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His speed should be more than 97, he's a burner
 
[quote name='JHair' post='63844' date='Aug 11 2006, 08:59 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='63815' date='Aug 11 2006, 10:13 PM'][quote name='Capt. Comeback' post='63814' date='Aug 11 2006, 06:54 PM'][quote name='JHair' post='63718' date='Aug 11 2006, 02:15 PM']Yeah it really is rediculous... proven NFL players still remain underrated :banghead:[/quote]Do I hear a Santana Moss?[/quote]No, you don't.[/quote]hahah... :LMAO: 2nd in the league for yards last year and he still gets the shaft... don't lie, you miss him.[/quote].... for 1 season. Should Mushin Muhammed have been a dominating WR last year in Madden?And Coles > Moss for the Jets.
 
Neither Coles or Moss belong on the Jets, no one on the Jets can get the deep ball to them to utilize their speed.Plus look at Muhammad's situation, he left his team w/ Delhomme tossen him the ball now he's got who? Rex if he's healthy then Orton? Orton can't get Muhammad numbers that Delhomme could.Moss was our sole WR last year, all alone. Now we got other talent who can hog coverage. Moss will be able to get open a lot easier this year, and you'll see it in his numbers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Aug 11 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Neither Coles or Moss belong on the Jets, no one on the Jets can get the deep ball to them to utilize their speed.Plus look at Muhammad's situation, he left his team w/ Delhomme tossen him the ball now he's got who? Rex if he's healthy then Orton? Orton can't get Muhammad numbers that Delhomme could.Moss was our sole WR last year, all alone. Now we got other talent who can hog coverage. Moss will be able to get open a lot easier this year, and you'll see it in his numbers.</div>Santana Moss for the Jets with Chad Pennington most of the time, and Quincy Carter for the rest. All with a healthy O-line:45 Receptions838 Yards5 TD'sLaveranues Coles for the Jets with Chad for a couple games, Vinny T for 4 starts, and Brooks Bollinger for the rest, with all but 1 O-line starters gone.73 Receptions845 Yards5 TD'sColes > Moss for the Jets, I'm not mad at the trade. In fact I'm happy with it. Both WR's are great WR's. I still think Coles is better, though.And Mush was Jake's only target, and he was the best WR in the league. So he changed teams... so what? That shouldn't lower his rating.
 
A QB can make a WR look a lot better than he really is.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Aug 11 2006, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A QB can make a WR look a lot better than he really is.</div>Like Brunell to Santana?
 
I'd say both played very well last season... Brunell did well distrubuting the ball throughout the offense, not just to Moss. Kyle Orton... didn't. He threw to the defense more then his own players. And you can't say that didn't hurt Muhammad's numbers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Aug 11 2006, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say both played very well last season... Brunell did well distrubuting the ball throughout the offense, not just to Moss. Kyle Orton... didn't. He threw to the defense more then his own players. And you can't say that didn't hurt Muhammad's numbers.</div>Of course Orton hurt his numbers, that's the whole point. 1 good season doesn't make a star. Muhammad was OK with a crap QB, and great with a good QB. Moss was OK with an above average QB, and was great with a solid QB. Who's to say the QB wasn't what made the difference?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 12 2006, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course Orton hurt his numbers, that's the whole point. 1 good season doesn't make a star. Muhammad was OK with a crap QB, and great with a good QB. Moss was OK with an above average QB, and was great with a solid QB. Who's to say the QB wasn't what made the difference?</div>The point I'm making is that the rating they get is based on the past year. They don't say hmm Steve Smith put up numbers like junk in his first few seasons, so he is an 88 overall. So the difference in the best reciever last year is a 97 overall to a 92 overall with a top 2 reciever? No, sorry that just doesn't happen.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 12 2006, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santana Moss for the Jets with Chad Pennington most of the time, and Quincy Carter for the rest. All with a healthy O-line:45 Receptions838 Yards5 TD'sLaveranues Coles for the Jets with Chad for a couple games, Vinny T for 4 starts, and Brooks Bollinger for the rest, with all but 1 O-line starters gone.73 Receptions845 Yards5 TD'sColes > Moss for the Jets, I'm not mad at the trade. In fact I'm happy with it. Both WR's are great WR's. I still think Coles is better, though.And Mush was Jake's only target, and he was the best WR in the league. So he changed teams... so what? That shouldn't lower his rating.</div>huh? lol. Maybe if I drunk a case of Miller's, hung upside down, in the dark, with one eye open I could see Coles as a better WR than Moss. Thats a trade I imagine the Jets brass would like to have back.
 
