Lillard's and Aldridge's relationship. (He will come back Portland one day)

[Orion Bailey]

When you posted like Orion just did the other day you tried to hide behind it not being about anyone specific. So I'll say the same thing you told me, it's awfully presumptuous to think that post is about you.

(See how ridiculous that sounds)

Some people cant own thier shit man.

Same story different day is all
No biggy at all.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Who needs a movie when you have a thread like this that keeps on giving!

 

[Hobbesarable]

I’m saying he’s overrated. On a bad team he will get you an ok shot so he’s a benefit. On an already good offensive team, those ok shots don’t add much value and don’t offset the negative chemistry baggage he brings.

This is why he should not be on the team. I already work with a person like this and it is a draining experience of life. Personally, I would rather have a hard worker willing to go the extra mile without the baggage.

 

[bobf]

I think he’s “rated” basically exactly as what he should be. He’s not a superstar, He’s not a shoe in for All-NBA, he’s a legit bottom tier All-Star, He’s definitely top 30ish in the NBA, but also definitely not top 15.
I suppose its fair to think he’s not even “that” good, but I never hear anyone talk about how he’s better then that.

He has had an occaisional top 30-ish looking season, last year for example, but he is top 60-ish not top 30-ish. The very fact that you needed to say Lamarcus Aldridge is not a superstar tells me he is overrated. That goes without saying.

BPM for past 4 years: Average rank is 59th among players with 800+ minutes.
RPM for past 4 years: Rank of average RPM is also about 60th. +1.8 (+0.8 off, +1.0 def)

The difference between 30th and 60th is not small. He is approx wins added by RPM rank:
15th adds about +8 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min
30th adds about +5 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min
60th adds about +3 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He has had an occaisional top 30-ish looking season, last year for example, but he is top 60-ish not top 30-ish. The very fact that you needed to say Lamarcus Aldridge is not a superstar tells me he is overrated. That goes without saying.

BPM for past 4 years: Average rank is 59th among players with 800+ minutes.
RPM for past 4 years: Rank of average RPM is also about 60th. +1.8 (+0.8 off, +1.0 def)

The difference between 30th and 60th is not small. He is approx wins added by RPM rank:
15th adds about +8 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min
30th adds about +5 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min
60th adds about +3 wins to a team in 82 games, playing 36 min

I said he’s not a superstar because his distractors always act like you say anything positive about him and you’re over rating him.

He had the 8th best effeciency rating in the NBA last year according to this.
https://start.att.net/news/read/art..._20182019-rgannett/category/sports?lang=en-us

They ranked him 22.

SI Ranked him 21st
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki

 

[rotary111]

Discussing whether or not a PF with a killer turn around would help this team or not is comical. Who would want a player who would force the defense to double team down low leaving shooters open? PF is our weakness right now. I understand the hate when he left and some on here thought he was soft when here. Ok. Fine. He still would he a huge boost to Dame and any other shooter left open because of what LA brings.

Off the court and really the rumors about how he wasn't a good guy with staff etc could be true but people change all the time. He apparently has and Dame seems to feel good about it so I'm good if Dame's good.

If Collins improves and takes the position maybe LA can finally be that role model he failed so badly at years ago.

 

[THE HCP]

This is why he should not be on the team. I already work with a person like this and it is a draining experience of life. Personally, I would rather have a hard worker willing to go the extra mile without the baggage.

I almost agree with this. I consider myself the “baggage” of S2.....but aren’t I worth it?

 

[Hobbesarable]

I almost agree with this. I consider myself the “baggage” of S2.....but aren’t I worth it?

Haha. You remind me of my buddies from Benson high school in the 90s. So, I don't view you as baggage.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I almost agree with this. I consider myself the “baggage” of S2.....but aren’t I worth it?

We only put up with you so we get access to your wife.

 

[THE HCP]

We only put up with you so we get access to your wife.

See you just took a beutiful moment between me and the Hobbs guy and ruined it.




