Lillard for MVP 2021

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Why are you guys arguing over ancient history?

The question is, who is the 2021 MVP. Lots of arguments for a handful of players. Dame should be in the top 3. What they did 10 years ago should be irrelevant. I wish it were.
 
BBert said:
Why are you guys arguing over ancient history?

The question is, who is the 2021 MVP. Lots of arguments for a handful of players. Dame should be in the top 3. What they did 10 years ago should be irrelevant. I wish it were.
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The other strange thing to me is that it's the Most Valuable Player.

Not the most valuable player on the best team. Right now Dame is basically carrying this corpse of a roster on this back into the top 4 in the west. If that's not the most valuable player, I don't know what the fuck is.
 
All these guys talking about Lillard will continue to do so if they see there is a strong reaction to their "hot takes".

Like, share, comment on their social media posts. If it gets them views and hits and they continue. If it doesn't they find someone else to anoint.
 
blazerkor said:
That nullifies what he did for the first seven years of his career. He has played with great players since then and gone to more finals than anyone else that didn't play in the 1960's.

I mean are we really debating Dame v LeBron... that's not a real thing is it?
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Not their careers, just this year. And, if you think Dame should be MVP this year, then you have to talk about LBJ, and everyone else.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's unrelated for some reason.

Did a basic weighted scoring thing for the different weights of fan vote (0.5)/player vote (0.25)/media vote (0.25).

Steph will get the fan and media vote for sure. Players... probably, but not definitive. If he gets 1st in all three, then obviously he's in as starter.

But my question is, what happens if it goes like this in this scenario:
Luka gets 2nd in fan vote, but third in both players and media vote? That would give both him AND Dame a weighted score of 2.5.

Steph -- 1st fan, 1st players, 1st media -- 1
Luka -- 2nd fan, 3rd players, 3rd media -- 2.5
Dame -- 3rd fan, 2nd players, 2nd media -- 2.5

Wonder what the tiebreaker is on this.
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Called it. Exact same scenario
 
I guess it's progression that we no longer have to deal with Lillard being an All Star snub, and now deal with Lillard being an All Star starter snub.
 
Honestly, if he's going to be snubbed, I'd rather it be by the guy who is scoring, assisting and rebounding at the rate that Luka is.

What i do hope tho, is that Dame actually plays starters minutes.
 
I want to see Dame and Curry each shoot a half-court shot during the game!
 
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't have a problem with putting Steph and Luka ahead of Dame.

@Strenuus is going to have me double-banned now
 
Drexler getting snubbed (because fan are idiots) in 88 was worse. As was 87.
 
B-Roy said:
The tiebreaker being fan vote makes no fucking sense.
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Why? I'd rather the entire vote was the fans. The All Star game is an exhibition for the fans to see the stars they want to see. I think that's a good role for it.

I consider the All NBA teams to be the purely merit-based awards. Conceptually, at least--I'm not sure it always ends up working out that way.
 
Minstrel said:
Why? I'd rather the entire vote was the fans. The All Star game is an exhibition for the fans to see the stars they want to see. I think that's a good role for it.

I consider the All NBA teams to be the purely merit-based awards. Conceptually, at least--I'm not sure it always ends up working out that way.
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Lets not pretend that fan vote is not heavily influenced by who is pushed by the media. Luka is constantly pushed down our throats while Dame is barely mentioned, and the media even voted Dame over Luka.
 
B-Roy said:
Lets not pretend that fan vote is not heavily influenced by who is pushed by the media. Luka is constantly pushed down our throats while Dame is barely mentioned, and the media even voted Dame over Luka.
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Everything, whether sports, politics, social issues, has some element of media influence. But are you saying there's some agenda in who gets pushed? Personally, I've seen no animosity in the media to Lillard--he seems like a well-liked player who gets a lot of plaudits for his big shots and dynamic play.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My stat for the media talking heads:
Lillard has NEVER played with a top 20 player.
LBJ has never* NOT played with a top 20 player.

Yes, Lillard is exhausted come playoff time. He's always had to do what Lebron has always feared of doing.

*in the last 10 or so years.
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Aldridge was considered 3rd in MVP race at times in 2014ish. He was certainly top 20. LeBron didn’t play with a Top 20 player in 2017-18 or 2018-19 And he certainly didn’t play with a Top 20 player 2003-10. So that’s half of LeBron’s career.
 
illmatic99 said:
Using the market is such a copout excuse. Did he forget that a guy from Milwaukee won the past two MVPs? Or about two players from OKC winning in the past decade? Call it like it is-- people just don't notice Dame because he doesn't dance around and smack his own chest after every three point shot he makes. Casuals.
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Umm Dame literally danced after making a 3 in Game 1 last season. He also points to his wrist and waves goodbye vs OKC.

 
Natebishop3 said:
So here's a question, if the pick'n'roll is what's leading to Dame getting trapped, why run it?

We used to see the same damn thing with Brandon Roy. We are creating a scenario where the other team can double our best player in a disadvantageous position on the floor. Why create that situation if you know it's coming?
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Dame gets doubled with and without the pick'n'roll.

If we didn't want him to get doubled, I suppose we could not give him the ball, but that doesn't make much sense to me.

If we have 4 threats around him, then I suspect we'd see far less double teams.
 
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