Let us readdress this issue shall we? Nate McDillon :fail:

[BGrantFan]

That's an awesomely factless conclusion

It was basically the opposite of what I posted. I'll have to remember not to use nuance on this board. I guess I need to be more blunt.

 

[OddEnormous]

Woah, you're using facts, something you are against others using. This must be a trick!

Yes finishing 4th or 5th is not debatable. You finish 4th or 5th or not.

Using a formula that doesn't account for defense, leadership etc is flawed from top to bottom.

the 15th best player in the NBA is debatable. Who finishes 9th is not.

Are you getting it yet?

Are you?

Are you?

Are you?

 

[OddEnormous]

It was basically the opposite of what I posted. I'll have to remember not to use nuance on this board. I guess I need to be more blunt.

We've got to be close to 20 posts now.

"Hilarious David"

 

[DaRizzle]

 

[Tince]

Yes finishing 4th or 5th is not debatable. You finish 4th or 5th or not.

Using a formula that doesn't account for defense, leadership etc is flawed from top to bottom.

the 15th best player in the NBA is debatable. Who finishes 9th is not.

Are you getting it yet?

Are you?

Are you?

Are you?

I got you a long time ago.

Since we're throwing out facts:

Portland tied for the 5th best record in the league last year, with one of the youngest teams in the history of league, under coach McMillan.

 

[OddEnormous]

I got you a long time ago.

Since we're throwing out facts:

Portland tied for the 5th best record in the league last year, with one of the youngest teams in the history of league, under coach McMillan.

Good idea changing the subject.


How'd we do in the playoffs?

 

[OddEnormous]

That's a little too energetic for Nate's theme.

Got anything else?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Where did I type "Nate"?

I'm guessing Roy respects Nate in part because he doesn't treat them like children, which you suggested in your "firm-handed Daddy" post. I used you as the coach since you seem to think the coach needs to put the players in their place, and I think that a coach who tried the "firm-handed Daddy" approach wouldn't be long for any team, let alone a playoff team.

How long have you been watching the NBA?

Longer than most posters in this forum have been alive.

Look, if you don't think part of the coaches' job involves discipline, so be it. If you think Roy is "entitled" to pout over Miller, or Oden playing a bigger role on the team, nothing I can say will change your mind.

 

[BGrantFan]

Longer than most posters in this forum have been alive.

Look, if you don't think part of the coaches' job involves discipline, so be it.

I never posted that. I did post that the "firm-handed Daddy" approach seems foolish when dealing with adult millionaires.

If you think Roy is "entitled" to pout over Miller, or Oden playing a bigger role on the team, nothing I can say will change your mind.

Again, I never posted that Roy is "entitled" to pout. Did he pout? Yes. Did it impact the team? I don't know. Did he get over it without by being a professional, instead of being a child spanked by Daddy Nate? Yes.

Just because I think your analogy is ridiculous doesn't mean I advocate a laissez-faire approach to coaching, or even players whining about their roles.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That's an awesomely factless conclusion

Having a little trouble with reading comprehension? HE was the one who painted a picture of Roy telling his coach to fuck off. I was responding to HIS scenario.

 

[BGrantFan]

Having a little trouble with reading comprehension? HE was the one who painted a picture of Roy telling his coach to fuck off. I was responding to HIS scenario.

He was telling YOU to fuck off. At least the "firm-handed Daddy" YOU. Conceptualize less.

 

[OddEnormous]

It is. They're awesome. They build character. I'm glad you finally get it.

That is a shockingly ridiculous post.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I never posted that. I did post that the "firm-handed Daddy" approach seems foolish when dealing with adult millionaires.



Again, I never posted that Roy is "entitled" to pout. Did he pout? Yes. Did it impact the team? I don't know. Did he get over it without by being a professional, instead of being a child spanked by Daddy Nate? Yes.

Just because I think your analogy is ridiculous doesn't mean I advocate a laissez-faire approach to coaching, or even players whining about their roles.

