Liberals turning on Obama

[jlprk]

It's so simple. One short decade ago, Clinton ran surpluses, until the horrible 10-year Bush tax cut stopped them. Denny's GDP stats don't alter Clinton's success.

The U.S. from 1997-2001 had none of the following that lunatic Huevon threatens. You don't need communism or bankrupt European countries. You don't need to have the government take away investing power from the private sector. You don't need to hurt the American rich. (The rich made a lot more money under Clinton than under Bush, even after subtracting the higher tax rate.)

Do it Clinton's way. Start with his line budget and change it as little as possible. No one else has any specific plan. Everyone's plan except the history of 1997-2001 is a wild guess as to what to do. The essence of Clinton's way is 1) to consciously try to save money (e.g. privatize what he could, avoid war, and in NASA where I read a lot, he ran the Faster Cheaper Better probes) and 2) to use the traditional tax rates for the rich that always worked until they were stopped 10 years ago.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It's so simple. Do it Clinton's way.

That "way" was the largest tax increase in the history of the world. We simply cannot tax our way out of this mess. That's the only way we can agree on that will destroy this country.

 

[barfo]

Michele Bachmann wins, Ron Paul a close second at Iowa straw poll

Michele Bachmann has been named the winner of the Iowa straw poll, taking 4,823 votes out of nearly 17,000 cast. Ron Paul was a close runner-up, taking 4,671 votes and trailing Bachmann by less than 200 ballots. In a distant third place was former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who took 2,293 votes after investing heavily in the event.

After pondering a bit, I think Romney prevailed. This pretty much eliminates Pawlenty. That reduces the field to Pomney and a pile of lunatics (Pachmann, Paul, Perry, possibly Palin). What is it about republican candidates and the letter "P"? Romney has to be planning that at some point in the next few months the party will probably realize that Bachmann, Paul, and Perry are too extreme for most people to accept and having them on the ticket will merely motivate the democrats to vote. Even though Romney's political philosophy amounts to "elect Mitt Romney", he's not actually insane, and that qualification might be enough to win in this field. He's also far and away the best candidate against Obama, in that he won't have to spend the whole campaign trying to deny that he's a witch.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

That "way" was the largest tax increase in the history of the world.

That's easily-shot down propaganda you've read somewhere. 1) Anything this country does is usually the biggest in the world because it has the biggest economy. In total dollars, sure taxes are big, but per person, and per rich person, they are much smaller than most countries.

2) Tax rates had to move up a lot to return to normal. This was to solve the emergency caused by going down so much under Reagan, causing the first giant deficits this nation had seen except in the Civil War and WWII.

Now we have another emergency and it's just as easy to solve it. Return to normal American tax rates (which are lower than normal for most of the world). And cut those expenses that increased during the Bush years, like wars and the doubling in intelligence employees.

We simply cannot tax our way out of this mess. That's the only way we can agree on that will destroy this country.

Tell me how it destroyed us in 1997-2001. Remember the booming economy and stock market?

 

[jlprk]

After pondering a bit, I think Romney prevailed. This pretty much eliminates Pawlenty.

If so, that's regrettably a crazy system. It's 12 months before the convention and 15 months before the election. I remember when all primaries were in April and May except one in March--New Hampshire, a conservative state, tried every time to narrow the field for all following primaries.

 

[barfo]

If so, that's regrettably a crazy system. It's 12 months before the convention and 15 months before the election. I remember when all primaries were in April and May except one in March--New Hampshire, a conservative state, tried every time to narrow the field for all following primaries.

It is a deeply crazy system.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Tell me how it destroyed us in 1997-2001.

Look at us now. We tried to tax our way out and we're bankrupt.

 

[jlprk]

Okay. Those giant surpluses caused today's giant deficits. Things are better now than then. Yep.

Similarly, if I save $100,000 in my bank account, get married to a Republican who brings in a lot less income than we made combined before I married her, she spends my $100,000, her continued spending puts us into debt about $300,000, then---

the cause is the bad old days when I had $100,000 in my bank account. The solution isn't to go back to how I saved the money. The solution, you say, is to continue not bringing in enough money into the family.

That's what you're saying. My point is, instead of inventing unreliable theories on how to solve the problem, just do it the way that worked in the real world, not in some textbook. Try to replicate 1997-2001. The main differences are that 1) taxes before the 10-year tax cut paid the bills and 2) the giant Bush increases in expenses for war, spies, and Homeland Security hadn't happened.

