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How many more threads are we gonna see about this? it's idiotic. Your fan card should be revoked if you wanna just jump fucking ship and trade lillard or even cj right now. You aren't gonna get Butler for any of the two and even if you could, don't you maybe wanna wait and see how this team plays with a decent fucking frontcourt?? we got guys who aren't starters, starting out there. Dame and CJ try to keep the team on their back averaging 23 and 27 and not even that helps. Put a fucking rim protector out there with dame and cj, as well as another piece and lets see how they play. Tired of people going ape shit when we suck. It's like you panic and aren't thinking clearly. "TRADE DAME, CJ. HELP!!!"

Dame is a great leader. Spokesperson for the franchise. The ultimate franchise player. Loyal. Signed a big extension before last season not knowing if last season was gonna be terrible or not and has expressed the whole time him wanting to finish his career here. People close to him have said how damn loyal he is especially when he was at weber state. Stats get better every year. One of the only few players that can pull up from 30 feet and drill it and fuck your whole "Dame time isn't real" stats because I have seen dame time. 3 to 4 threes made in a row on pull up 30 footers like nothing. I will never forget the back to back game winners he had against Cleveland and then detroit. Game 6? need I say more? his start to this season averaging like 30 a game for a while. Just came off an ankle sprain, not playing the best, yeah I don't like his shot selection sometimes either and his defense but fuck that I am riding with Dame on this one. That's a player you don't get rid of. Maybe also consider he hates losing and maybe that affects his play as we have seen with other players. Must be bullshit to see your team mates not live up to their contracts and play like they could. Allen Crabbe had 30 last night. Why can't he average a consistent number? dude can do better. Some idiots on the forum though think Dame just needs to be traded now. You are just gonna bitch about the next star that comes to town so fuck outta here.

I wouldn't trade CJ as well. It's obvious this organization put their chips in on CJ and Dame. These dudes are like brothers, close and live here. Families are close. They make each other better on the court and feed whoever is hot the ball as Dame did last night when CJ was feeling it. CJ's ability to split the double and pull up from mid and be crafty is so valuable. Lose CJ on a screen, you are fucked. Also signed a huge extension with us. These are our franchise guys and maybe you need to start pointing fingers at Crabbe, Davis, Leonard, etc for their play and start thinking about getting rid of them for some damn pieces that would actually try and be consistent and good for the team as opposed to lazy and uninspired, inconsistent. Stop with these stupid ass threads, shits annoying. Use your damn head
 
Cippy91 said:
How many more threads are we gonna see about this? it's idiotic. Your fan card should be revoked if you wanna just jump fucking ship and trade lillard or even cj right now.
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Are you, perchance, calling us...fair-weather fans?
 
Don't trade either. They are both badasses. And that's what you need to win. You need players who are just badasses. The more the better. I don't know how to make this team better, but it doesn't start with trading one of those guys.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What part of "gun to your head" don't you understand?
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So you got bored and decided HEY I KNOW A GOOD POST DUUURRR WHAT IF YOU HAD A GUN TO YUR HEAD AND U HAD TA CHOOSE ONE?!?!"

yeah lol
 
CJ is starting to come into his own - just as Lillard did in his first few years in the league.
Dame has a lot more experience than CJ, both in the league and at running the team.

That being said, even with the massive jump CJ made last season, it's truly impressive (and fun to watch) to see his continued growth as a player.

I don't understand people who can't come to grips with the idea that CJ may be better than Lillard.
Is it that unlikely that CJ, given the same opportunities and time as Lillard, could be just as good (even better?).

Gun to head I'd trade Lillard. CJ is still growing as a player and is just as good right now.
IMO, already, CJ is a better shooter, may be more clutch and is a better defender than Lillard.

Either way, IF the team decides to trade one of these two - I hope it's based on a basketball decision and not on a corporate or pandering to fans decision (ie. we don't want fan backlash).
The better basketball on the court will translate into fan appreciation of it's own accord.
 
