Notice LONGTIME NBA ANALYST (MARK STEIN) PREDICTS BLAZERS WILL TRADE MCCOLLUM

[BonesJones]

Staying healthy.

Over the last 3 years, Tyreke Evans has missed 30, 42 and 57 games. That's a lot of time in a suit behind the bench. Over those same 3 years C.J. has missed 1, 2 and 2 games. and of the 5 games he missed, 1 was for leaving the bench in a preseason game and one was because Doc Rivers is a dick. He's actually only sat out 3 games in the last 3 years due to injury.

Compare that to the 129 games Tyreke has missed over the same span. I'll take the guy who actually laces up his sneakers and plays every night over the guy who had a great 52-game "season" on the heels of two mediocre "seasons" were he only played 40 and 25 games.

You can't guard 3-positions when you're sitting behind the bench in a suit.

BNM

Dude, you're good enough at making your point that you dont need to purposefully exclude context in regards to Tyreke and then provide as much context as possible in regards to CJs absences. Last season, Tyreke missed a ton of time for non-injury related reasons. Maybe you didnt know that... Only 2 seasons out of 9 did he have major injury issues. In his first 6 seasons, he played in 83% of games. Add in last year excluded time he missed with non-injury related reasons and that number rises.

Why is 2 seasons the rule, while 7 other seasons are the abboration? Makes no sense.

It's also a part of the answer to your question as to why Tyreke is so cheap. Signing Tyreke for half McCollums pay would have more upside, because theres a possibility that Tyreke would be relatively healthy (like last year) and would provide the same production, while we could then use those savings as capspace or TO get low enough below the hard cap to use our Full-TPE.

 

[BonesJones]

Don't know why this thread from Jan was bumped but I'm almost certain CJ will not get traded..last Jan was before the trade deadline...Stein was grasping for click bait at that time..Olshey says Curry will will log time at the guard spots and Stauskas will play some 3..also said he aggressively targeted 5 vet wings and got outbid by all of them..wasn't in the cards...our 7 rotation players from last year will still be rotation players..8 and 9 will be Curry and Stauskas...10 will be a battle for a spot...Layman will have to beat Stauskas for a spot...Trent will have to beat Curry

I think Trent will compete with Turner. They look at Trent as more of a SF wing type.

 

[BonesJones]

For CJ it's an even smaller sample size than Tyreke had last season but look at the last 3 years in games that Dame didn't play. In 2016-17 it was only 5 games but CJ averaged 31.2 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 4.6 assists per game and his FG shooting was 49.1%. It's hard to know how that would extrapolate to a full season and I'm too lazy to look up the stats for the last year but I'd take that over what Tyreke did last year.

Small sample size, and it changes when teams consistently gameplan for you being the man. I also rememeber going against pretty bad teams in those situations. There's no reason Tyreke couldn't produce the same numbers here as he did last year.

 

[BonesJones]

You could, but i didn't. Evans also has injury issues and is 3 years older.

2 seasons out of 9 in which he had major injury issues. The other 7 seasons he's playe over 80% of games (last year he missed time due to non-injury related reasons). It's a lazy narrative.

 

[STOMP]

Washington already has Bradley Beil.

True. I'd thought it was clear we weren't being concerned with trading likelyhoods. More just expressing support of having this current roster + Porter Jr. at SF because his skillset would seem to fit so well

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dude, you're good enough at making your point that you dont need to purposefully exclude context in regards to Tyreke and then provide as much context as possible in regards to CJs absences. Last season, Tyreke missed a ton of time for non-injury related reasons. Maybe you didnt know that... Only 2 seasons out of 9 did he have major injury issues. In his first 6 seasons, he played in 83% of games. Add in last year excluded time he missed with non-injury related reasons and that number rises.

Why is 2 seasons the rule, while 7 other seasons are the abboration? Makes no sense.

It's also a part of the answer to your question as to why Tyreke is so cheap. Signing Tyreke for half McCollums pay would have more upside, because theres a possibility that Tyreke would be relatively healthy (like last year) and would provide the same production, while we could then use those savings as capspace or TO get low enough below the hard cap to use our Full-TPE.