But to be honest, if I had known he went to Benson, I would of had him on IGNORE! #BAM #TechManSuck

 

[Hobbesarable]

See you just took a beutiful moment between me and the Hobbs guy and ruined it.




But to be honest, if I had known he went to Benson, I would of had him on IGNORE! #BAM #TechMan suck!

 

[blue9]

Discussing whether or not a PF with a killer turn around would help this team or not is comical. Who would want a player who would force the defense to double team down low leaving shooters open?

But his turnaround ISN'T killer, and he handles double-teams rather poorly.

PF is our weakness right now. I understand the hate when he left and some on here thought he was soft when here. Ok. Fine. He still would he a huge boost to Dame and any other shooter left open because of what LA brings.

As much as I loathe Aminu, I only see LA as a minor upgrade. And that upgrade only happens if he plays Aminu's role and doesn't take more shots than he deserves.

If Collins improves and takes the position maybe LA can finally be that role model he failed so badly at years ago.

Collins is already a better defender. And LA has no foot work or any other low post skills that he could pass along to others. If we want a mentor for Collins there are much better ones out there. LA can't teach him shit.

 

[CupWizier]

See you just took a beutiful moment between me and the Hobbs guy and ruined it.




But to be honest, if I had known he went to Benson, I would of had him on IGNORE! #BAM #TechManSuck

Well my dad went to Benson many moons ago so I won't say anything bad about them, but with a mom, 3 sisters and myself all being Grantonians, I will always be more loyal to the Generals.

 

[THE HCP]

Well my dad went to Benson many moons ago so I won't say anything bad about them, but with a mom, 3 sisters and myself all being Grantonians, I will always be more loyal to the Generals.

No, there is no excuse for going to Benson. The rest of your family sound like truly amazing well grounded people. #GeneralsForLife

 

[CupWizier]

No, there is no excuse for going to Benson. The rest of your family sound like truly amazing well grounded people. #GeneralsForLife

Well at the time, Benson was the only high school that had a quality automotive department and my dad was a son of a mechanic that owned his own shop so he grew up working on cars and after he got out of the Navy he worked for a Ford dealership while building and owning race cars and eventually owned his own shop so that was a pretty good reason.

 

[bobf]

I said he’s not a superstar because his distractors always act like you say anything positive about him and you’re over rating him.

He had the 8th best effeciency rating in the NBA last year according to this.
https://start.att.net/news/read/art..._20182019-rgannett/category/sports?lang=en-us

They ranked him 22.

SI Ranked him 21st
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki

PER is too much of an offensive usage stat and last season was probably LA's best statistic season so that's cherry picking. Both PER & BPM use box-score stats, but PER uses semi-arbitrary hand-crafted weights while BPM is more mathematically sound. Here is an article that analyses various NBA advanced metrics based on predictive power.
https://fansided.com/2019/01/08/nylon-calculus-best-advanced-stat/

Here is the conclusion:
The best one-number metrics — BPM, PIPM, RAPM, and (probably) RPM — are actually quite good at ball-parking player value, but until we can generate more context-specific numbers, we’re still going to have to do the legwork of analyzing circumstances manually to filter out some of the noise. That, and maybe we can permanently retire PER now.

I used two different stats over the course of 4 years. The two stats I used put LA at 28th and 31st last year, nevertheless, taking 4 years into account LA only comes in around 60th.

 

[e_blazer]

Well my dad went to Benson many moons ago so I won't say anything bad about them, but with a mom, 3 sisters and myself all being Grantonians, I will always be more loyal to the Generals.

My wife went to Grant.

Since their team name is the Generals, I always thought it would be great if they named their dance team the Specifics.

My wife fails to see the humor in my wit sometimes.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

PER is too much of an offensive usage stat and last season was probably LA's best statistic season so that's cherry picking. Both PER & BPM use box-score stats, but PER uses semi-arbitrary hand-crafted weights while BPM is more mathematically sound. Here is an article that analyses various NBA advanced metrics based on predictive power.
https://fansided.com/2019/01/08/nylon-calculus-best-advanced-stat/

Here is the conclusion:
The best one-number metrics — BPM, PIPM, RAPM, and (probably) RPM — are actually quite good at ball-parking player value, but until we can generate more context-specific numbers, we’re still going to have to do the legwork of analyzing circumstances manually to filter out some of the noise. That, and maybe we can permanently retire PER now.

