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I know it's been a while since I've been here, but, like, S2, are you okay? Yeah man, you have the freedom to disagree. I'm not here to dox you or anything. It's cool. No worries.

I'm curious to hear about why you think the Democrats are actually the best choice to prevent a global climate catastrophe, if you're up for talking it through. I'm just not seeing it at all.
I think the thought is one side seems to acknowledge it while the other doesn't really want to talk about it. So usually the side willing to talk about a problem is more likely to solve a problem then the group who doesn't want to talk about it.
 
I know it's been a while since I've been here, but, like, S2, are you okay? Yeah man, you have the freedom to disagree. I'm not here to dox you or anything. It's cool. No worries.

I'm curious to hear about why you think the Democrats are actually the best choice to prevent a global climate catastrophe, if you're up for talking it through. I'm just not seeing it at all.
I'm fine. There isn't a ghost of a chance of any kind of fire in Lake Oswego.
I see there as being two realistic choices, Republican or Democrat. Republicans don't believe in man made climate change and do no have it in their platform. Democrats do believe in man made climate change and do have it in their platform. Who you gonna choose? All this assumes that no third party stands a ghost of a chance which is rock solid true.
 
Surrender accepted!

Like I said several posts ago, you got conned into thinking 'drain the swamp' actually meant something. And now after 3.5 years there has been no swamp draining, and a whole mess of swamp filling, and you have no argument to present at all.

barfo

whatever you say kingspin.
Anyhow maybe my house will burn, ill lose internet and you wont have to deal with me anymore!!!
 
whatever you say kingspin.
Anyhow maybe my house will burn, ill lose internet and you wont have to deal with me anymore!!!
Don't even joke about your house burning down. If your home were threatened I'll bet every one of us would rush to your aid. At least I'd like to think that and am pretty certain that would happen.
 
I'm curious to hear about why you think the Democrats are actually the best choice to prevent a global climate catastrophe, if you're up for talking it through. I'm just not seeing it at all.

There's simply no way to turn the ship of state around instantly. Trump has been trying to force it onto the rocks for 3.5 years now, and it will take 3.5 years just to get it back out to deeper waters. Biden's an experienced pilot, he's capable of doing that. Doing more than that in the coming term simply isn't possible unless some of the 40% of the public who support Trump suddenly see the light and demand action.

Maybe public opinion will move fast, as it did with gay marriage, but maybe not. It's a more complex issue, so easier for people to lie about.

barfo
 
whatever you say kingspin.
Anyhow maybe my house will burn, ill lose internet and you wont have to deal with me anymore!!!

I don't have to deal with you now, I respond to you whenever I feel like it, and don't when I don't.

But for the record, I hope your house doesn't burn down.

barfo
 
@RR7

i appreciate the attempt at debating/discussing in a non insulting constructive manner today.
It may not change minds but it was a breath of fresh air vs the constant degradations we all partiscipate in to an extent.
Anyhow. Thank you for your time and patience today.
My trolling and mockery i will minimize as much as possible.
 
I think the thought is one side seems to acknowledge it while the other doesn't really want to talk about it. So usually the side willing to talk about a problem is more likely to solve a problem then the group who doesn't want to talk about it.

I see what you're saying. Here's my take:

There are two sides here, the left wing and the right wing. The left wing acknowledges the cause of climate change and wants to fix it, and the right wing does not.

Now, there are two sides of the right wing, Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats want to talk about hopefully fixing the symptoms of climate change via policy tweaks and future-tech, without addressing the root cause. And Republicans are purely in denial and are therefore unfit to participate in a solution. So, not the best stuff from either side of the ruling class on this one.

So, in my view, the only side that is talking about fixing climate change, instead of just seeking to apply a band-aid in 30 years, is the left-wing. They're the ones talking about it and are more likely to solve the problem. (Note: they are very unlikely to solve the problem. We're all doomed.)
 
Again, I don't think you know what socialism means.



I disagree with this point of view. Modern conservatism is built on a Malthusian lie that humanity is wretched and there isn't enough to go around. It's outdated and immoral thinking.

Then why did so many people sit at home instead of go to work when they were cleared, so they can collect unemployment?

I know specific cases of this where instead of doing their part and getting out and working, they decided to milk it because they were making more. That, to me, is tangible evidence that succeeds your opinionated description you just gave.
 
Then why did so many people sit at home instead of go to work when they were cleared, so they can collect unemployment?

Because people don't trust their government or their employer to tell them that it's safe to go back to work without getting the fucking plague. And clearly, they were right not to be trusted. Just because you know some people who you think "milked the system" does not mean that everyone is doing that. Maybe the people you know just suck.

I know specific cases of this where instead of doing their part and getting out and working, they decided to milk it because they were making more. That, to me, is tangible evidence that succeeds your opinionated description you just gave.

Well, I know specific cases where people didn't get unemployment and instead took soul crushing minimum wage jobs instead of getting free money from the government. My anecdotal evidence cancels out your anecdotal evidence, and we've gone nowhere.
 