It's not just two seasons, it's just that he's missed even more games in the last three years than he did earlier in his career. In his 9-year career, he's never played more than 79 games (once). C.J. played in 80, 80 and 81 the last three years. Here's Tyreke's season by season games played:

72
57
63
65
72
79
25
40
54

That's a hell of a lot of missed games, any way you slice it. In 9 seasons, he's missed at least 10 games 7 times and at least 17 games 5 times. The one season he played 79 games is the aeration here.

Sometimes, it seems like you just like to argue to argue. The fact is, Tyreke Evans is FAR less durable than C.J. McCollum. I honestly don't see how you can disagree when the data is so clear.

EDIT: Oops, I forgot that 2012-13 was the lockout shortened season, so I've revised the numbers above.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

2 seasons out of 9 in which he had major injury issues. The other 7 seasons he's playe over 80% of games (last year he missed time due to non-injury related reasons). It's a lazy narrative.

It's not a lazy narrative at all. It's a fact. It's an irrefutable fact that a guy who has played 25, 40 and 54 games the last three seasons is less durable than a guy who has played 80, 80 and 81 games.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

It's not just two seasons, it's just that he's missed even more games in the last three years than he did earlier in his career. In his 9-year career, he's never played more than 79 games (once). C.J. played in 80, 80 and 81 the last three years. Here's Tyreke's season by season games played:

72
57
63
65
72
79
25
40
54

That's a hell of a lot of missed games, any way you slice it. In 9 seasons, he's missed at least 10 games 7 times and at least 17 games 5 times. The one season he played 79 games is the aeration here.

Sometimes, it seems like you just like to argue to argue. The fact is, Tyreke Evans is FAR less durable than C.J. McCollum. I honestly don't see how you can disagree when the data is so clear.

EDIT: Oops, I forgot that 2012-13 was the lockout shortened season, so I've revised the numbers above.

BNM

It's not a lazy narrative at all. It's a fact. It's an irrefutable fact that a guy who has played 25, 40 and 54 games the last three seasons is less durable than a guy who has played 80, 80 and 81 games.

BNM

I'm not saying that CJ isn't more durable, I'm saying that based off previous seasons, Tyreke doesn't have durability issues or legitimate injury concerns.

Again, youre refusing to point out that he had a ton of games missed last year because of NON-INJURY REASONS. You state that I :like to argue just to argue", but you started this debate and then then dont even read what I have to say. SMH.

I frgot the lockout too. That means in his first 6 seasons he played in 6 out of every 7 games. (85.7%).

Last year, he missed games due to NON-INJURY RELATED reasons.

Like I said, 2 seasons with major injury issues (where he missed more than a third of his games DUE TO INJURY). I used caps so hopefully you'd read it this time.

 

[hoopsjock]

Small sample size, and it changes when teams consistently gameplan for you being the man. I also rememeber going against pretty bad teams in those situations. There's no reason Tyreke couldn't produce the same numbers here as he did last year.

So teams gameplanned for Tyreke shooting nearly 40% from 3 this year? Or is it more likely they didn't believe the hot shooting would continue and were willing to live with him making 3's versus getting to the rack, which he excels at?

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm not saying that CJ isn't more durable, I'm saying that based off previous seasons, Tyreke doesn't have durability issues or legitimate injury concerns.

Again, youre refusing to point out that he had a ton of games missed last year because of NON-INJURY REASONS. You state that I :like to argue just to argue", but you started this debate and then then dont even read what I have to say. SMH.

I frgot the lockout too. That means in his first 6 seasons he played in 6 out of every 7 games. (85.7%).

Last year, he missed games due to NON-INJURY RELATED reasons.

Like I said, 2 seasons with major injury issues (where he missed more than a third of his games DUE TO INJURY). I used caps so hopefully you'd read it this time.

To be fair, he missed both games because of injuries and because of non-injury related issues.

 

[BonesJones]

To be fair, he missed both games because of injuries and because of non-injury related issues.

He missed a small amount of time to a rib injury. That's not something that's reoccurring, and Memphis likely used it as an excuse to sit him so that they could tank. It's disingenuous to say "he only played 54 games last year" when talking about him being injury prone.

