Notice Lying

[Stevenson]

I think it is safe to say that we all put a high value on the truth.

If your spouse was to lie to you, especially about something important, it would likely cause turmoil in your marriage. It would in mine. When your kids lie, it is a big deal. It is something we work to teach them is wrong. When a friend lies, you feel betrayed.

Lying to the FBI gets you thrown in jail. Lying in court is perjury.

Someone once told me that lying prevents the other person from dealing with reality, with the truth. I think that is spot on.

While I could easily make this a post about our pathological liar of a president (and I will, for a bit, don't worry) my question generally is - how important do you think truth and lying should be? In life? In the public arena?

And as for our liar-in-chief, the only reason I can conclude that he lies so damn much is that the facts, the truth, hurts him, his cause, and his desired outcome. The reality is, if things were good for him, he wouldn't need to lie. People only lie when the truth will hurt worse.

And how does this not bother his lemmings, err, I mean, followers?

 

[riverman]

More often than not I think lying like is an addiction...practiced behavior. Compulsive habit for some I've known. Lot of sales people practice it..Religions promise things beyond their control..etc...but Love is to me unconditional trust....lying chips away at that

 

[riverman]

Why did small lies become "white lies"? ….like telling a child grandpa's in a better place now...etc...telling someone in a battle that it'll be ok...don't worry

 

[Mediocre Man]

All Presidents have lied.

Trump is a douche.

I didn't vote for him, or the other liar.

Move on

 

[Lanny]

All Presidents have lied.

Trump is a douche.

I didn't vote for him, or the other liar.

Move on

Is "Move on" an order?

 

[Lanny]

I think it is safe to say that we all put a high value on the truth.

If your spouse was to lie to you, especially about something important, it would likely cause turmoil in your marriage. It would in mine. When your kids lie, it is a big deal. It is something we work to teach them is wrong. When a friend lies, you feel betrayed.

Lying to the FBI gets you thrown in jail. Lying in court is perjury.

Someone once told me that lying prevents the other person from dealing with reality, with the truth. I think that is spot on.

While I could easily make this a post about our pathological liar of a president (and I will, for a bit, don't worry) my question generally is - how important do you think truth and lying should be? In life? In the public arena?

And as for our liar-in-chief, the only reason I can conclude that he lies so damn much is that the facts, the truth, hurts him, his cause, and his desired outcome. The reality is, if things were good for him, he wouldn't need to lie. People only lie when the truth will hurt worse.

And how does this not bother his lemmings, err, I mean, followers?

LOL, as soon as I saw the title of your thread, I instantly knew whom it was talking about.

 

[Stevenson]

All Presidents have lied.

Trump is a douche.

I didn't vote for him, or the other liar.

Move on

No, not the same. Not even close. Trump lies 17 times a day. Clocked.

False equivilancy.

Carry on.

 

[crandc]

We all bs at times. I stretched my resume when I needed a job. But I didn't make shit up out of thin air.

It's one thing to say your sister's new baby is cute even if, like me, small children really don't appeal to you. ( Kittens, now...) It's another to tell your significant other you are working overtime when you are out screwing someone else.

When someone lies to me it is a big deal because how can I ever give credence to anything? I don't think people should lie to their children about Santa or other gods. Or where babies come from.

And while it might be true all politicians spin, literally making shit up out of thin air (former Presidents want wall at Southern border), stuff easily disproven, is new.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I abhor dishonesty. All forms. Direct lying. Skillful deception. Lies of omission. I hate it all. And to be clear, I do not support the President's propensity for "alternative facts".

This is not to say that people need necessarily be fully transparent with everything. There is nothing wrong with privacy, confidentiality. There is nothing wrong with soft-pedaling the truth to present it gracefully rather than brutally. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to disclose one's feelings.

But if the purpose of a particular communication (or lack thereof) is to cause another to believe something that the originator knows to be untrue, it is wrong.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I don't think Trump lies because he feels he has to. I think it's pathological. In fact, I know it is. He isn't bright enough to lie this much because he feels he has to. He is mentally ill.

 

[Hoopguru]

All Presidents have lied.

Trump is a douche.

I didn't vote for him, or the other liar.

Move on

bingo!
I think though Trump & both Clintons will do anything to get what they want!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Is "Move on" an order?

Of course not. That would have been "move the fuck on"

 

[Mediocre Man]

bingo!
I think though Trump & both Clintons will do anything to get what they want!

Me as well. Horrible choices for America last election

 

[Mediocre Man]

We all bs at times. I stretched my resume when I needed a job. But I didn't make shit up out of thin air.