Gun to my head I trade CJ. Only because I've seen Dame lead a team in the playoffs. I'm confident that McCollum could also though.
 
Lillard is the better pg so no question for me there (he is the better player overall too). To have a good pg is extremely important if you don't have Lebron James on your team so I choose Dame. And for those that might say we ll get a decent pg in the next draft with our picks I doubt we can find a pg that can produce from season 1 and this is what we need unless we want to waste next season too.

And to be honest I'm really surprised it's 50-50, it seems crazy!
 
Cippy91 said:
So you got bored and decided HEY I KNOW A GOOD POST DUUURRR WHAT IF YOU HAD A GUN TO YUR HEAD AND U HAD TA CHOOSE ONE?!?!"

yeah lol
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I don't think you know how a forum works. It is here for us to discuss anything and everything. You ever heard the only bad question is the one not asked?
I suggest not taking this so personal. Most people discussing trading one or both understand we need equal value back or I don't think anyone here would discuss it.
If you don't like it ignore the thread the poster or whatever, but yourbabbling about telling others what they can and can't discuss/think is as absurd as you think trading them are.
Chill out, calm down and enjoy the discussions. W all want the same thing. The best team possible. We are never all going to agree on each of the players.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I don't think you know how a forum works. It is here for us to discuss anything and everything. You ever heard the only bad question is the one not asked?
I suggest not taking this so personal. Most people discussing trading one or both understand we need equal value back or I don't think anyone here would discuss it.
If you don't like it ignore the thread the poster or whatever, but yourbabbling about telling others what they can and can't discuss/think is as absurd as you think trading them are.
Chill out, calm down and enjoy the discussions. W all want the same thing. The best team possible. We are never all going to agree on each of the players.
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I am chill you just can't hear the tone I'm saying it in so you think I'm freaking out
 
Cippy91 said:
I am chill you just can't hear the tone I'm saying it in so you think I'm freaking out
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NAh. you were freaking out. :0
It's okay though . You were damn near tossing personal insults out there its frustrating you so much. If you were chilled out you wouldnt have put such an effort into such a long post. :)
Its all good, but lets keep it real. :)
 
Orion Bailey said:
NAh. you were freaking out. :0
It's okay though . You were damn near tossing personal insults out there its frustrating you so much. If you were chilled out you wouldnt have put such an effort into such a long post. :)
Its all good, but lets keep it real. :)
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Could be that his version of chill is equivalent to your version of amped up and my version of going nuclear. We all operate within different continua.
 
Gun to the head must trade one, which appears to be where the Blazers are heading.

It’s been trading CJ, until recently. I am starting to believe trading Dame is the best answer, on several levels.

1) Replacing a PG is much easier than replacing a SG. SG is the thinnest position in the league, with next to nothing in the draft to improve the depth. PG is one of the deepest positions in the league, with a good crop of prospects in the draft.

2) A far as Dame vs CJs leadership. I agree Dame was the team leader, last season. His leadership was probably the main reason they overachieved last season. However, something has changed, or this team would not be in the funk it is now. The team appears to play better as a team when Lillard misses a game. There is something going on now that is not right, and Lillard is not fixing it.

3) CJ appears to a better defender than Dame. We need a PG that can create for others, defend, and then score when needed. I believe it is Dames lack of defense that is causing so many problems for our bigs at the rim.

I would be listening to trade offers for both, but down deep, believe Lillard is now the player to trade. Build the team around CJ.
 
oldfisherman said:
1) Replacing a PG is much easier than replacing a SG. SG is the thinnest position in the league, with next to nothing in the draft to improve the depth. PG is one of the deepest positions in the league, with a good crop of prospects in the draft.
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This is the real rub, for me. Because it's been SO LONG since we've had a good PG we've been conditioned to think that they're hard to come by and we should be lucky to have such a good one. But the fact of the matter is that Dame isn't that special - he's in the Top 3rd of starting PGs. And with so many supposedly good PGs entering the league, that may further diminish his standing.
 
All of these types of threads seem to be started by the same person.... and they always seem to lean towards the same line of questioning.

