Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

[CJ_is_Gone]

Warriors
Klay + Kuminga + GSW '27 1st
for
LaVine + Craig + Wainright

Warriors move off Klay and get LaVine. The Warriors would not have to worry about Klay's extension moving forward. They have to give up on Kuminga and a first. They also save ~$5m + the resulting tax.

Portland
Brogdon + Wainright + GSW '24 1st
for
Kuminga + Fultz + DEN '25 1st (via ORL)

Trailblazers take a swing at Kuminga to see if he fits long term. Fultz can either be the 4th guard or be used as trade bait for future moves. Portland also pushes the pick back a year into a stronger draft.

Chicago
LaVine + Craig
for
Thompson + Schofield (convert from 2-way) + GSW '24 (via POR) + GSW '27

Bulls get Klay's expiring contract while dumping LaVine's. They get a chance to evaluate him with the chance of resigning him at an appropriate salary (without the emotional baggage of past years). Craig is included to keep below the tax & Schofield is a reasonable 2-way prospect that can be converted to a regular roster while staying below the tax. The big 'win' here for the Bulls are the picks.

Orlando
Fultz + Schofield (2-way) + DEN '25
for
Brogdon

Magic get someone to help steady their guard rotation and push for playoff wins.

 

[Natebishop3]

Warriors
Klay + Kuminga + GSW '27 1st
for
LaVine + Craig + Wainright

Warriors move off Klay and get LaVine. The Warriors would not have to worry about Klay's extension moving forward. They have to give up on Kuminga and a first. They also save ~$5m + the resulting tax.

Portland
Brogdon + Wainright + GSW '24 1st
for
Kuminga + Fultz + DEN '25 1st (via ORL)

Trailblazers take a swing at Kuminga to see if he fits long term. Fultz can either be the 4th guard or be used as trade bait for future moves. Portland also pushes the pick back a year into a stronger draft.

Chicago
LaVine + Craig
for
Thompson + Schofield (convert from 2-way) + GSW '24 (via POR) + GSW '27

Bulls get Klay's expiring contract while dumping LaVine's. They get a chance to evaluate him with the chance of resigning him at an appropriate salary (without the emotional baggage of past years). Craig is included to keep below the tax & Schofield is a reasonable 2-way prospect that can be converted to a regular roster while staying below the tax. The big 'win' here for the Bulls are the picks.

Orlando
Fultz + Schofield (2-way) + DEN '25
for
Brogdon

Magic get someone to help steady their guard rotation and push for playoff wins.

I don’t want to help GS at all. I want that pick to be good.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don’t want to help GS at all. I want that pick to be good.

In the proposed deal, the pick would be going to Chicago, so we wouldn't care if it was any good.

Brogdon and the GSW 1st is basically everything we got for Holiday (RW3 is a lost cause). I guess Kuminga, Fultz and a Denver 1st isn't terrible, but that pick will probably be between 25-30 next year, so that's not really a great asset.

Plus, if we're sending the GSW pick to Chicago, I want our pick back.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

I don’t want to help GS at all. I want that pick to be good.

Have you really looked at this year's draft?

Even if the pick was 'good' and ended up being #12 -> the talent in this draft is sub-par. I would much rather have Kuminga than anything after #10 this year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Warriors
Klay + Kuminga + GSW '27 1st
for
LaVine + Craig + Wainright

Warriors move off Klay and get LaVine. The Warriors would not have to worry about Klay's extension moving forward. They have to give up on Kuminga and a first. They also save ~$5m + the resulting tax.

Portland
Brogdon + Wainright + GSW '24 1st
for
Kuminga + Fultz + DEN '25 1st (via ORL)

Trailblazers take a swing at Kuminga to see if he fits long term. Fultz can either be the 4th guard or be used as trade bait for future moves. Portland also pushes the pick back a year into a stronger draft.

Chicago
LaVine + Craig
for
Thompson + Schofield (convert from 2-way) + GSW '24 (via POR) + GSW '27

Bulls get Klay's expiring contract while dumping LaVine's. They get a chance to evaluate him with the chance of resigning him at an appropriate salary (without the emotional baggage of past years). Craig is included to keep below the tax & Schofield is a reasonable 2-way prospect that can be converted to a regular roster while staying below the tax. The big 'win' here for the Bulls are the picks.

Orlando
Fultz + Schofield (2-way) + DEN '25
for
Brogdon

Magic get someone to help steady their guard rotation and push for playoff wins.

Visual representation (plus I put us getting our pick back from CHI, 'cause I said so!)

As I'm sure you know, this fails prior to 12/15 because Craig was signed this offseason.

 

[illmatic99]

Do people understand why I want Kuminga so badly on this team now?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Do people understand why I want Kuminga so badly on this team now?

I don't think even Steve Kerr knows since he doesn't even put him in the rotation most nights. I like him, but as far as value goes, he's not someone I'd give a lot for.

 

[Natebishop3]

Have you really looked at this year's draft?

Even if the pick was 'good' and ended up being #12 -> the talent in this draft is sub-par. I would much rather have Kuminga than anything after #10 this year.