 

[hoopsjock]

He missed a small amount of time to a rib injury. That's not something that's reoccurring, and Memphis likely used it as an excuse to sit him so that they could tank. It's disingenuous to say "he only played 54 games last year" when talking about him being injury prone.

Dumbest front office decision of the entire season last year was Memphis not trading him at the deadline.

 

[BonesJones]

Dumbest front office decision of the entire season last year was Memphis not trading him at the deadline.

Could've at least traded their 2nd. I bet Portland would've traded their 1st (24th Pick) for Tyreke and Memphis' 2nd (32nd Pick).

 

[hoopsjock]

Could've at least traded their 2nd. I bet Portland would've traded their 1st (24th Pick) for Tyreke and Memphis' 2nd (32nd Pick).

Yeah or trade him for a young guy that had a chance to make your roster this year. Look at all the young players that got traded this summer on rookie deals for cash/nothing or all the restricted free agents they could've kept for cheap if they showed them anything (heck why not take Napier back?).

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not saying that CJ isn't more durable, I'm saying that based off previous seasons, Tyreke doesn't have durability issues or legitimate injury concerns.

Again, youre refusing to point out that he had a ton of games missed last year because of NON-INJURY REASONS. You state that I :like to argue just to argue", but you started this debate and then then dont even read what I have to say. SMH.

I frgot the lockout too. That means in his first 6 seasons he played in 6 out of every 7 games. (85.7%).

Last year, he missed games due to NON-INJURY RELATED reasons.

Like I said, 2 seasons with major injury issues (where he missed more than a third of his games DUE TO INJURY). I used caps so hopefully you'd read it this time.

Jeezus christ. You asked one way C.J. was better than Tyreke and I gave you one - staying healthy. And, in spite if indisputable, irrefutable proof, you continue to argue about it. Even if we agree to pretend he didn't miss a single injury due to injury last season, Tyreke Evans missed 42 and 57 games due to injury the previous two seasons. C.J. missed total of 4 games to Tyreke's 99. So yes, C.J. is better at staying healthy than Tyreke.

You say he's only had two seasons with major injuries. Big deal, it's been two of the last three seasons. As players age, they tend to be more susceptible to injury and take longer to recover. Regardless of what happened prior in his career, the fact that Tyreke has had major injuries two of the last three seasons is not a good tend.

And no, I did not "start this debate". I answered your question and you are the one that chose to turn it into a "debate". The fact remains, C.J., is better at staying healthy than Tyreke. Given the evidence, I don't even know how you managed to turn a simple fact into a multi-response "debate", but you did.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Jeezus christ. You asked one way C.J. was better than Tyreke and I gave you one - staying healthy. And, in spite if indisputable, irrefutable proof, you continue to argue about it. Even if we agree to pretend he didn't miss a single injury due to injury last season, Tyreke Evans missed 42 and 57 games due to injury the previous two seasons. C.J. missed total of 4 games to Tyreke's 99. So yes, C.J. is better at staying healthy than Tyreke.

You say he's only had two seasons with major injuries. Big deal, it's been two of the last three seasons. As players age, they tend to be more susceptible to injury and take longer to recover. Regardless of what happened prior in his career, the fact that Tyreke has had major injuries two of the last three seasons is not a good tend.

And no, I did not "start this debate". I answered your question and you are the one that chose to turn it into a "debate". The fact remains, C.J., is better at staying healthy than Tyreke. Given the evidence, I don't even know how you managed to turn a simple fact into a multi-response "debate", but you did.

BNM

Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it.

If Tyreke gets hurt for half the year was he right?
It’s really hard to gauge when a guy is prone to injuries or not, but the fact Tyreke is older And has missed time the last few years sometimes because of injuries (sometimes not), is something to be concerned with. Not that it makes him worthless because he’s still a solid player.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it.

I am not implying anything. I am clearly stating EXACTLY what I mean. You said name one thing C.J. is better at that Tyreke Evans. I said staying healthy. That is not false. You are not "correcting" anything. It is 100% accurate and true. How many major injuries has C.J. had in the last three years? ZERO. How many major injuries has Tyreke Evans had in the last three years? TWO (plus several minor injuries).