Because people don't trust their government or their employer to tell them that it's safe to go back to work without getting the fucking plague. And clearly, they were right not to be trusted. Just because you know some people who you think "milked the system" does not mean that everyone is doing that. Maybe the people you know just suck.



Well, I know specific cases where people didn't get unemployment and instead took soul crushing minimum wage jobs instead of getting free money from the government. My anecdotal evidence cancels out your anecdotal evidence, and we've gone nowhere.

Okay. But Ive also had about 15 years worth of home cable and phone installations all over the NW and been in MANY MANY homes and have seen first hand how lazy and spoiled people are. So we are biased to our own experiences. Fair enough.

And BTW, one of those people is my sister and i've continually harped on her hard core for it. Yes, she does suck. But you know what? I still love her and try to help in any way I can. I shouldn't have to be expected to do that for strangers.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree on how we think people will respond to long term handouts. I personally think it will soften us and make us more dependent and less able to fend for ourselves and then when it all crumbles, that's when the masses will be truly fucked. We are already on a digital dependency. I don't want that for other things in my life as well. But I can respect that you don't feel the same.
 
Okay. But Ive also had about 15 years worth of home cable and phone installations all over the NW and been in MANY MANY homes and have seen first hand how lazy and spoiled people are. So we are biased to our own experiences. Fair enough.

Let me ask you something. If you call Comcast out to install something at your house, do you think the technician they send -- a complete stranger, mind you -- could come up with an accurate assessment of whether or not you and your family deserve government assistance based on their experience servicing your house?

Acknowledging your bias is one thing, but it doesn't seem like you're trying to account for that bias. Your handful of negative interactions you had with people as a cable guy might not be the best evidence there is to formulate a coherent political philosophy around.

And BTW, one of those people is my sister and i've continually harped on her hard core for it. Yes, she does suck. But you know what? I still love her and try to help in any way I can. I shouldn't have to be expected to do that for strangers.

Hey, my sister also stopped working and has been living off unemployment. I also love her and help her any way I can. Some people thinks she sucks for not going back to work because she's afraid of dying, and I disagree with that. I'm pretty glad that she's been able to be comfortable in this shitty time, especially since she already struggles with mental health issues and lives in poverty. I saw first hand how much that relief money meant to her and her husband. It was cool and good.

And you know, if it meant paying more taxes, I would absolutely sign up to help your sister, a complete stranger. I shouldn't be expected to check up on her and offer her moral support, but in a civil fucking society, I should be expected to contribute to the common good so that members of my community don't have to choose between food, shelter, or medicine, because that's morally wrong. When people do have to make those decisions, it results in poverty, crime, homelessness, drug addiction, and violence. Those things are all bad! I want good things to happen to people, not bad things. I think that's pretty reasonable.

but anyway i sure hope most of my taxes dont go to the fucking military whooooooops too late

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree on how we think people will respond to long term handouts. I personally think it will soften us and make us more dependent and less able to fend for ourselves and then when it all crumbles, that's when the masses will be truly fucked. We are already on a digital dependency. I don't want that for other things in my life as well. But I can respect that you don't feel the same.

My dude, when things collapse, most of us are going to die, whether or not we've been softened by government cheese. If anything, you should be for government handouts because it will make competition in a post apocalyptic society easier.
 
but there is! you just have to have the will to do it. as a commie pinko, i figured you'd know that

Yes, but the 'you' that has to have the will to do it is ultimately the people, not the president. And a big fraction of the people won't even admit there is a problem, much less want to fix it.

So yeah, doomed.

barfo
 
Yes, but the 'you' that has to have the will to do it is ultimately the people, not the president. And a big fraction of the people won't even admit there is a problem, much less want to fix it.

So yeah, doomed.

barfo

what's a "big" fraction?
 
again. Its a response reaction. Its called mockery. I cant count how many times ive been called a trumper or some other demeaning because of one opinion.

im mocking what some on the left do in here.
Im only going to be insulted for so long before its returned in kind...

You could also just be a bigger man and not do it at all?

It's almost never the first person who throws a punch that gets seen, but the retaliatory punch.

And that's on you, not on them. If you want to lead by example, then don't react the way you dont like others reacting. It's cyclical. You're also at fault, not just them.
 
Okay. But Ive also had about 15 years worth of home cable and phone installations all over the NW and been in MANY MANY homes and have seen first hand how lazy and spoiled people are. So we are biased to our own experiences. Fair enough.

And BTW, one of those people is my sister and i've continually harped on her hard core for it. Yes, she does suck. But you know what? I still love her and try to help in any way I can. I shouldn't have to be expected to do that for strangers.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree on how we think people will respond to long term handouts. I personally think it will soften us and make us more dependent and less able to fend for ourselves and then when it all crumbles, that's when the masses will be truly fucked. We are already on a digital dependency. I don't want that for other things in my life as well. But I can respect that you don't feel the same.
God bless your love for your sister which overrides her faults.
 
i just knew that socialism was being funded by Big Highway
Who else is going to build highways that all the public can use, private companies? The oil and gas industry?
 
You could also just be a bigger man and not do it at all?

