Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

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LayneStaley said:
What’s the current worst contract in nba? Simmons? Whatever it is I’ll take it for 3 1s.
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Ben is no longer the worst contract, the moment the last season ended. His contract is expiring ‘24-‘25.

Between ready-to-compete players like Bridges/Cam/Claxton, vets like DFS/ONeal, and promising young guys like Clowney/Thomas/Whitehead, they have the talent to still compete for HCA. Getting the best version of Ben back would just set the team over the top, but they aren’t relying on him to compete. So no reason to treat him like a liability rather than an asset. If a team wants Ben, they can offer something of value for Ben.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It wasn't really Hinkes fault for all of that though... they had Elton brand and Colangelo throwing away assets for nothing. Trade for Butler then let him walk to Miami.

Process was actually decent idea at the time. If they had just 3 or so vets on the roster for a more mature locker room might have had better development too.

29 teams lose every year so i think people forget it's 97% chance of failure and that doesn't take into account higher probability of repeat champions.

OKC is sort of like the process 2.0 in some ways and they could be scary good 5-10 years from now.
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The Process actually worked fabulously.... Not only what you mention, but it really fell apart by failing miserably multiple times with high lotto picks. Fultz, Okafor....to a lesser extent Ben Simmons.
It was probably one of the greatest rebuild efforts in NBA history, but the hindsight execution/luck was poor.
 
Samuel said:
yeah this is the time to absorb bad salary with all these rookie deals on our books.

if we have another high lotto pick next year, though, that's another mid-ish sized salary. something to keep in mind.
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Good points. I thought about that but I figured my post was too long already.
 
I think Brogdon gets the most value from the east. Bucks set the first domino by trading for Dame and making themselves the favorite. Celtics overpay for Holiday to get within neck-and-neck of the Bucks. The two obvious teams viable for Brogdon are the 6ers and Heat. Cronin should do everything in his power to pull 2 1sts from a trade with either team.

With the Heat, you have to wonder how confident they are that they can beat the Bucks with 4 years of Dame and Celtics with a re-signed Jrue. If they want to compete with those two teams with Jimmy exiting his prime, Cronin needs to capitalize on their desperate times—‘28 and ‘30 unprotected 1sts. Trade Brogdon’s $22.5m, take back Robinson’s remaining $18m (around $20m for two more seasons after that) + filler, give them multiple 2nds.

If it’s the 6ers and they desperately need to make sure Embiid doesn’t ask out, Brogdon and multiple 2nds for Harden and 1 unprotected 1st, then send Harden to the Clips for an unprotected 1st. ORR…could we flip Harden and more 2nds to the Heat for Robinson’s contract and the 2 unprotected 1sts?

Bulls for some reason keep popping up in all this. Brogdon + 2nds for Ball + our 1st back for a top 10 protected 1st in ‘27 (top 4 in ‘28, unprotected in ‘29). Then we wait on Ball to get healthy and do another round of extracting another asset out of him. If anything, his injury gives the 3 guards a chance to take all the minutes this year, and then he is the perfect backup 1-3 behind Scoot and Shae when/if Ant is traded next summer.
 
BankTeller said:
I think Brogdon gets the most value from the east. Bucks set the first domino by trading for Dame and making themselves the favorite. Celtics overpay for Holiday to get within neck-and-neck of the Bucks. The two obvious teams viable for Brogdon are the 6ers and Heat. Cronin should do everything in his power to pull 2 1sts from a trade with either team.

With the Heat, you have to wonder how confident they are that they can beat the Bucks with 4 years of Dame and Celtics with a re-signed Jrue. If they want to compete with those two teams with Jimmy exiting his prime, Cronin needs to capitalize on their desperate times—‘28 and ‘30 unprotected 1sts. Trade Brogdon’s $22.5m, take back Robinson’s remaining $18m (around $20m for two more seasons after that) + filler, give them multiple 2nds.

If it’s the 6ers and they desperately need to make sure Embiid doesn’t ask out, Brogdon and multiple 2nds for Harden and 1 unprotected 1st, then send Harden to the Clips for an unprotected 1st. ORR…could we flip Harden and more 2nds to the Heat for Robinson’s contract and the 2 unprotected 1sts?