TWO > ZERO.

Evans had three knee surgeries during the 2015-16 season alone. He was unable to play for 11 months. C.J. has has zero surgeries of any kind during the last 3 years.

How can you possibly say may statement that C.J. has stayed healthier than Tyreke is false?

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

I am not implying anything. I am clearly stating EXACTLY what I mean. You said name one thing C.J. is better at that Tyreke Evans. I said staying healthy. That is not false. You are not "correcting" anything. It is 100% accurate and true. How many major injuries has C.J. had in the last three years? ZERO. How many major injuries has Tyreke Evans had in the last three years? TWO (plus several minor injuries).

TWO > ZERO.

Evans had three knee surgeries during the 2015-16 season alone. He was unable to play for 11 months. C.J. has has zero surgeries of any kind during the last 3 years.

How can you possibly say may statement that C.J. has stayed healthier than Tyreke is false?

BNM

CJ had that foot injury so 2 > 1? Haha.

I already said I wasn't saying that statement was false. I guess you didn't see that either.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If Tyreke gets hurt for half the year was he right?
It’s really hard to gauge when a guy is prone to injuries or not, but the fact Tyreke is older And has missed time the last few years sometimes because of injuries (sometimes not), is something to be concerned with. Not that it makes him worthless because he’s still a solid player.

Tyreke Evans has a history of knee problems in both knees going back over 5 years. After his 3rd knee surgery in 9 months, the New Orleans trainer released the following statement:

"Brooks said Evans has a history of bilateral knee cartilage wear and trace of fusion on both knees that dates back to before the 2013 sign-and-trade that brought him to New Orleans."

I'd say a five year history of knee problems that has led to multiple surgeries meets the definition of injury prone.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

I'm not saying that CJ isn't more durable, I'm saying that based off previous seasons, Tyreke doesn't have durability issues or legitimate injury concerns.

Again, youre refusing to point out that he had a ton of games missed last year because of NON-INJURY REASONS. You state that I :like to argue just to argue", but you started this debate and then then dont even read what I have to say. SMH.

I frgot the lockout too. That means in his first 6 seasons he played in 6 out of every 7 games. (85.7%).

Last year, he missed games due to NON-INJURY RELATED reasons.

Like I said, 2 seasons with major injury issues (where he missed more than a third of his games DUE TO INJURY). I used caps so hopefully you'd read it this time.

 

[Boob-No-More]

CJ had that foot injury so 2 > 1? Haha.

I already said I wasn't saying that statement was false. I guess you didn't see that either.

C.J.'s last significant injury was 5 years ago. Tyreke has had multiple knee surgeries for separate injuries within the last three years.

You said specifically in the post I quoted: "Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it."

You are not correcting anything.

Three knee surgeries, for separate injuries within a 9 month span, meets all reasonable definitions of injury prone. A five year history of knee problems is a huge red flag.

C.J. was injured prior to the start of his rookie season and has been healthy since. Big difference, and that was my point. C.J, has managed to stay healthy. Tyreke has not.

Again, games played over the past three seasons:

Tyreke 25, 40, 54
C.J. 80, 80, 81

Yeah Tyreke missed some games last season for personal reasons, but all of the games he missed in 2015-16, most of the games he missed in 2016-17, and at least 10 of the games he missed in 2017-18 were all due to injury. That's 109 games missed due to injury vs. 3. So yeah, C.J. is better than Tyreke at staying healthy. Your position is absurd, and the fact you can't seem to admit it is even more absurd.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not saying that CJ isn't more durable, I'm saying that based off previous seasons, Tyreke doesn't have durability issues or legitimate injury concerns.

The bold part is 100% false. Read what the NOP trainer said about Tyreke's knees after three knee surgeries in 9 months. He has chronic knee issues. They are only going to get worse.

How can you possibly say a guy who has only played 25, 40 and 54 games over the last three seasons doesn't have durability issues?

Look, we get it. You like Tyreke and he's your latest man crush. I guess what they say is true, love really is blind.

