LMA has made the all star team

[PapaG]

But weren't you essentially saying that the mere fact that guys like Isiah Thomas and Kahn have those jobs makes them more knowledgeable than us lowly internet posters?

The coaches vote for the players. Not the people in management. I would think that you would know this simple fact?

 

[magnifier661]

Thomas was the coach AND the GM.

Yeah? And?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

he also traded two lotto picks for Eddy fuckin Curry and acquired both Marbury AND Steve Francis. The guy was a terrible GM.

those two picks became LMA and joakim noah i believe

 

[PapaG]

Suddenly, the Isiah Thomas straw man has taken over this thread.

By a "Commissioner", no less.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

and a child shall lead them

 

[BrianFromWA]

Aren't you supposed to bring in superstar talent?

And there's the rub. If you think Marbury and Francis were superstars when they went to NYK, then I don't know what to tell you.

Francis before he went to NYK: 16/5/5 on 43% shooting, after a 14/5/4 the year before. If he would've believed in PER, he could've seen the drop from his prime of 18-21 to a 15 when they traded for him. But hey, anytime you can pay a guy over 15 million to be at league average and declining hard, you almost have to, right?

Marbury was great for NYK in 2004-05. Then Isiah decided that if one ballhogging PG who didn't play D was good, two were better. They were superstars, donchaknow? Unfortunately for Starbury, his PER went from 21 to 16 to 13 to 4 to China.

 

[magnifier661]

Suddenly, the Isiah Thomas straw man has taken over this thread.

By a "Commissioner", no less.

Yeah I see no relevance on a gm voting that Aldridge is better than lee and gasol. Thomas was a coach, which applies, but khan or other gm stiffs aren't. And another example of a bad gm is mchale, but he's a pretty damn good coach.

Does seem a little strawman

 

[magnifier661]

And there's the rub. If you think Marbury and Francis were superstars when they went to NYK, then I don't know what to tell you.

Francis before he went to NYK: 16/5/5 on 43% shooting, after a 14/5/4 the year before. If he would've believed in PER, he could've seen the drop from his prime of 18-21 to a 15 when they traded for him. But hey, anytime you can pay a guy over 15 million to be at league average and declining hard, you almost have to, right?

Marbury was great for NYK in 2004-05. Then Isiah decided that if one ballhogging PG who didn't play D was good, two were better. They were superstars, donchaknow? Unfortunately for Starbury, his PER went from 21 to 16 to 13 to 4 to China.

No rub, just a mistake.

There was another gm that did the same thing a few times. His name was bob whitsett, who's track record made the playoffs each and every year he gm'd in Portland. But alas, he traded jerm for dale Davis, moved grant and everything else to only find bodies to compete with the lakers.

Is he a bad gm? Was bringing in smith and pippen past their prime a bad idea?

 

[Natebishop3]

Zach for frye and Francis was a fucking steal. Blackman, frye and lee are all great picks.

Marbury and Francis were in their primes when they went to ny. So fucking what? They were superstars. Aren't you supposed to bring in superstar talent?

You can look at a gm or coach in hindsight and say how terrible they are. Wonder what you were saying when Francis and Marbury were in their prime?

Are you kidding? The Francis trade was widely panned at the time, and I think very few Knicks fans want that scrub anywhere near their organization. He wasn't anywhere near his prime, but he was payed like a superstar. it was a horrible trade.

The Curry trade was horrible as well. He dealt two lotto picks for a guy that never lived up to the expectations. Marbury never worked out for them either.

We aren't talking hindsight. These moves were mocked at the time they were made. Zach Randolph didn't pull his head out of his ass until he was literally dumped for nothing by the Knicks and Clippers.

I just think it's hilarious that you think Balkman was a "great pick". That's amusing.

 

[julius]

so..LaMarcus made the all star game...

 

[BrianFromWA]

Isiah picked All-Stars. Hollins picked All-Stars (presumably based on "heart, toughness, courage" etc.?). Vinny del Negro picks All-Stars. Talent Evaluator Extraordinaire Nate McMillan picked all-Stars for a decade.

 

[BrianFromWA]

so..LaMarcus made the all star game...

this.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah I see no relevance on a gm voting that Aldridge is better than lee and gasol. Thomas was a coach, which applies, but khan or other gm stiffs aren't. And another example of a bad gm is mchale, but he's a pretty damn good coach.

Does seem a little strawman

Isiah Thomas was a coach as well...

 

[PapaG]

John Nash was a terrible GM!!!

I sure wouldn't want him voting for All-Stars!!

Oh wait, GMs don't vote for All-Stars.

 

[magnifier661]

Isiah Thomas was a coach as well...

So you think you are a better coach than Thomas?

 

[PapaG]

Isiah Thomas was a coach as well...

Thomas made the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was a coach...

 

[PapaG]

So you think you are a better coach than Thomas?

He's a 'commissioner' on S2. He knows more than Jerry West.

 

[julius]

Thomas made the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was a coach...

hold on, you were bitching about how the thread has turned into being about Thomas, and now you're contributing to it!?

 

[Natebishop3]

So you think you are a better coach than Thomas?

OMG mags.... seriously? Is that what I said? No.

To be fair, there are some coaches that I wouldn't trust picking a team for me.

Isiah Thomas was an NBA coach AND a GM....