So, we agree that Roy was behaving in an unprofessional manner to start the season. So what exactly is the disagreement - whether the coaching staff has any responsibility for that?

 

[TripTango]

When I was a kid I had a toy porsche that turned into a robot.

 

[BGrantFan]

So, we agree that Roy was behaving in an unprofessional manner to start the season. So what exactly is the disagreement - whether the coaching staff has any responsibility for that?

I never said that. How do you define "unprofessional manner"? Perhaps he should have just not talked to the media about how hard he was finding it to adjust his game?

Your "unprofessional" comment tells me all I need to know about why you posted what you posted. Good day, sir.

 

[OddEnormous]

I never said that. How do you define "unprofessional manner"? Perhaps he should have just not talked to the media about how hard he was finding it to adjust his game?

Your "unprofessional" comment tells me all I need to know about why you posted what you posted. Good day, sir.

You don't actually ever have any opinions of your own do you? you just argue over semantics and who said what.

You never actually say anything do you David?

Once you respond to me you will hit the 20 post mark in this thread. I find that "hilarious" don't you?

 

[TripTango]

But then, through the magic of good coaching...

In conclusion, we need to hire Baron Von Joy to be our next head coach.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I never said that. How do you define "unprofessional manner"? Perhaps he should have just not talked to the media about how hard he was finding it to adjust his game?

Your "unprofessional" comment tells me all I need to know about why you posted what you posted. Good day, sir.

You yourself described Roy as "pouting"....but you are offended that I term pouting unprofessional.

What the hell????

 

[Tince]

Good idea changing the subject.


How'd we do in the playoffs?

The subject is Nate being a good coach, not a coach who can lead one of the youngest teams in the league to the 2nd round. To answer your question, Nate did ok last year in the playoffs; a lot better than some of the players.

Since you have moving criteria on what a good coach entails, I probably shouldn't ask for the criteria you use. I know that really puts you on the spot though, and that is against the rules when we have a discussion.

 

[OddEnormous]

Since you have moving criteria on what a good coach entails, I probably shouldn't ask for the criteria you use. I know that really puts you on the spot though, and that is against the rules when we have a discussion.

You are so full of shit I can smell you through my keyboard. What moving criteria? What rules?

The guy has never done anything in 11 years of coaching in the NBA, but I'm supposed to believe that someday he's going to win Portland a championship?

Why? Because he's an assistant for the US?... Because he might finish 3rd in COTY?... Because some column writer in the Sacramento Bee thinks he's a great "young*" coach?

*11 years is young you know. Hasn't had a chance yet has he?

Awaiting your typical list of excuses. Injuries, he's never had a good team, new players, trades etc, etc, etc.

Either you do or you don't. At this point at the very best, he's a maybe.

That's all he is...

He's just a maybe.

Lenny Wilkins won 47,000 regular season games. Who gives a fuck?

 

[Minstrel]

That is a shockingly ridiculous post.

Neat story.

If you don't understand why fourth and fifth place finishes in the division are better than NBA titles, you clearly don't watch the games.

 

[rocketeer]

Good idea changing the subject.

How'd we do in the playoffs?

is being the 3rd best team in the west but losing to the 2nd best team in the west in the first round really that terrible of a thing?

 

[jlprk]

Roy was just off the IR when Portland traded for Camby...Since then they are 15-4 (or 0.789)... thats a pretty kick ass 2nd gear...Just a short while ago posters were assuring us that KP would never make a mid-season trade of significance & also that he was too close to his guys to ever move them... were you one of those savants?

I won't consider the Camby trade significant unless he signs with us. A 2-month rental in exchange for 2 of our top 7 players would not be a feather in Pritchard's cap. It would just be a forgettable dump of contracts expiring only 2 months later.

And by McMillan driving only in 2nd gear, I didn't mean a low number of wins. I meant the lack of a fast break offense and the lack of a defense against the fast break.

btw, he isn't unemployed as he's a regular on TNT and NBA TV which is a pretty cushy gig.