I don’t think the talent is sub par. I think this draft is missing the true star caliber players. There isn’t a Wemby. If you stack this up against a draft like even 2022, it’s missing that high end talent, but I think there could easily be people who are better than Kuminga.

 

[Samuel]

for the next contention trajectory do the blazers still need to draft a #1 option or should they be content targeting #2, #3 options?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don’t think the talent is sub par. I think this draft is missing the true star caliber players. There isn’t a Wemby. If you stack this up against a draft like even 2022, it’s missing that high end talent, but I think there could easily be people who are better than Kuminga.

Agreed....no known star. But it is way too early to know if there are any Shaedon Sharpes or Devin Bookers out there who never started a game in college, yet still had a lot of potential. It is hard to know just yet.

 

[BankTeller]

Have you really looked at this year's draft?

Even if the pick was 'good' and ended up being #12 -> the talent in this draft is sub-par. I would much rather have Kuminga than anything after #10 this year.

I’ve looked at this class, and I would not trade a possible lotto pick for Kuminga. Warriors are still holding out hope that trading Kuminga can land them a star. They’re treating him like Lakers fans were thinking about THT. Kuminga obviously looks a lot better of a prospect than THT, but Brogdon is also a much better player than PatBev. The narrative that Kuminga will land a star in GS needs to just go away before I’m able to even think about acquiring Kuminga. If the Raptors are willing to give up Siakam for Kuminga, are we really in a position to try and win a bidding war for him?

Your thought on the draft is the same reasons teams like Brooklyn give up chances on the Dames of the world. Their GM only protected the pick 1-3 because he only thought AD, MKG, and Beal were franchise players. Keep in mind, this trade happened near the deadline, not early December. The Dame draft was also considered a poor draft prior to draft night, outside of the grand prize of AD. In hindsight, it turned out to be exactly what we thought, or a little better.

Two true all stars in Dame and AD. Beal was the franchise for awhile but not a true franchise player. A couple 2nd round gems like Draymond and Middleton. Outside of that, a LOT of guys bust. Meyers, MKG, Waiters, Fab Melo, Royce White didn’t even play in a single game, etc.

 

[BankTeller]

Agreed....no known star. But it is way too early to know if there are any Shaedon Sharpes or Devin Bookers out there who never started a game in college, yet still had a lot of potential. It is hard to know just yet.

Nets GM about the ‘12 draft: we only see three franchise altering players in this draft

That was after trading a top 3 protected 1st to us at the deadline. That turned out to be a stupid mistake. It’s only early December.

 

[BankTeller]

Visual representation (plus I put us getting our pick back from CHI, 'cause I said so!)

As I'm sure you know, this fails prior to 12/15 because Craig was signed this offseason.

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This isn’t nearly what I thought Brogdon was going to cost. So in the end, he’s worth an expiring, a pick between 25-30 next year, and a player that’s not even good enough to have a guaranteed deal in the league?

Magic have everything to love about this deal. If I’m the Bulls, I love this deal too—Klay’s huge contract will be off the books, and they are likely looking at two picks between end of the lotto and 20 in both years.

plus I put us getting our pick back from CHI, 'cause I said so!

Getting our first back is the only way to make this trade look like we don’t get shafted. I don’t think you’re actually going anywhere with that one lol.

 

[BankTeller]

for the next contention trajectory do the blazers still need to draft a #1 option or should they be content targeting #2, #3 options?

Would you be content with Shae being our #1 option going forward? If the answer is yes, then you’ve just answered your own question. Too many alpha dogs or guys that think they’re the #1 option becomes a problem eventually (see: Russ/KD, Harden/Howard, plenty more examples). I’d be perfectly content with finding the best #3 options AND making this the deepest bench in the league by the time we can contend.

Sarr is the one guy that we can look at as a #1 option. Outside of him, I’m not so sure. I do think guys like Buzelis and Castle can be great third options.

 

[BankTeller]

Do people understand why I want Kuminga so badly on this team now?

What can Kuminga be to you? How much is his next extension going to be worth? These are all questions I’d have before trading for him.

 

[Samuel]

Would you be content with Shae being our #1 option going forward? If the answer is yes, then you’ve just answered your own question. Too many alpha dogs or guys that think they’re the #1 option becomes a problem eventually (see: Russ/KD, Harden/Howard, plenty more examples). I’d be perfectly content with finding the best #3 options AND making this the deepest bench in the league by the time we can contend.

Sarr is the one guy that we can look at as a #1 option. Outside of him, I’m not so sure. I do think guys like Buzelis and Castle can be great third options.

I love shae but I think he's a tick more of a jalen than a jayson. was just curious what other folks thought.

that lies in contrast of high lottery picks—you want to go starhunting in that range (and i say that as a huge ryan dunn fan). the concern is that there may not be those stars in the top 10.

 

[illmatic99]

What can Kuminga be to you? How much is his next extension going to be worth? These are all questions I’d have before trading for him.

future starting forward. fits perfectly with ant/shaedon/tou/ayton. (replace ant with scoot when he earns the spot).