Check mate!

And then you said

And yet Thomas would be a better coach and gm than everyone here.

I said that there are some coaches, at least historically, that I don't think should be picking All-Star teams. Isiah Thomas being pretty fuckin high on that list. You decided to defend Thomas so I had to show you the error in your ways. He's obviously a horrible talent evaluator if you look at his decision making. I definitely think there are people on this board that could do a better job than Isiah Thomas.

 

[Natebishop3]

He's a 'commissioner' on S2. He knows more than Jerry West.

Why does everything have to turn into a personal attack with you? Are you incapable of carrying on a civil debate about basketball?

 

[Run BJM]

The only way it pans out is when someone gets extremely lucky and a no brainer is available like Howard, shaq, Durant, Oden (if only healthy), Jordan, James, etc. great talent scouting helps and people, San Antonio won rings with late picks and finding diamonds in the rough.

San Antonio had two no-brainer #1 overall pick franchise big men fall into their lap. Parker and Ginobili are great players and phenomenal draft picks but they would have won dick without Duncan and (to a lesser extent) Robinson.

Dunno if Curry is necessarily a snub. CP3, Westbrook, and Parker are all easily in over him. And Kobe and Harden at SG. There's just not much room left. Then again how many fuggin PFs are on the west team now? Anyway, would have been nice for him to get in, but as a W's fan I'm not very upset that he'll have several days to rest his porcelain ankles and come out pissed in the second half.

 

[julius]

Why does everything have to turn into a personal attack with you? Are you incapable of carrying on a civil debate about basketball?

do you not see the irony in you saying that to him, when you have a link in your signature file to a comment he made...to you in another thread?

 

[Natebishop3]

Thomas made the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was a coach...

2000-01 39 NBA IND 82 41 41 .500 0.0 4 4 1 3 .250
2001-02 40 NBA IND 82 42 40 .512 1.0 4 5 2 3 .400
2002-03 41 NBA IND 82 48 34 .585 7.0 2 6 2 4 .333
2006-07 45 NBA NYK 82 33 49 .402 -8.0 4
2007-08 46 NBA NYK 82 23 59 .280 -18.0 5

Those are some stellar records right there.... 41-41, 42-40, 48-34, 33-49, and 23-59.... COY baby!

 

[PapaG]

hold on, you were bitching about how the thread has turned into being about Thomas, and now you're contributing to it!?

It's obvious nothing is going to happen about it. Let NateBishop03 prove his little point, I guess. I have no idea what he's even trying to communicate at this point.

 

[PapaG]

2000-01 39 NBA IND 82 41 41 .500 0.0 4 4 1 3 .250
2001-02 40 NBA IND 82 42 40 .512 1.0 4 5 2 3 .400
2002-03 41 NBA IND 82 48 34 .585 7.0 2 6 2 4 .333
2006-07 45 NBA NYK 82 33 49 .402 -8.0 4
2007-08 46 NBA NYK 82 23 59 .280 -18.0 5

Those are some stellar records right there.... 41-41, 42-40, 48-34, 33-49, and 23-59.... COY baby!

What's your glitch?

 

[PapaG]

Why does everything have to turn into a personal attack with you? Are you incapable of carrying on a civil debate about basketball?

You have me in your signature, 'genius'. Get a fucking grip. Tough day?

 

[PapaG]

do you not see the irony in you saying that to him, when you have a link in your signature file to a comment he made...to you in another thread?

Um, yeah. Repped.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I know that I am smarter than any past or current GM or coach in the NBA and I think that LMA should be an all star.

/Close Thread

 

[julius]

I know that I am smarter than any past or current GM or coach in the NBA and I think that LMA should be an all star.

/Close Thread

I know that I am smarter than *SlyPokerDog* and I just lost motivation to continue this post.


/thread closed

 

[Natebishop3]

The negative comments are filtering in from ESPN...

4. Which West All-Star is the biggest surprise?

Drexler: LaMarcus Aldridge. He's having a great offensive season, but did you know that his opponents make more than 50 percent of the shots they take against him? All-Stars are two-way players. Aldridge seemed a bit one-dimensional compared to his contemporaries.

Gallagher: Zach Randolph. The West is already pretty big, and if I had to pick a Grizzly I'd go with Marc Gasol. I know that "defense" and "All-Star Game" aren't two things you normally see together, but Gasol simply would be more valuable on that end than Randolph.

Gutierrez: LaMarcus Aldridge. His numbers don't stand out. He's having his worst season in three years. His team's record isn't great. His teammates, Nicolas Batum and Damien Lillard, could be considered more game-changing players. I'd rather see a Denver Nugget or Marc Gasol make the squad.

Herbert: LaMarcus Aldridge. The numbers are mostly stellar, but he's having the least efficient campaign of his career. Shooting long jumpers more frequently and less accurately, Aldridge is making just 46.8 percent of his field goal attempts. A terrific player, but not one who has particularly stood out this season.

Highkin: None of the three top reserve power-forward candidates (LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph, and David Lee) are surprises per se, but the fact that all three got in at the expense of the best center in the West, Marc Gasol, was unexpected.

http://espn.go.com/nba/allstar2013/...124-25/2013-nba-all-star-game-snubs-surprises

All-Stars are two-way players? That's a riot. I don't think Carmelo has played a day of defense in his life.