BNM

 

[Lanny]

http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/s...cts-blazers-will-trade-mccollum/283-509315945

KGW's Orlando Sanchez, Jared Cowley and Nate Hanson talked about Stein's prediction during this week's 3-on-3 Blazers podcast. Here's a transcript of their conversation.

PORTLAND, Ore. — In his NBA newsletter published on Thursday, longtime NBA reporter Marc Stein, who now works for The New York Times, had a pretty interesting prediction about the Blazers.

According to Stein, the Blazers will trade CJ McCollum this year.

This was a prediction, not a report. But some of the predictions by Stein seemed to be based on things he’s hearing around the league, and there are few with more NBA connections than Stein.

KGW's Orlando Sanchez, Jared Cowley and Nate Hanson talked about Stein's prediction during this week's 3-on-3 Blazers podcast. Here’s a transcript of their conversation.

Orlando: Here’s what [Stein] said about the Blazers: “This is the year Portland will break up the potent backcourt of Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. The Blazers don’t want to trade either one, especially when they awoke Wednesday ranked seventh in the league in defensive efficiency despite the annual external skepticism about the pairing’s capabilities at that end of the floor. But the easiest path to balancing the roster is by parting with one of their two guards — most likely McCollum — for a package headlined by a frontcourt player on their level. No one’s suggesting it’ll happen before the Feb. 8 trade deadline, but Portland’s latest so-so season threatens to be the impetus that finally pushes the longtime Blazers owner Paul Allen in a new direction.” Guys, what’s up with that?

Nate: We don’t want to get too deep into this this week. We talked a lot about this potential scenario last week, and I’m sure we’ll talk about it as we get closer and closer to the trade deadline. It’s interesting that someone, like you said, with his type of connections believes this will be what ultimately happens with this pair. So I’ll just leave it at that and we’ll talk about it more later.

Jared: And it’s also, the key thing for me is he said, “No one is suggesting it will happen before the Feb. 8 trade deadline.” He didn’t say, “I’m not suggesting,” he said, “No one is suggesting,” and that makes me think that this kind of chatter is going around the league. Whether that chatter is coming from Portland or not, that’s the question. But, you also had the report from John Canzano less than a month ago that Paul Allen is putting some feelers out there about what the rest of the league thinks about the Blazers roster.

Nate: And he’s 100 percent right, that the easiest way to try to balance this roster is trading CJ McCollum.

Orlando: He’s a desirable piece.

Jared: And it doesn’t say it’s to blow up the team. It doesn’t say trade him for a great draft pick or anything. It says for a frontcourt player on [Damian Lillard or CJ McCollum’s] level. I don’t think the Blazers would go trade CJ McCollum for, say, the Nets pick from the Cavaliers. I think if they were going to trade CJ McCollum, it would be for a small forward or a power forward who is on the same level as McCollum, you know, a potential All-Star or an existing All-Star.

Nate: Let’s just leave it that.

Jared: It’s really fun.

Nate: We’re going to have so much more …

Jared: We have two more weeks until the trade deadline, so we’ll get back into it.

Nate: And we have the rest of the season.

Orlando: It’s just a bomb from someone with clout, to at least throw that out there.

According to Pritchard, once you hear about a rumor it's already dead.

 

[BonesJones]

The bold part is 100% false. Read what the NOP trainer said about Tyreke's knees after three knee surgeries in 9 months. He has chronic knee issues. They are only going to get worse.

How can you possibly say a guy who has only played 25, 40 and 54 games over the last three seasons doesn't have durability issues?

Look, we get it. You like Tyreke and he's your latest man crush. I guess what they say is true, love really is blind.

BNM

Don't degrade your own posts.

Glad you actually read it before forming an opinion though.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

@BonesJones
I don’t want to make this weirdly personal, but I guess what’s kind of throwing me is I have never once heard someone imply that Tyreke Evans is a better player than CJ. - Maybe I’m wrong here but that seems to be what you’re saying -
A.) I’m not so sure I agree.
B) I realize you and a few others spend much more time on the numbers then I do (not that I’m completely ignorant), but I just don’t see it. He’s never really been a winner in the NBA.
C) I’m not sure Tyreke is a better fit with the Blazers than CJ is, but he might be.
D)Tyreke does have some concerns with durability.
Not sure why I did the ABC’s but I’m having a hard time mentally jumping that Tyreke is better than CJ hurdle.