In 4 words: Reverse the Bush years.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fuzzy math, or fantasy with numbers. Not sure where you come up with this stuff.

The government is spending $4T. It spent under $2T in the Clinton years. Cut $2T+ and we're talking.

Revenues? We took in $2T in Clinton's last year and we took in $2.5T or more during the Bush years.

No matter how you look at it, govt. spending is the problem.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Fuzzy math, or fantasy with numbers. Not sure where you come up with this stuff.

No matter how you look at it, govt. spending is the problem.

So we can either tax our way out (which, of course, leads to more spending), or we can reform the government and spend less. We really have no other viable options.

 

[Denny Crane]

Speaking of Progressive failure...

http://reason.com/archives/2011/08/10/the-crumbling-cult-of-obama

The Crumbling Cult of Obama
Sorry guys, there are no more kings

David Harsanyi | August 10, 2011

The romance is gone. But don't worry. It's not him; it's you.

It turns out we are the ones who failed Him. We weren't prepared for a mega-dosage of awesomeness. We were too dimwitted to grasp the decency of central planning. And the insistence of troublemakers to engage in debate and vote, in fact, is the most serious threat to this nation's future.

In a recent New York Times piece, Drew Westen, a professor of psychology and a Democratic strategist, wrote that the American public had been "desperate for a leader who would speak with confidence, and they were ready to follow wherever the president led." Do Americans really have some innate autocratic tendency that makes them desperately seek out a half-term senator "wherever" he may lead?

Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, recently echoed Westen's authoritarian sentiment in a Daily Beast piece, titled "Obama Is Too Good for Us," wherein he disparaged a system that allows mere simpletons to transfer their free market absurdity to Washington through elections. Similarly, Jacob Weisberg of Slate wrote that because of "intellectual primitives" on the right, "compromise is dead" and "there's no point trying to explain complicated matters to the American people. The president has tried reasonableness and he has failed."

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Hate to break the news to you, Arne; for many Americans, stopping this administration from "getting stuff done" is getting stuff done.

 

[Denny Crane]

Interesting?

Obama's approaching W's approval numbers.

 

[barfo]

Interesting?

Republicans, in particular are drawing voter ire. In the CNN poll, only 33% view the Republican Party favorably, down from 41% in July, and 59% view the party unfavorably, the highest-ever recorded. Meanwhile, Americans' view of the Democratic Party actually improved -- from 45% in July to 47% in August.

Speaker John Boehner's favorable rating dropped 10% from July to August, to 33%. It's the first time since he became speaker that more voters view him unfavorably than favorably.

And a Gallup survey released Friday show that if the elections for Congress were being held today, 51% of respondents would choose the Democratic Party candidate while 44% would choose the Republican -- the best showing for Democrats in about two years.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Fuzzy math, or fantasy with numbers. Not sure where you come up with this stuff.

The government is spending $4T. It spent under $2T in the Clinton years. Cut $2T+ and we're talking.

Revenues? We took in $2T in Clinton's last year and we took in $2.5T or more during the Bush years.

No matter how you look at it, govt. spending is the problem.

Yeah what a bunch of cowards these people in Congress are, all you have to do is cut spending it is so damn simple.

Medicare and Social Security will take up 100% of our GDP in 2020.

 

[huevonkiller]

Interesting?



barfo

There's a website for all this.... And Obama's not doing swell. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ident_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html


Not that it matters since we're still a year off though. Can't wait to get downgraded again.

 

[huevonkiller]

Speaking of Progressive failure...

http://reason.com/archives/2011/08/10/the-crumbling-cult-of-obama

The Crumbling Cult of Obama
Sorry guys, there are no more kings

David Harsanyi | August 10, 2011

The romance is gone. But don't worry. It's not him; it's you.

It turns out we are the ones who failed Him. We weren't prepared for a mega-dosage of awesomeness. We were too dimwitted to grasp the decency of central planning. And the insistence of troublemakers to engage in debate and vote, in fact, is the most serious threat to this nation's future.

In a recent New York Times piece, Drew Westen, a professor of psychology and a Democratic strategist, wrote that the American public had been "desperate for a leader who would speak with confidence, and they were ready to follow wherever the president led." Do Americans really have some innate autocratic tendency that makes them desperately seek out a half-term senator "wherever" he may lead?

Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, recently echoed Westen's authoritarian sentiment in a Daily Beast piece, titled "Obama Is Too Good for Us," wherein he disparaged a system that allows mere simpletons to transfer their free market absurdity to Washington through elections. Similarly, Jacob Weisberg of Slate wrote that because of "intellectual primitives" on the right, "compromise is dead" and "there's no point trying to explain complicated matters to the American people. The president has tried reasonableness and he has failed."

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Hate to break the news to you, Arne; for many Americans, stopping this administration from "getting stuff done" is getting stuff done.

People supported Obama for very shallow reasons, when you run on "hope" that's only going to take you so far. Reality is he lets Congress run the same socialist policies that have failed everywhere in the world.

 

[barfo]

Yeah what a bunch of cowards these people in Congress are, all you have to do is cut spending it is so damn simple.

Yes, it's so damn simple. Except that a whole lot of people will be really really pissed no matter what you cut. Other than that it's simple.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Yes, it's so damn simple. Except that a whole lot of people will be really really pissed no matter what you cut. Other than that it's simple.

barfo

I don't care.

Nigguh I said "Greece", and you hid. I'm calling you out.

 

[ABM]

Yes, it's so damn simple. Except that a whole lot of people will be really really pissed no matter what you cut. Other than that it's simple.

barfo

Nonetheless, it (cost-cutting) is a reality. Draw straws if they have to.

 

[barfo]

There's a website for all this.... And Obama's not doing swell. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ident_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html

Your link is not very meaningful, since it doesn't address the actual candidates. Here's the real one:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

barfo

 

[barfo]

I don't care.

Nigguh I said "Greece", and you hid. I'm calling you out.

I'm sorry, maybe you can use more than one word to make your points, then maybe I could understand you. What about Greece do you want to discuss?

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Your link is not very meaningful, since it doesn't address the actual candidates. Here's the real one:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

barfo

The point is there's a website for all this.......... We don't need your polls. And Romney or whoever will get a lot more steam when they actually get out of the GOP side.

Even FDR thinks Obama is a moron, barfo you're not quite right in the head man.

 

[huevonkiller]

I'm sorry, maybe you can use more than one word to make your points, then maybe I could understand you. What about Greece do you want to discuss?

barfo

Gee I wonder what I could possibly be referring to?

You have no plan. Your plan is a bunch of complaining about how we're wrong and how we can spend and borrow our way out of this.

 

[barfo]

The point is there's a website for all this.......... We don't need your polls.

Yes, the point is there is a website for all this, which I linked to. Let's also note that I was responding to Denny posting a poll. Let's also note that 'the website for this' shows that Obama beats every one of the Republican candidates when matched head-to-head.

And Romney or whoever will get a lot more steam when they actually get out of the GOP side.

Yes, I'm sure he'll be full of hot air when he's nominated.

Even FDR thinks Obama is a moron, barfo you're not quite right in the head man.

Even FDR? Someone isn't quite right in the head here, alright.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Gee I wonder what I could possibly be referring to?

With you, who the hell knows? My guess, you are referring to how the ancient Greeks got high on nutmeg.

You have no plan. Your plan is a bunch of complaining about how we're wrong and how we can spend and borrow our way out of this.

I'm not complaining. And who is "we"? But are you saying you have a plan? If so please share it.

barfo

 

[ABM]

barfo, is Obama your choice for the 2012 Democratic ticket?

 

[barfo]

barfo, is Obama your choice for the 2012 Democratic ticket?

Is anyone running against him?

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Yes, the point is there is a website for all this, which I linked to. Let's also note that I was responding to Denny posting a poll. Let's also note that 'the website for this' shows that Obama beats every one of the Republican candidates when matched head-to-head.

Yes, I'm sure he'll be full of hot air when he's nominated.

Lol stop ejaculating already over the polls, we're a year off buddy.

We're going to get more debt, more negative outlooks, and more downgrades. I'm glad because I hate your terrible policies. :]

Even FDR? Someone isn't quite right in the head here, alright.

barfo

Man this is too easy. Pick up a book stop pounding your chest you're not proving anything.

Yeah FDR isn't as liberal as this payaso.

 

[huevonkiller]

barfo, is Obama your choice for the 2012 Democratic ticket?

Absolutely, he loves his work so far.

 

[ABM]

Is anyone running against him?

barfo

Any suggestions?