Bulls for some reason keep popping up in all this. Brogdon + 2nds for Ball + our 1st back for a top 10 protected 1st in ‘27 (top 4 in ‘28, unprotected in ‘29). Then we wait on Ball to get healthy and do another round of extracting another asset out of him. If anything, his injury gives the 3 guards a chance to take all the minutes this year, and then he is the perfect backup 1-3 behind Scoot and Shae when/if Ant is traded next summer.
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Greedy. I like it. Lol
 
LayneStaley said:
What’s the current worst contract in nba? Simmons? Whatever it is I’ll take it for 3 1s.
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We need to revisit this after the season. He will either get hurt again or he and the Nets will have a great season IMO. I love their starting unit with him running the point.

Simmons
Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
Claxton

Their Bench ain't bad either: Dennis Smith, Whitehead, Rouce O'neal, Dorian Finney, Clowney
 
Seems like giving it 3 months is a good idea. He either fits or he doesn't. We will know by then. Sure the possibility of him getting injured is a risk but unless someone offers us a good young forward I am okay with giving it a shot. Yes, he is another guard, but being 230 lbs keeps him from being a duplication.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Seems like giving it 3 months is a good idea. He either fits or he doesn't. We will know by then. Sure the possibility of him getting injured is a risk but unless someone offers us a good young forward I am okay with giving it a shot. Yes, he is another guard, but being 230 lbs keeps him from being a duplication.
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Makes sense to me. He can mentor the young guys to start the season and, if somebody needs PG help at the deadline, the Blazers may get a bigger return then.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Seems like giving it 3 months is a good idea. He either fits or he doesn't. We will know by then. Sure the possibility of him getting injured is a risk but unless someone offers us a good young forward I am okay with giving it a shot. Yes, he is another guard, but being 230 lbs keeps him from being a duplication.
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I'm 230 and I have some duplication hanging around my waist
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Seems like giving it 3 months is a good idea. He either fits or he doesn't. We will know by then. Sure the possibility of him getting injured is a risk but unless someone offers us a good young forward I am okay with giving it a shot. Yes, he is another guard, but being 230 lbs keeps him from being a duplication.
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Yes, if he isn’t worth 1sts, he isn’t worth giving away.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm 230 and I have some duplication hanging around my waist
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I'm thinking his pounds may be arranged a bit more advantageously than those of us older guys.

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Can someone do a schedule breakdown? If Brogdon isn’t worth 1sts, he’s still a valuable vet on this team. Things can can re-evaluated in December or the trade deadline.
 
BankTeller said:
Can someone do a schedule breakdown? If Brogdon isn’t worth 1sts, he’s still a valuable vet on this team. Things can can re-evaluated in December or the trade deadline.
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Thought of starting a new thread for it, but didn't want to get yelled at. I'm sure someone has mentioned it in one of the dozen trade threads on here, but with presumably hanging on to Brogdon at least to start the season, was realizing how much this year's trade deadline, if we are in dead last, will center around our team. I love the depth that we have started to build, but if we're garbage, and looking again to bottom out, Joe's going to have one busy phone around the deadline.
Need a PG/SG? We got one in Brogdon on a reasonable 2 year/20 million per deal. Easy enough for teams to match.
Need a defensive C? We got Williams, also on a reasonable contract easily matched.
Need a scoring/defensive wing that could be a good #3? We got that in Grant.
We'll be sitting on 3 pieces that could easily slide in to anyone's lineup and be a big boost for the stretch run.
 
RR7 said:
Thought of starting a new thread for it, but didn't want to get yelled at. I'm sure someone has mentioned it in one of the dozen trade threads on here, but with presumably hanging on to Brogdon at least to start the season, was realizing how much this year's trade deadline, if we are in dead last, will center around our team. I love the depth that we have started to build, but if we're garbage, and looking again to bottom out, Joe's going to have one busy phone around the deadline.
Need a PG/SG? We got one in Brogdon on a reasonable 2 year/20 million per deal. Easy enough for teams to match.
Need a defensive C? We got Williams, also on a reasonable contract easily matched.
Need a scoring/defensive wing that could be a good #3? We got that in Grant.
We'll be sitting on 3 pieces that could easily slide in to anyone's lineup and be a big boost for the stretch run.
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Not to mention Ant
 
It took me a few days to get comfortable with it, but I think you just move the lion's share of Sharpe's minutes to the 3 and give Brogdon his 26mpg between the 1 and 2 and show Ant and Scoot how it's done.