McHale's making way less than 5% of what he was paid as Coach or GM. Probably way less than $100K per season for a very few appearances vs. maybe $2M.

 

[KingSpeed]

Nate should be giving them fucking hand jobs and whispering "Thank you" into their ears when he's done.

How do you know he's not?

 

[KingSpeed]

Lenny Wilkins won 47,000 regular season games. Who gives a fuck?

Didn't he win a title for Seattle?

 

[STOMP]

l:

I won't consider the Camby trade significant unless he signs with us. A 2-month rental in exchange for 2 of our top 7 players would not be a feather in Pritchard's cap. It would just be a forgettable dump of contracts expiring only 2 months later.

by the way you are dancing around my question I'm going to take it you were one of the many who were popping off about what KP will/won't do and then shown to be dead wrong. Your speculations on him being somehow threatened by adding a potential big name coach like McHale are baseless but whatever... anyone can hold whatever opinion they want.

And by McMillan driving only in 2nd gear, I didn't mean a low number of wins. I meant the lack of a fast break offense and the lack of a defense against the fast break.

silly me. When you were mentioning Nate being a good coach for a team needing to get up to a 0.550 winning percentage I thought you were talking about wins. Now that they've won 80% of their last 20 games clearly Nate is ham handed greasy mechanic holding them back

McHale's making way less than 5% of what he was paid as Coach or GM. Probably way less than $100K per season for a very few appearances vs. maybe $2M.

You know what analysts make how exactly? Besides, he's probably making way more then 100k yearly in interest off his career earnings... I really doubt he's hurting for bank. If McHale wants back into the league it will be as a coach and only a coach. His record as a GM shows him getting fleeced time and again. I'd put the chances of an owner handing him the reigns of their franchise about the same as Elgin Baylor's.

STOMP

 

[BGrantFan]

I won't consider the Camby trade significant unless he signs with us.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the actual facts since the trade show that it positively impacted our season. Thanks for again sharing your own personal thoughts.

 

[mook]

I won't consider the Camby trade significant unless he signs with us. A 2-month rental in exchange for 2 of our top 7 players would not be a feather in Pritchard's cap. It would just be a forgettable dump of contracts expiring only 2 months later.

Wait. What? You do realize Blake and Outlaw were expiring as well, right? And that there's a decent chance we get Blake back this summer anyway? And that we were completely out of the running to even have the opportunity to land Camby this summer before the trade?

Camby is now (at worst) the 4th best player on the team (I'd put him in a tie between him and Miller at 3rd, but whatever). So we traded our 6th and 7th best two-month-rental players for a high quality two-month-rental starting center.

A guy without whom we might be missing the playoffs.

That trade was an immediate success, and continues to be. Our ability to re-sign Camby and possibly add Blake back this summer will certainly augment that success. But it's a nice win if it only results in a two-month rental.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: l:

by the way you are dancing around my question I'm going to take it you were one of the many who were popping off about what KP will/won't do and then shown to be dead wrong.

Hold on now. Who is calling McHale a big-name coach? I know those aren't your words, but McHale was 39-55 as a head coach and has never coached a game in the playoffs. How can anybody be taken seriously when the advance Kevin McHale as some sort of huge upgrade as a coach. McHale was known to be a lazy player; how the hell does he have the intensity to coach? [/QUOTE]

 

[STOMP]

Re: l:

Hold on now. Who is calling McHale a big-name coach? I know those aren't your words, but McHale was 39-55 as a head coach and has never coached a game in the playoffs. How can anybody be taken seriously when the advance Kevin McHale as some sort of huge upgrade as a coach. McHale was known to be a lazy player; how the hell does he have the intensity to coach?

jlprk stated that KP... "will never hire a former GM as Coach to become a possible rival. It would have to come from above him."

McHale is a big name and we are discussing him potentially being the next Blazer coach. We both like that idea but we disagree about KP somehow being threatened by him

STOMP