I had to sort through about a million Trump threads.

Lillard or McCollum?
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/lillard-or-mccollum.308271/

Would you trade Lillard?
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/would-you-trade-lillard.307896/

CJ quietly outplaying Dame?
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/cj-quietly-outplaying-dame.306864/

Kemba Walker
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/kemba-walker.306160/
 
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Anyone have thoughts on a trade centered around Dame for Simmons/Okafor?

Simmons could be our point forward. Our starting lineup would get bigger, and much better on D.
 
oldfisherman said:
Anyone have thoughts on a trade centered around Dame for Simmons/Okafor?

Simmons could be our point forward. Our starting lineup would get bigger, and much better on D.
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I have serious doubts that Philly would give up on him so quickly. Additionally, it's very unlikely Neil would trade Damian for a guy on injured reserve.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I have serious doubts that Philly would give up on him so quickly. Additionally, it's very unlikely Neil would trade Damian for a guy on injured reserve.
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Nice to get an insiders view, because I have no idea what either GM would do, or not.

I am only trying to figure out what is fair trade value for Dame.
 
oldfisherman said:
Anyone have thoughts on a trade centered around Dame for Simmons/Okafor?

Simmons could be our point forward. Our starting lineup would get bigger, and much better on D.
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I think that's one of those trades that ultimately doesn't work for either side. Simmons is probably either going to be a lot more valuable than Lillard or quite a bit less so (yes, in between is certainly possible but he strikes me as particularly boom/bust) and I don't think either side will want to accept that kind of risk: Olshey the risk that he gives away Lillard for an injured player that ultimately doesn't pan out and Colangelo that he gives away a possibly unique star for a non-superstar. Especially with Philadelphia still building and Portland trying to reach contender status sooner than later, I think Philly would prefer to go with the big-upside risk and Portland would prefer to stick with the certainty of Lillard.
 
oldfisherman said:
I would be listening to trade offers for both, but down deep, believe Lillard is now the player to trade. Build the team around CJ.
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Then you keep the problem, but just change the player's name. I have always felt that a team should not be "built around" its one or even two top players.

Stotts has trained Lillard to play selfishly and take many laconic lackadaisical shots, which frustrates his teammates into not playing 110% like they did last year. It's a class system.
 
Gun to my head I'd trade Meyers Leonard.

That was simple.
 
oldfisherman said:
Nice to get an insiders view, because I have no idea what either GM would do, or not.

I am only trying to figure out what is fair trade value for Dame.
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I never claimed an insider's view. I used simple deductive reasoning.
 
Minstrel said:
I think that's one of those trades that ultimately doesn't work for either side. Simmons is probably either going to be a lot more valuable than Lillard or quite a bit less so (yes, in between is certainly possible but he strikes me as particularly boom/bust) and I don't think either side will want to accept that kind of risk: Olshey the risk that he gives away Lillard for an injured player that ultimately doesn't pan out and Colangelo that he gives away a possibly unique star for a non-superstar. Especially with Philadelphia still building and Portland trying to reach contender status sooner than later, I think Philly would prefer to go with the big-upside risk and Portland would prefer to stick with the certainty of Lillard.
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All good valid points.

Q. Given the age and timeline of the super teams that are the real contenders. And then include the timeline of the Blazers salaries and cap structure. When do you think during Dame’s reign the Blazers will be a TRUE CONTENDER?

When I look at the two timelines. I do not believe we will ever be a true contender during Dames reign, sad but true.

It’s not Dames fault, but the Warriors and Cavs have the contender timeline wrapped up. Plus, with our screwed up cap space issue, we are not going to able to add the additional talent needed to be a true contender in Dames reign.

I was thinking further out, and getting even younger by trading Dame for younger cheap top tier players. Let them develop, and then be in position to strike when the Warriors and Cavs backslide.


Sure it is a gamble, but we are not going anywhere in the playoffs. With our screwed up cap space for the next 3-4 seasons, we are not going to able to get close to being a true contender in Dames reign.
 
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