 

[BonesJones]

@BonesJones
I don’t want to make this weirdly personal, but I guess what’s kind of throwing me is I have never once heard someone imply that Tyreke Evans is a better player than CJ. - Maybe I’m wrong here but that seems to be what you’re saying -
A.) I’m not so sure I agree.
B) I realize you and a few others spend much more time on the numbers then I do (not that I’m completely ignorant), but I just don’t see it. He’s never really been a winner in the NBA.
C) I’m not sure Tyreke is a better fit with the Blazers than CJ is, but he might be.
D)Tyreke does have some concerns with durability.
Not sure why I did the ABC’s but I’m having a hard time mentally jumping that Tyreke is better than CJ hurdle.

People put to much emphasis on "so and so hasn't won much".. teams win, teams lose. I dont think he should be blamed for being in bad situations. He's helped his teams when he's seen the court.

Maybe Tyreke gets injured, but I think it's a realistic possibility he remains healthy. Maybe he regressed from last year, but I think it's a realistic possibility he doesnt. If he maintains that level of play and stays healthy, he's probably a better player (if you want my statistical observations as to why I think that, let me know). Not only is he a better player, but he's a cheaper player and a better fit.

I shouldn't say he is better, since that opinion would be just based off his production last year (which was better), and based off caveots, but I think that the price tag makes the gamble a better one.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

People put to much emphasis on "so and so hasn't won much".. teams win, teams lose. I dont think he should be blamed for being in bad situations. He's helped his teams when he's seen the court.

Maybe Tyreke gets injured, but I think it's a realistic possibility he remains healthy. Maybe he regressed from last year, but I think it's a realistic possibility he doesnt. If he maintains that level of play and stays healthy, he's probably a better player (if you want my statistical observations as to why I think that, let me know). Not only is he a better player, but he's a cheaper player and a better fit.

I shouldn't say he is better, since that opinion would be just based off his production last year (which was better), and based off caveots, but I think that the price tag makes the gamble a better one.

I think CJ’s a much more explosive scorer, and I admit that may be his only skill (right now) better than Evans, but in theory he still has a year or two where he could get better at some of the things he’s not as proficient at, Evans is more than likely on the down swing of his career even if he stays healthy.
When I get home I can go do some research and check out the stats (I’m not that lazy) .

I think winning is important and yes you can get caught up in judging guys who were just in bad situations (he played in freaking Sacramento), but’s it’s significant to do more than just get good stats too.

 

[BonesJones]

I think CJ’s a much more explosive scorer, and I admit that may be his only skill (right now) better than Evans, but in theory he still has a year or two where he could get better at some of the things he’s not as proficient at, Evans is more than likely on the down swing of his career even if he stays healthy.
When I get home I can go do some research and check out the stats (I’m not that lazy) .

I think winning is important and yes you can get caught up in judging guys who were just in bad situations (he played in freaking Sacramento), but’s it’s significant to do more than just get good stats too.

Do you mean explosive as he can go for 40 and when he's hot he's dynamite? I agree with that. However, if you say that then you have to say that Tyreke is a more consistent scorer. Believe it or not, but Tyreke scored at a higher and more efficient clip than C.J. did last year. I'll throw in their scoring stats just because I'm on a laptop now:

Last Season (Per 36):
T.E. - 22.6pts, 48.2% (2pt), 39.9% (3pt)
C.J. - 21.3pts, 46.5% (2pt), 39.7% (3pt)

Tyreke also had 6.0 assists per 36 (compared to only 3.3 for McCollum).
Tyreke had 5.9 rebounds per 36 (compared to only 4.0 for McCollum).
Tyreke is a better defender than McCollum.

All this summed up in 2017-2018 BPM:
T.E. - 3.6BPM
C.J. - 0.4BPM

 

[tykendo]

Tyreke is a nice player, but in no way would I trade CJ for him. And he IS, injury prone.