Lol where did you come up with that? I'm gonna have to agree though
 
Moss > ColesMoss brokeout cuz he actually played with an above average QB. It also wasnt all Brunell, Moss would turn 5 yard receptions to 30 yarders.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 13 2006, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 12 2006, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santana Moss for the Jets with Chad Pennington most of the time, and Quincy Carter for the rest. All with a healthy O-line:45 Receptions838 Yards5 TD'sLaveranues Coles for the Jets with Chad for a couple games, Vinny T for 4 starts, and Brooks Bollinger for the rest, with all but 1 O-line starters gone.73 Receptions845 Yards5 TD'sColes > Moss for the Jets, I'm not mad at the trade. In fact I'm happy with it. Both WR's are great WR's. I still think Coles is better, though.And Mush was Jake's only target, and he was the best WR in the league. So he changed teams... so what? That shouldn't lower his rating.</div>huh? lol. Maybe if I drunk a case of Miller's, hung upside down, in the dark, with one eye open I could see Coles as a better WR than Moss. Thats a trade I imagine the Jets brass would like to have back.</div>I said Coles was better with the Jets than Moss was. Our entire offense got worse, except the WR position that got better. Coles was an improvement over Moss for us.
 
Well, the Jets almost made it to the SB with Moss and only won like 3-4 games with Coles.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 13 2006, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, the Jets almost made it to the SB with Moss and only won like 3-4 games with Coles.</div>Eh?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 13 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you lost in OT by a FG. Moss had all your TDs too.</div>And Coles would have changed the situation how?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 14 2006, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You would've went like 7-9 that season and not 12-4.</div>Lol.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 14 2006, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you lost in OT by a FG. Moss had all your TDs too.</div>Interesting, I'd also like to note that numbers the other guy brought shows nothing more than the fact that Moss virtually matched Coles production with 28 fewer receptions. Moss also didn't come from nowhere, he did put together an 1100 yard, 10 TD season with the Jets just one year before he was traded.At the very worst, Moss is just as good as Coles was with the Jets. Was being 02 and 03. All of the circumstance you attribute to Coles less than stellar 05 performance is valid, but if you're actually being reasonable, and not just a biased Jets fan, then you would also have to consider that maybe Coles isn't the same guy he was when he left, since his numbers from last year aren't too unfamiliar than the ones he put up in his last year in Washington.
 
Also, if Coles was as good, why would we have traded a 3rd and 4th round pick along with Coles for Moss...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 15 2006, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 14 2006, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you lost in OT by a FG. Moss had all your TDs too.</div>Interesting, I'd also like to note that numbers the other guy brought shows nothing more than the fact that Moss virtually matched Coles production with 28 fewer receptions. Moss also didn't come from nowhere, he did put together an 1100 yard, 10 TD season with the Jets just one year before he was traded.At the very worst, Moss is just as good as Coles was with the Jets. Was being 02 and 03. All of the circumstance you attribute to Coles less than stellar 05 performance is valid, but if you're actually being reasonable, and not just a biased Jets fan, then you would also have to consider that maybe Coles isn't the same guy he was when he left, since his numbers from last year aren't too unfamiliar than the ones he put up in his last year in Washington.</div>If you'd stop being a homer, you'd realize that Coles put up better numbers than Moss with worse surroundings. Which was my point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 15 2006, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, if Coles was as good, why would we have traded a 3rd and 4th round pick along with Coles for Moss...</div>Whoa I thought it was Coles and Moss straight up. 3rd and 4th... You mean for Lloyd?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 16 2006, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you'd stop being a homer, you'd realize that Coles put up better numbers than Moss with worse surroundings. Which was my point.</div>Hold on to that homer comment while looking in the mirror buddy. I acknowledged that the circumstances that influenced Coles's numbers were valid. I guess it would probably also be homerish to point out that Moss thrived in the same offense Coles griped about. Besides, maybe Cole's didn't have his lucky shoes last year, or his dog died the day before a big game, who knows. The trade was in fact player for player. Shrewd move by the NYJ front office there :banghead:
 
I swear to everyone's life, 2 years ago I said the Skins should trade Coles and a 1st round pick for Moss. AND WE DID, without the 1st round pick!!david, no, we gave them picks too. Can't believe they accepted it for a 3rd rounder.Now I know Gibbs is amazing and he was in his 2nd year last year, but the Skins didn't improve much (plus losing Arrington with an injury didn't help) and we won games BECAUSE of Moss.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 16 2006, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I swear to everyone's life, 2 years ago I said the Skins should trade Coles and a 1st round pick for Moss. AND WE DID, without the 1st round pick!!david, no, we gave them picks too. Can't believe they accepted it for a 3rd rounder.Now I know Gibbs is amazing and he was in his 2nd year last year, but the Skins didn't improve much (plus losing Arrington with an injury didn't help) and we won games BECAUSE of Moss.</div>No sir it was player for player. The 3rd round was conditional in the deal for Jordan. Jordan got the Jets a round 3 pick 33.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 16 2006, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whaaaaaaa? Do you have a link?</div>You're a Redskins fan, shouldnt you know? Jordon was a FA and signed with the Raiders... Moss for Coles did not involve draft picks... And the Skins gave up a 3rd and 4th for Lloyd (My favorite lmao)...
 
Ohh... I DID mix them up with the Lloyd trade. david, why did you guys do that trade? lol
 
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