It's almost never the first person who throws a punch that gets seen, but the retaliatory punch.

And that's on you, not on them. If you want to lead by example, then don't react the way you dont like others reacting. It's cyclical. You're also at fault, not just them.

Stren i have never claimed innocence and have always claimed part responsibility to the point ive publicly apologized for it....more than once!

this is my issue with this place. I don't do what your claiming as far as acting innocent. Im just sick and tired of being the ONLY one blamed and piled on for something that takes two people. First, second, it doesn’t matter. you all are smart enough to not be like that, and see it for what it is. Two stubborn asses that cant stop.
I admit the truth. He doesn't and everyone here gets on me. Not him.

sorry Stren go talk to him. Not me.
 
Stren i have never claimed innocence and have always claimed part responsibility to the point ive publicly apologized for it....more than once!

this is my issue with this place. I don't do what your claiming as far as acting innocent. Im just sick and tired of being the ONLY one blamed and piled on for something that takes two people. First, second, it doesn’t matter. you all are smart enough to not be like that, and see it for what it is. Two stubborn asses that cant stop.
I admit the truth. He doesn't and everyone here gets on me. Not him.

sorry Stren go talk to him. Not me.

"Sure I murdered those people... but it's not like there aren't other serial killers out there. At least I admit it."

barfo
 
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"Sure I murdered those people... but it's not like there aren't other serial killers out there. At least I admit it."

barfo

oh okay. So if i go start a fire now because apparently its the cool thing to do, you gonna blame me and let the original firefighters go?



get the fuck out of here with your bias take. Do you job as a mod and put pressure on those who instigate what you don't like.

you aren't gonna change me by letting others get away with what you get on me for. You will only build resolve in the opposition.

Be better.

Go after the source and the fire will be snuffed.
Keep going at the flames and the source will continue to smolder and have outbreaks.
 
I have an extreme bias against Chinese Opera music....I"m hanging onto that bias and people can try to pry it from my cold dead hands....it's like listening to cats mate at 3am...I apologize to all forum members who love Chinese Opera but fact is...we all have allegiances to different things...when did bias become a character flaw....I think of bias as accumulation of knowledge. When a person has lived some life on the planet they tend to adapt likes and dislikes ...it's fucking human nature. It didn't do anybody any good to be open minded about the Golden State killer....sometimes objectivity has no place in sensible observation...that guy is dumping his trash in the river....I don't stop and think...maybe he's feeding the fish. in society the elders usually know who they are and don't need to be spoon fed doubt about how they formed their convictions
 
I have an extreme bias against Chinese Opera music....I"m hanging onto that bias and people can try to pry it from my cold dead hands....it's like listening to cats mate at 3am...I apologize to all forum members who love Chinese Opera but fact is...we all have allegiances to different things...when did bias become a character flaw....I think of bias as accumulation of knowledge. When a person has lived some life on the planet they tend to adapt likes and dislikes ...it's fucking human nature. It didn't do anybody any good to be open minded about the Golden State killer....sometimes objectivity has no place in sensible observation...that guy is dumping his trash in the river....I don't stop and think...maybe he's feeding the fish. in society the elders usually know who they are and don't need to be spoon fed doubt about how they formed their convictions
Because mods when reprimanding in s forum should be unbiased.

so now cops can be biased?


Here we go again with more double standards....
 
Because mods when reprimanding in s forum should be unbiased.

so now cops can be biased?


Here we go again with more double standards....
mods are not required to like chinese opera or people throwing trash in the river?......with all the dislike you have for this place why don't you start a forum somewhere and be the mod? Personally I think the mods here for the most part do a good job....they sure get shit on alot and I see a pattern of some who have made it a daily practice to shit on them.....choices...life is tough right now...offer solutions and stop escalating the problems...and as to bias...everyone has bias...mods, cops, homeless people, etc...that's social science 101.....some things have common ground and others don't..that's not a double standard....a double standard would be hating the Lakers and yet buying season tickets to their games or disliking a forum and posting in it all day long saying how much you don't like the forum....I had my heart restarted yesterday and my covid test at 5 am tested negative...my house is standing and my family is alive....there are worse things than political differences right now and everyone needs to cut everyone else a bit of slack unless they are seriously threatened or abused....that's not the case at S2
 
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mods are not required to like chinese opera or people throwing trash in the river......with all the dislike you have for this place why don't you start a forum somewhere and be the mod? Personally I think the mods here for the most part do a good job....they sure get shit on alot and I see a pattern of some who have made it a daily practice to shit on them.....choices...life is tough right now...offer solutions and stop escalating the problems...and as to bias...everyone has bias...mods, cops, homeless people, etc...that's social science 101.....some things have common ground and others don't..that's not a double standard....a double standard would be hating the Lakers and yet buying season tickets to their games

you see what you see, i see what i see.

why dont you put me on ignore or go start a forum elsewhere and only allow members who agree with you?

Where only people who accept double standards are allowed to be members?

that is obviously what you and some others want. A place where you can belittle other entities who disagree with you ANd you wont get any pushback...

or.. is that this place?

tribal....
 
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