It's one thing to say your sister's new baby is cute even if, like me, small children really don't appeal to you. ( Kittens, now...) It's another to tell your significant other you are working overtime when you are out screwing someone else.

When someone lies to me it is a big deal because how can I ever give credence to anything? I don't think people should lie to their children about Santa or other gods. Or where babies come from.

And while it might be true all politicians spin, literally making shit up out of thin air (former Presidents want wall at Southern border), stuff easily disproven, is new.

Hillary lied her ass off as well. They are both horrible people.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Trump lies soooooooo much that we need to stop him.

I know, let's ban him from addressing the country because "objectively" we know he is just gonna lie to us.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morning-joe-says-networks-not-134232170.html

 

[Stevenson]

"They all lie" is such a lazy analysis.

 

[tlongII]

"They all lie" is such a lazy analysis.

So is making a statement like "Trump lies 17 times a day". There is no context.

 

[barfo]

So is making a statement like "Trump lies 17 times a day". There is no context.

What sort of context would you like?
Number of lies told per day by other presidents? I'd guess the numbers are somewhere between 0 and 1.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Trump is the second most honest President in my lifetime so far, and the most blatant liars are his current opponents.

 

[tlongII]

What sort of context would you like?
Number of lies told per day by other presidents? I'd guess the numbers are somewhere between 0 and 1.

barfo

Yes, that would be helpful. It would also be helpful to know how many times each president was fact-checked as well as exactly who is doing the fact checking.

I'm guessing the numbers are greater than 1.

 

[MarAzul]

Is "Move on" an order?

No, not the same. Not even close. Trump lies 17 times a day. Clocked.

False equivilancy.

Carry on.

No. But Carry on is permission to continue on.

 

[barfo]

Yes, that would be helpful. It would also be helpful to know how many times each president was fact-checked as well as exactly who is doing the fact checking.

I'm guessing the numbers are greater than 1.

You think prior presidents weren't fact-checked? Of course they were.
Other presidents told very few provable lies, and when they did, they often didn't repeat them after being fact-checked.
Also, other presidents didn't rant on twitter daily, so that reduced their opportunity for lying.
It might be difficult to recall, but there was a time when presidents didn't say anything at all publicly on some days.

barfo

 

[tlongII]

You think prior presidents weren't fact-checked? Of course they were.
Other presidents told very few provable lies, and when they did, they often didn't repeat them after being fact-checked.
Also, other presidents didn't rant on twitter daily, so that reduced their opportunity for lying.
It might be difficult to recall, but there was a time when presidents didn't say anything at all publicly on some days.

barfo

Of course other presidents were fact checked. By simply throwing out a statement of Trump lies 17 times a day nothing is gained. Context is needed.

 

[Stevenson]

So is making a statement like "Trump lies 17 times a day". There is no context.

No, it's not. "Trump averaged 15 lies a day" - Washington Post analysis.

 

[tlongII]

No, it's not. "Trump averaged 15 lies a day" - Washington Post analysis.

That's better. It's an analysis of tweets. Personally I don't subscribe to Twitter so I am probably unaffected.

 

[Strenuus]

Trump lies soooooooo much that we need to stop him.

I know, let's ban him from addressing the country because "objectively" we know he is just gonna lie to us.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morning-joe-says-networks-not-134232170.html

I thought the objection was not having the other side have a chance to speak, not actually blocking him from speaking.

I mean, we know he's going to embellish and lie, that's who he is at the core.

 

[tlongII]

I also think Trump's incessant tweeting is diversionary in nature. If he's guilty of financial crimes, and I suspect he is, he should go down for those. I have no problem with many of his actions/decisions as commander in chief though.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I thought the objection was not having the other side have a chance to speak, not actually blocking him from speaking.

I mean, we know he's going to embellish and lie, that's who he is at the core.

I didnt see her say what is in the article. It says Mika thinks he shouldn't be allowed airtime because he will lie.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I didnt see her say what is in the article. It says Mika thinks he shouldn't be allowed airtime because he will lie.

Close. She thinks the networks should make the choice not to give him airtime. Networks are private enterprise. Choosing to stick with their regular programming rather than airing his speech would simply be exercising their liberty.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Close. She thinks the networks should make the choice not to give him airtime. Networks are private enterprise. Choosing to stick with their regular programming rather than airing his speech would simply be exercising their liberty.

That's what I said. "Allowed"

Her reason is that he will lie.

I clicked a link in the article that said they did just that to Obama.

It was sweeps apparently and they had big shows opposite Obama's speech so it was about money most likely.