And if that's concerning, guys like Vince and Kobe spent a lot of time at the 3 when they were in their first/second years too. Shae is still figuring his game out and he'll still get ~25-30m.

Move Brogdon at the deadline and that's when you start Sharpe and move Murray and Camara into the rotation.
 
Nice to get a guy here who has always been a thorn in our side. I remember watching him playing smothering defense on Lillard while he was in Indiana
 
RR7 said:
Thought of starting a new thread for it, but didn't want to get yelled at. I'm sure someone has mentioned it in one of the dozen trade threads on here, but with presumably hanging on to Brogdon at least to start the season, was realizing how much this year's trade deadline, if we are in dead last, will center around our team. I love the depth that we have started to build, but if we're garbage, and looking again to bottom out, Joe's going to have one busy phone around the deadline.
Need a PG/SG? We got one in Brogdon on a reasonable 2 year/20 million per deal. Easy enough for teams to match.
Need a defensive C? We got Williams, also on a reasonable contract easily matched.
Need a scoring/defensive wing that could be a good #3? We got that in Grant.
We'll be sitting on 3 pieces that could easily slide in to anyone's lineup and be a big boost for the stretch run.
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good points

I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that because if the Blazers have a fire sale on their best veterans, they will be consigning themselves to years in the lottery. I don't mind, much, a couple more years of high draft picks, but moving Grant, Brogdon, & Williams would leave the cupboard pretty bare
 
MickZagger said:
Nice to get a guy here who has always been a thorn in our side. I remember watching him playing smothering defense on Lillard while he was in Indiana
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are you sure it was Brogdon on Dame? Dame averaged 23 & 9 with a .667 TS% in two games in 2018-19. He played one game against the Pacers in 2019-2020 and had 50 points and 13 assist with an .832 TS%. The next season, 23 & % with a .630 TS%
 
wizenheimer said:
good points

I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that because if the Blazers have a fire sale on their best veterans, they will be consigning themselves to years in the lottery. I don't mind, much, a couple more years of high draft picks, but moving Grant, Brogdon, & Williams would leave the cupboard pretty bare
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I think we'll keep Williams if that gives you any comfort but I think both Jerami and Malcolm will go to the highest bidder before the deadline. I think one of the players we get from sending those two out will be a versatile forward who is 25 or under. I think Matisse could also be traded around the deadline. If by the end of the seasons we have upgraded one of the forward spots and can upgrade the other at the draft I think a team full of young players with likely a decade or more of playing ahead of each member of the rotation, then I think next season we will at least make the playins and the season after no one will want to face us in the playoffs.
 
Wow just saw on BBRef that the Brogdon draft pick was traded away by the Blazers in 2013 when we acquired Robin Lopez!

It was a 2016 2nd round pick from the Pelicans that we apparently had at the time, it got sent to Sacramento in that 3 way trade. Not sure if we already had the pick acquired from an earlier trade or BBRef just has misleading wording on it actually being NOP own pick prior to the trade. I thought we got Lopez for two 2nd round pick so would make more sense if we already had the pick.

Sacramento a few days later traded that pick away to Milwaukee for Luc Mbah a Moute.

3 years later the Bucks picked Brogdon with that 36th pick. He played there 3 years, then Indy 3 years, and then last year in Boston as 6MOY.

WELCOME HOME MALCOLM!
 
10 years after the ROLO trade we still have a 35 year old Robin Lopez in the NBA - in Milwaukee where Brogdon first ended up - but alongside Stotts and a Mr Damian Lillard. Never would have imagined.
 
blazerkor said:
I think we'll keep Williams if that gives you any comfort but I think both Jerami and Malcolm will go to the highest bidder before the deadline. I think one of the players we get from sending those two out will be a versatile forward who is 25 or under. I think Matisse could also be traded around the deadline. If by the end of the seasons we have upgraded one of the forward spots and can upgrade the other at the draft I think a team full of young players with likely a decade or more of playing ahead of each member of the rotation, then I think next season we will at least make the playins and the season after no one will want to face us in the playoffs.
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Due to the supply shortage I don't see any team trading away a versatile young forward.
 
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