Love gets in over Aldridge

[MickZagger]

John Hollinger's twitter

No one cares if you collect 6 rebounds in the final 5 minutes of a game when you're losing by 15+. Coaches/scouts see this.

Exaggeration at its finest.

But, still, should he just not try because his team is down?

 

[Sex Panther]

PapaG, I don't know you too well, but it seems like you're nitpicking with the stats.

You don't favor them when need be, but somehow use them to push a narrative.

 

[RoyToy]

Exaggeration at its finest.

But, still, should he just not try because his team is down?

You should always play hard.

Playing hard and garbage time stats shouldn't make you an all-star, though.

 

[MickZagger]

You should always play hard.

Playing hard and garbage time stats shouldn't make you an all-star, though.

He made the AS team because of garbage time stats? okay.

 

[Ed O]

I also 'love' that thinking LMA is a better player, and more worthy of an All-Star slot than Love, is a minority position to take on a Blazer forum.

Yep. It's good that we have a forum that is generally aligned with reality in at least this case

Ed O.

 

[RoyToy]

He made the AS team because of garbage time stats? okay.

He made the all-star team because of Stern and Stern alone on an injury replacement. Big deal and there are certainly factors that play into that decision.

The coaches on the other hand didn't vote him in. That speaks volumes to me. If you ask John Hollinger he'll tell you that apparently NBA coaches don't have a great respect for his game. If true, sounds like NBA coaches agree with my line of thinking. He's also a part of a piss poor team.

If you have a problem with that you can take it up with John Hollinger and the coaches in the NBA.

 

[Ed O]

The coaches on the other hand didn't vote him in. That speaks volumes to me. If you ask John Hollinger he'll tell you that apparently NBA coaches don't have a great respect for his game. If true, sounds like NBA coaches agree with my line of thinking. He's also a part of a piss poor team.

If the coaches didn't vote Aldridge in, either, even though he's on a better team... what must they think of him?

Haha. Your logic is silly here, man.

Ed O.

 

[MickZagger]

Thats it guys. I think you're right. Stern is a racist

 

[RoyToy]

If the coaches didn't vote Aldridge in, either, even though he's on a better team... what must they think of him?

Haha. Your logic is silly here, man.

Ed O.

Idk what they think of Aldridge's game. I'm not a mind reader.

However, John Hollinger dropped the nugget that they don't have a great respect for Love's game. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hollinger.

In the end Aldridge didn't make it because the Spurs have the best record in the league so Tim Duncan got the spot. Right or wrong it doesn't really surprise me. Had more to do with that than Aldridge's game.

"haha"

 

[Pinwheel1]

11 fucking wins. That is the only stat I give a shit about. Allstars carry their teams to victories. Love is a very good player. I wish we had him. But it is laughable for me to consider him an allstar this year. Not with the WORST record in the west. That is nothing to reward or celebrate.

 

[KingSpeed]

Zach's playing alongside a max player in Rudy Gay.

LMA is carrying Portland with guards who can't shoot and a center who can't jump.

How much a player is getting paid this season has very little to do with how good they are. Jermaine O'Neal's making a lot of money this year too. Aldridge has two very talented vets in Camby and Miller and two youngsters that are playing well in Batum and Matthews.

 

[STOMP]

"I remember sitting on a plane last year with [team president David Kahn]," Love said. "He said 'Maybe one day you'll be in the game on Sunday.' I was thinking to myself 'Wouldn't it be nice if it was back home in L.A.,' and here I am."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/allstar2011/news/story?id=6091625

STOMP

 

[Sex Panther]

I think it has little to do with Love coming back home and more with him actually having a great individual season

 

[Ed O]

In the end Aldridge didn't make it because the Spurs have the best record in the league so Tim Duncan got the spot. Right or wrong it doesn't really surprise me. Had more to do with that than Aldridge's game.

Zach Randolph's team has a better record AND Zach has a better PER. Why shouldn't he have made it ahead of Aldridge?

Ed O.

 

[RR7]

Zach Randolph's team has a better record AND Zach has a better PER. Why shouldn't he have made it ahead of Aldridge?

Ed O.

Hmm, I would guess it has something to do with the inability of Stern or the coaches to see into the future, but who knows.

 

[PapaG]

It's refreshing to see the Blazer players know who is more valuable, and more worthy of being an All-Star. I'm guessing Love is going to get everybody's 'A' game from now on, because it doesn't appear that his stat-padding while being on a shitty team is winning him many fans in terms or coaches or players.

Love's the MVP of the Fantasy Dorks, though.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/02/indiana_100_portland_87_pacers.html

After the game, his lips opened.

"It just shows there's a lot of politics in it, man," Aldridge said of Stern's choice. "It's not about leading your team to victories or about making your team better, it's about stats.

"First of all, I have nothing against Kevin Love, he is a really good player," Aldridge said. "But I thought All-Star was about making your team better, making your record better. Keeping your team in the right direction. That's the way it has always been in the past. But now I know: It's about stats, not record."

It was quite the topic in the Blazers locker room afterward, perhaps a way to deflect their frustrations at another poor shooting night (36.4 percent), and another atrocious display of transition defense that led to 61 first-half points -- 20 on the fast break.

Andre Miller, who was outspoken on Thursday about rookie Blake Griffin's selection, chuckled when he heard the news.

"What's Minnesota's record?" he asked. When told it was 11-38, he nodded. "That's what I thought. Enough said right there."
Wesley Matthews had his own laugh too, marveling at how the head-to-head matchups between Aldridge and Love this season were heavily weighted in Aldridge's favor, both statistically and with the Blazers' 3-0 record.

In three games against Love this season, Aldridge averaged 33.7 points, 10.7 rebounds and shot 62.1 percent from the field.

