.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes. They become outlaws if guns are illegal. And many people, including police, would die in the effort to collect those guns.
1/3 of the population live in a household with guns. Legally purchased guns are rarely used in gun crimes.

Restricting guns isn't going to change a thing except raise more money for government and fill prison cells.

and empower illegal gun owning criminals to feel unstoppable.

 

[Chris Craig]

bullets have no rights. We could try mandates on bullet production and sales.

Bullets are made for one reason. To kill. That is their sole purpose...well and I guess practicing to kill.

 

[Chris Craig]

and empower illegal gun owning criminals to feel unstoppable.

They already feel unstoppable

 

[Orion Bailey]

They already feel unstoppable

can you imagine how they would feel if they knew every one of their potential victims will not have a gun?

 

[Chris Craig]

can you imagine how they would feel if they knew every one of their potential victims will not have a gun?

I get that.

Just saying guns already make these people feel unstoppable. They believe these guns are power. That is their downfall.

 

[Chris Craig]

Rittenhouse jury concluded deliberations for the day, failed to reach a verdict yet. Will deliberate again tomorrow.

A bad sign for Rittenhouse?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Well if he continuously got caught with unregistered guns that's on him. He could have went and registered his gun. Why didn't he? Why didn't he get a permit. He has no excuse. But, I guess the idea is if your rich and famous it's the cool thing to ride around with an unlicensed gun in your car.

Were they unregistered? None of my guns are registered... Did he not have a permit? I haven't seen anything about a permit. I don't support requiring a permit to own a gun.

 

[Chris Craig]

Were they unregistered? None of my guns are registered... Did he not have a permit? I haven't seen anything about a permit. I don't support requiring a permit to own a gun.

They were illegal somehow it wouldn't have been an issue.

He could have easily registered it or got a permit if that's the case.

A permit is really just a document affirming you will be responsible with the gun and not do stupid shit with it. Well, that an a money maker.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I get that.

Just saying guns already make these people feel unstoppable. They believe these guns are power. That is their downfall.

Taking the guns out of the victims’ hands would validify that belief.
Most criminals will go for the least confrontation possible and will turn down one potential victim for another if they think one is armed and one is not.
That hesitation goes out the window if guns are banned.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Were they unregistered? None of my guns are registered... Did he not have a permit? I haven't seen anything about a permit. I don't support requiring a permit to own a gun.

Are you against registering and permitting guns because you think the costs outweigh the benefits?

 

[Orion Bailey]

There is a point that should probably be brought up.
For what its worth, it seems most mass murder spree nuts(vegas) are legal gun owners. A gun ban would help in those scenarios.
But they are actually a tiny percentage of the overall annual gun murder rate.

 

[Chris Craig]

There is a point that should probably be brought up.
For what its worth, it seems most mass murder spree nuts(vegas) are legal gun owners. A gun ban would help in those scenarios.
But they are actually a tiny percentage of the overall annual gun murder rate.

Was that dudes guns and ammo all legal?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Was that dudes guns and ammo all legal?

i think so? I believe they found an arsenal but im pretty sure he had never been convicted of a crime.
I mean define legal? Cant i walk into a gun shop and buy ammo without anything? So wouldn't that be legal? Or are you meaning he was using banned assault rifles or something?

And if thats the case, thats an argument that banning some weapons is pointless as well?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Are you against registering and permitting guns because you think the costs outweigh the benefits?

Mainly because it's not necessary. You don't need that. All you need to do is restrict violent people and make it easy for everybody else to avoid helping them.

I would fully support a $500 tax credit for passing a gun safety course.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They were illegal somehow it wouldn't have been an issue.

He could have easily registered it or got a permit if that's the case.

A permit is really just a document affirming you will be responsible with the gun and not do stupid shit with it. Well, that an a money maker.

Yeah, he's stupid. I get it. But poor people are being held to that same standard. And it's much more restrictive to the less fortunate.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Was that dudes guns and ammo all legal?

Yes they were. He made sure of it. He was a millionaire who could have just modified his guns to full auto, but he chose to use bump stocks instead, presumably so that he was using all legal hardware.

 

[Phatguysrule]

There is a point that should probably be brought up.
For what its worth, it seems most mass murder spree nuts(vegas) are legal gun owners. A gun ban would help in those scenarios.
But they are actually a tiny percentage of the overall annual gun murder rate.

I really don't think gun bans would help. These people were usually motivated and would have just done what it took to get a gun. If guns were banned the black market would be flooded.

 

[STOMP]

The 2nd amendment isn't the problem, it's the money from the gun lobbyist distorting it's meaning and our laws surrounding it. Kyle Rittenhouse in not in any way shape or form part of a well regulated militia.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The 2nd amendment isn't the problem, it's the money from the gun lobbyist distorting it's meaning and our laws surrounding it. Kyle Rittenhouse in not in any way shape or form part of a well regulated militia.

I'm not even sure it's the money from gun lobbyists, more that the members of the NRA vote however the NRA says they should.

 

[barfo]

Mainly because it's not necessary. You don't need that. All you need to do is restrict violent people and make it easy for everybody else to avoid helping them.

How do you do that without a permitting process?

I would fully support a $500 tax credit for passing a gun safety course.

Driver safety course might be an even better use of the tax credits.

barfo

 

[calvin natt]

Bottom line. More laws and regulations for all gun owners. For criminals who don’t follow laws and rules anyway, the punishment needs to be so severe even the biggest dolts will reconsider. Like 1 strike and done. Wasn’t Rittenhouse 17 when this happened? How is this even a discussion? Kids get guns now? Cool cool.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How do you do that without a permitting process?

You put a weapons restriction on anybody who should be restricted (felons, violent offenders, etc). You mark their state ID.
Anybody caught supplying, selling, lending, or providing weapons to these people get a huge fine, jail time, and their very own weapons restriction. Yay!

Driver safety course might be an even better use of the tax credits.

barfo

Sure, let's do it. Make it both.