I used two different stats over the course of 4 years. The two stats I used put LA at 28th and 31st last year, nevertheless, taking 4 years into account LA only comes in around 60th.

I know why PER is bad, but almost all stats dont tell the whole story, and you can find stats that tell whatever story you’d like to tell.
Thats why ESPN posts all these random stats of x players is the first guy to do thing since Micheal Jordan like it some how puts Jordan Clarkson up there with Michael Jordan or something.

I get that LMA has issues in his game, but the fact is he makes the playoffs a lot, has been the best player on many of those teams. Yes he gets to play for Pop now, but the other part of that is Pop obviously saw something he really liked in LA and went after him.

 

[bobf]

I know why PER is bad, but almost all stats dont tell the whole story, and you can find stats that tell whatever story you’d like to tell.
Thats why ESPN posts all these random stats of x players is the first guy to do thing since Micheal Jordan like it some how puts Jordan Clarkson up there with Michael Jordan or something.

I get that LMA has issues in his game, but the fact is he makes the playoffs a lot, has been the best player on many of those teams. Yes he gets to play for Pop now, but the other part of that is Pop obviously saw something he really liked in LA and went after him.

Personally, I like the purity of the RPM stat as it in theory measures basically everything, even things that never appear in a box score. Sadly, it is high variance and requires years of data to be reliable. I consistently use that stat so it's not like I'm cherry picking to suit my opinion about LMA. I also referenced BPM for confirmation because I think a lot of people don't trust RPM as it seems like a magic black box.

Based on those two stats, and my personal observations of LMA games as a Blazer, I think he's overrated and 60th is about right. When I factor in the negative chemistry I think he will bring and the fact that he would probably be rather expensive, I think his net impact would be negative.

 

[CupWizier]

My wife went to Grant.

Since their team name is the Generals, I always thought it would be great if they named their dance team the Specifics.

My wife fails to see the humor in my wit sometimes.

Cool, what years did she go there?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Personally, I like the purity of the RPM stat as it in theory measures basically everything, even things that never appear in a box score. Sadly, it is high variance and requires years of data to be reliable. I consistently use that stat so it's not like I'm cherry picking to suit my opinion about LMA. I also referenced BPM for confirmation because I think a lot of people don't trust RPM as it seems like a magic black box.

Based on those two stats, and my personal observations of LMA games as a Blazer, I think he's overrated and 60th is about right. When I factor in the negative chemistry I think he will bring and the fact that he would probably be rather expensive, I think his net impact would be negative.

I meant, "You" in the more general way. I think as a Blazer Fan we observed both his really bad and his really good and obviously the way he left, and the last year or so he was here didn't go well. His Chemistry issues, I don't know if he's matured or not. Dame seems to think he has matured though.
I kind of peg him in the 20-30 range. My opinion of him as a player has gone up in SAS, and yes some of that is probably Pop's coaching, but his defense has gotten better. I'll say this though, if the Blazers can consistently get Zach giving them what he's given them the last couple times he's played decent minutes then I'd like to see Nurk and Zach be the starters at 4 / 5. Aminu on the bench next to Kanter is good enough. The other part I dislike about LMA is he seems to only flourish when the offense is built around his skillset. I don't want them to go back to the offense they ran when they had him.

 

[CupWizier]

I know why PER is bad, but almost all stats dont tell the whole story, and you can find stats that tell whatever story you’d like to tell.
Thats why ESPN posts all these random stats of x players is the first guy to do thing since Micheal Jordan like it some how puts Jordan Clarkson up there with Michael Jordan or something.

I get that LMA has issues in his game, but the fact is he makes the playoffs a lot, has been the best player on many of those teams. Yes he gets to play for Pop now, but the other part of that is Pop obviously saw something he really liked in LA and went after him.