 

[PapaG]

Zach Randolph's team has a better record AND Zach has a better PER. Why shouldn't he have made it ahead of Aldridge?

Ed O.

Maybe he should have made it over LMA. I disagree, because Zach has Rudy Gay also scoring 20ppg to alleviate some of the pressure to produce every night on offense, but both Zach and LMA deserve to be in over Kevin Love.

 

[julius]

Zach Randolph's team has a better record AND Zach has a better PER. Why shouldn't he have made it ahead of Aldridge?

Ed O.

The Grizzlies now have a better record, but not when Stern (or the coaches) made the choice.

Zach, though, does have a good argument for being shafted (along with LaMarcus). I just hope that LaMarcus takes this (perceived) slight and uses it for motivation for the rest of the season.

Kind of like "oh, you want stats? I'll show you stats" and scores like 50 points, grabs 20 boards, and blocks like 9 shots today.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess the reason why this bothers me is because it reminds me of when Zach was ripping it up for the Blazers and he couldn't get a sniff of the AStar game. Why was that? Bad rep? Bad record? About the only difference between Zach then and Kevin Love now is that Love has kept his nose clean. Other than that, they were both on shitty teams, they were putting up great numbers, and they were both stat whores.

 

[PapaG]

The Grizzlies now have a better record, but not when Stern (or the coaches) made the choice.

Zach, though, does have a good argument for being shafted (along with LaMarcus). I just hope that LaMarcus takes this (perceived) slight and uses it for motivation for the rest of the season.

Kind of like "oh, you want stats? I'll show you stats" and scores like 50 points, grabs 20 boards, and blocks like 9 shots today.

Something tells me that LMA would take 15/8/2 if it means the Blazers win the game. Love would probably be crying in the corner if he "only" had that production and the team won. He's having a "memorable" season, man! What's the difference between 19 or 20 wins when there is a 20/15 season to be had?

Haha!

 

[Ed O]

I guess the reason why this bothers me is because it reminds me of when Zach was ripping it up for the Blazers and he couldn't get a sniff of the AStar game. Why was that? Bad rep? Bad record? About the only difference between Zach then and Kevin Love now is that Love has kept his nose clean. Other than that, they were both on shitty teams, they were putting up great numbers, and they were both stat whores.

Love's numbers are markedly better than Zach's were, though. Zach didn't lead the NBA in rebounds and his PER only broke 20 once as a Blazer. Love's PER last year was 20.7 and it's 24.5 so far this year... if he ends with that level, it will be one of the top 200 NBA seasons ever according to PER.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

I guess the reason why this bothers me is because it reminds me of when Zach was ripping it up for the Blazers and he couldn't get a sniff of the AStar game. Why was that? Bad rep? Bad record? About the only difference between Zach then and Kevin Love now is that Love has kept his nose clean. Other than that, they were both on shitty teams, they were putting up great numbers, and they were both stat whores.

Love did whine about not starting and not being used correctly by Rambis. Now that the entire team is built around Love, they still suck ass.

The biggest difference, IMO, is that Love is white, and Zach/LMA aren't. Gotta keep trying to pull White America toward the NBA, eh Stern?

 

[julius]

Something tell me that LMA would take 15/8/2 if it means the Blazers win the game. Love would probably be crying in the corner if he "only" had that production and the team won. He's having a "memorable" season, man!

Haha!

I can see it now..if LaMarcus scores the stats you suggested, and the team wins, it'll "prove" (to some) that he stopped caring.

Oh, the ups and downs of this message board.


and btw, if you're not sure if I was being snide towards you, check your reputation thingy.

 

[Ed O]

Something tells me that LMA would take 15/8/2 if it means the Blazers win the game. Love would probably be crying in the corner if he "only" had that production and the team won. He's having a "memorable" season, man! What's the difference between 19 or 20 wins when there is a 20/15 season to be had?

Aldridge is leading his team all the way to the 9th seed.

Giddyup!

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

I can see it now..if LaMarcus scores the stats you suggested, and the team wins, it'll "prove" (to some) that he stopped caring.

Oh, the ups and downs of this message board.


and btw, if you're not sure if I was being snide towards you, check your reputation thingy.

Oh, I know we're on the same page here. We haven't had a lot to cheer about this year, outside of LMA's turning into a franchise player, so when a guy from an 11-win team who gets his ass handed to him by LMA in head-to-head matchups gets chosen because of politics, some of us are going to complain about it.

 

[PapaG]

Aldridge is leading his team all the way to the 9th seed.

Giddyup!

Ed O.

Love is leading his team to a Top 3 pick. The good news is, they might be able to draft an actual franchise player that can turn his shitty team around. Love might whine because he won't be getting 20/15 anymore though.

Haha!

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings yesterday, Ed. You're just soooo predictable.

 

[Ed O]

Love is leading his team to a Top 3 pick. The good news is, they might be able to draft an actual franchise player that can turn his shitty team around.

Haha!

I'd rather have a top three pick and a 22 year-old all-star than Aldridge and the final lottery pick, that's for sure.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

I'd rather have a top three pick and a 22 year-old all-star than Aldridge and the final lottery pick, that's for sure.

Ed O.

That's neat, Ed. Thanks for sharing.

A hand-picked All-Star, but that's irrelevant, I guess.

Haha!

 

[Ed O]

That's neat, Ed. Thanks for sharing.

Haha!

Would you rather have a "franchise player" that can't get his team out of the lottery?

Ed O.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'd rather have a top three pick and a 22 year-old all-star than Aldridge and the final lottery pick, that's for sure.

Ed O.

So, if I'm reading this right, you're saying that the Wolves' future is brighter than the Blazers' at this moment in time. Really?