<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't expect Vince to stay in New Jersey. It looks like he's just padding his stats until he gets to free agency.
He'll go to whoever offers him the most money and where he can get the most media attention.</div>
I think he could do a much better job at padding his stats if that's what he's trying to achieve. I definately wouldn't call what he's doing padding his stats, some people are acting like because Vince played 30 MPG and wasn't being allowed to do the same things he was before for half a season in Toronto he became sucky.
In reply to AMS_ice. New Jersey didn't "give him a second chance", Vince didn't need anyone to give him a second chance, I don't know where you got that idea from. Any team he went to he would've done good, him playing well was not specific to Jersey, lol. New Jersey trading what they didn't want for him is not giving him a second chance, thats called getting a very good player for nothing. People still say this "no one wanted him", but please, do you think GM's actually thought he just magically became sucky? If people haven't realized, usually when trades like this go down, teams are trying to squeeze as much as they can without losing anything. Teams wanted him, but they wanted him for as little as possible. Then you consider the Raptors being the ones with their hands down since they looked desperate to trade him, and that they weren't even playing him, what value can you expect to get there? At least if you want to trade a guy, play him, I mean teams do this with crappy players, and we're talking about a guy who's an All-Star every year and you bench him for the whatever crew (can't remember what Chuck called them) who became useless after the first half of the season anyways.
Also I found if funny that you were talking about the Nets before Carter. First of all, the Nets before Carter lost to the Pistons in 03-04. Secondly, while the Nets making the finals was very good, let's put it in perspective, the East was extremely weak then. That Nets team is not better than the Miami and Detroit the past two seasons, so I don't see what point you're trying to make with that.
The coach and GM need to be clear on things like that. Even if Vince was playing bad, if we were going to make the playoffs or do anything in the playoffs that season we would need him. Similarly, if you want to get value while trading him, you would have to play him, so benching him really did nothing for the team itself, it was the worst scenario for everyone involved.
Anyways, like I said, loyalty is not a word to use in this business. People always talk about players being loyal, yet it's perfectly fine that teams don't have this same obligation. Do you think it's fun for guys to have to pack their bags and move, and sometimes move their families. You know these guys have lives too, so IMO, screw loyalty, that's stupid to me in something like this which is such a business, and loyalty is not even a real concept. It's okay for the team to discard players to improve themselves, but the players now have an obligation to stay with the team when they are free agents?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm against the Magic getting VC too, unless it's really short term. (like 2-3 years max) and even then I would probably pass. I don't want to give him a 5-6 year max deal because he is getting older and his skills will eventually start to diminish. In Orlando, Dwight Howard is the man. Vince Carter would not be the man.
VC has never not been the man, can he handle it? Also I know it's been in the past, but his injury and character problems turn me against him. Plus we've already got 2 wings that don't play much defense, we need to find a quality defensive wing, rather than the scorer. Also the Magic's run last year was based on balance, so adding someone who will likely take 20 shots a game won't help our balance.</div>
Considering the constant complaint has been that he wants to defer to teamamtes he shouldn't be deffering to so much, I don't think that's a problem at all. I agree about the defense thing, Vince actually is not a "bad" defender, though not a good one, and if you guys have Dwight and Darko in the middle, help defense like that can make many guys look better than they actually are defensively (Check Rip Hamilton on the Pistons).