Good points tbf as if Lillard and Pops endorse him, how much of a risk could it really be? I'll take their opinion over anyone in this forum.

 

[e_blazer]

Cool, what years did she go there?

Graduated in 1970.

Yes, that's a long time ago.

Don't tell her that I told you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Good points tbf as if Lillard and Pops endorse him, how much of a risk could it really be? I'll take their opinion over anyone in this forum.

Say the Spurs were willing to make a trade this year and were willing to take ET a pick and whatever makes it work, off the top of my head we'll say Harkless. I'd probably do that. If the Blazers had to wait til the end of the contract to get LMA, it'd have to be for like the vet minimum or something and at that point I think it would be more about getting some nice stories in the paper then what he would be doing for the basketball team.

 

[CupWizier]

Graduated in 1970.

Yes, that's a long time ago.

Don't tell her that I told you.

well then, she was there when I was as I graduated 72 and had sisters that graduated 67 and 68. Let her know I was much younger than her. She graduated with some friends that I played baseball with such as Robin Sinclair, Dan Percich, George Morgan, Artie Wilson and a few others that might have slipped my mind.

 

[e_blazer]

well then, she was there when I was as I graduated 72 and had sisters that graduated 67 and 68. Let her know I was much younger than her. She graduated with some friends that I played baseball with such as Robin Sinclair, Dan Percich, George Morgan, Artie Wilson and a few others that might have slipped my mind.

I think she is reluctant to admit she went there once she learned that The HCP is also an alumn.

 

[CupWizier]

I think she is reluctant to admit she went there once she learned that The HCP is also an alumn.

well, he's only a kid compared to us,

 

[CupWizier]

Say the Spurs were willing to make a trade this year and were willing to take ET a pick and whatever makes it work, off the top of my head we'll say Harkless. I'd probably do that. If the Blazers had to wait til the end of the contract to get LMA, it'd have to be for like the vet minimum or something and at that point I think it would be more about getting some nice stories in the paper then what he would be doing for the basketball team.

Yeah, I would really only be interested in finishing out his contract here as he will be paid much more in his next contract as no way a vet minimum will get him signed.

 

[e_blazer]

well, he's only a kid compared to us,

True. Obviously, they really relaxed their standards.

 

[bobf]

I meant, "You" in the more general way. I think as a Blazer Fan we observed both his really bad and his really good and obviously the way he left, and the last year or so he was here didn't go well. His Chemistry issues, I don't know if he's matured or not. Dame seems to think he has matured though.
I kind of peg him in the 20-30 range. My opinion of him as a player has gone up in SAS, and yes some of that is probably Pop's coaching, but his defense has gotten better. I'll say this though, if the Blazers can consistently get Zach giving them what he's given them the last couple times he's played decent minutes then I'd like to see Nurk and Zach be the starters at 4 / 5. Aminu on the bench next to Kanter is good enough. The other part I dislike about LMA is he seems to only flourish when the offense is built around his skillset. I don't want them to go back to the offense they ran when they had him.

I haven't seen LMA too much on SAS but his TS% is way up the past two years, and what I have seen, he seems to play more bully ball instead of all turn-around fade aways like he did with the Blazers. So in that respect I think Pop had made him a better player.

I also want to see Zach get lots of minutes, which is a reason I didn't much like the Kanter signing and don't want LMA. I'm an Aminu fan but I don't see the Zach vs Aminu thing as an either/or competition. If Zach ends up being the better player, more power to him. I hope he becomes way better. But two good players is better than one, assuming we can somehow keep Chief. Whoever ends up better should get more minutes, but as far as who should start, I would say whoever gels better with each unit.

The last thing you said about LMA needing the offense to revolve around his skillset is exactly one of the things I'm picturing when I say I fear his effect on team chemistry. I just don't see LMA being satisfied unless he gets his certain amount of post up touches. In contrast, I see Dame as the ultimate team player. One game he will take over the game if needed. Another game, if it's working, Dame is happy for everyone else to do all the scoring. To me Dame is kind of the opposite of LMA.