 

[STOMP]

future starting forward. fits perfectly with ant/shaedon/tou/ayton. (replace ant with scoot when he earns the spot).

Size and ability, sure he fits perfectly on any team including the Warriors who desperately need more quality in their frontcourt. Their struggles with him center around him not focusing on the things that would benefit the team most... rebounding, running the floor, defense, moving the ball, taking only open shots. Instead he wants to go one on one every time it's swung to him and coasts on Big man stuff. If he ever gets his head on straight he's going to be a load, but he's not there yet which is why they limit his minutes.

STOMP

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

. If he ever gets his head on straight he's going to be a load, but he's not there yet which is why they limit his minutes.

This is why you take a swing with him while he's gettable

 

[BankTeller]

future starting forward. fits perfectly with ant/shaedon/tou/ayton. (replace ant with scoot when he earns the spot).

How do you already know Kuminga is the perfect fit. I’d argue if Kuminga never becomes a decent 3 point shooter (he hasn’t even averaged 1 make a game in his career yet) he’s not the perfect fit with that lineup.

Again, I’m not against bringing Kuminga here, he’s definitely the kind of swing-low player I would look at bringing in. The key term would be swing-low though. So no, I wouldn’t be interested in giving up the GSW pick though. But this is a scenario in which I would give up a 1st:

We trade Grant to Indy for Hield, Toppin, the ‘24 OKC 1st, and a protected ‘25 IND 1st. Warriors aren’t trading Kuminga unless a star comes back imo. If Warriors pursue Siakam or OG (and inevitably give up Kuminga), we can try to swing the ‘24 OKC 1st and Kris to Toronto for Kuminga and some 2nds. This, I would do. Any more than this, we’re just better off waiting to see what he is at the end of his fourth season. He’ll be a restricted FA the summer after this one.

 

[Cugel]

I’ve looked at this class, and I would not trade a possible lotto pick for Kuminga. Warriors are still holding out hope that trading Kuminga can land them a star. They’re treating him like Lakers fans were thinking about THT. Kuminga obviously looks a lot better of a prospect than THT, but Brogdon is also a much better player than PatBev. The narrative that Kuminga will land a star in GS needs to just go away before I’m able to even think about acquiring Kuminga. If the Raptors are willing to give up Siakam for Kuminga, are we really in a position to try and win a bidding war for him?

Your thought on the draft is the same reasons teams like Brooklyn give up chances on the Dames of the world. Their GM only protected the pick 1-3 because he only thought AD, MKG, and Beal were franchise players. Keep in mind, this trade happened near the deadline, not early December. The Dame draft was also considered a poor draft prior to draft night, outside of the grand prize of AD. In hindsight, it turned out to be exactly what we thought, or a little better.

Two true all stars in Dame and AD. Beal was the franchise for awhile but not a true franchise player. A couple 2nd round gems like Draymond and Middleton. Outside of that, a LOT of guys bust. Meyers, MKG, Waiters, Fab Melo, Royce White didn’t even play in a single game, etc.

Wasn't THT the centerpiece for a putative Dame trade to the Lakers? LAL fans were clamoring that THT was the shit. They were right he is shit. If Kuminga had major potential Kerr would play him more. He probably doesn't have the bbiq for Kerr's system, just like Wiseman.

 

[MarinerDNA]

Have you really looked at this year's draft?

Even if the pick was 'good' and ended up being #12 -> the talent in this draft is sub-par. I would much rather have Kuminga than anything after #10 this year.

Agreed. His BBIQ may be low, but he's going to be a menace for the 6 years until his physical tools begin to decline

 

[BankTeller]

Agreed. His BBIQ may be low, but he's going to be a menace for the 6 years until his physical tools begin to decline

Low BBIQ sounds like he wouldn’t be a fit on this team at all. Physical talent and low BBIQ sounds like Marquise Chriss. Kuminga has shown more promise than Chriss ever did, but not enough for me to be confident he’ll be a star, or even high level starter.

If I’m being honest, his trajectory is a worse shooting/offensive, better defensive Harrison Barnes. I think that his peak is similar to Barnes’ stint with the Mavs. I’m wow’d by the athleticism and I’m confident the 3 will be fine, but I question why he isn’t getting time on the Warriors.

 

[BankTeller]

Wasn't THT the centerpiece for a putative Dame trade to the Lakers? LAL fans were clamoring that THT was the shit. They were right he is shit. If Kuminga had major potential Kerr would play him more. He probably doesn't have the bbiq for Kerr's system, just like Wiseman.

To be fair, Kuminga actually looks like he actually has potential. He sat until part way through the 3rd quarter and changed the entire result of the game.

But you’re right to question his pt.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Kuminga is decent from the limited time Kerr has played him. But do you all think he is that much better than Camara? They are about the same size and I can't see playing them together as neither can spread the floor....yet. Then you throw in Rupert who is longer and only 19, and seems to progressing nicely. And then you add our first-round draft pick who most likely will be a forward.....

Personally, I think that if we trade Brogdon or Grant, we need a forward in return with size..... who can shoot as well as Grant.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I look at the talent that Toronto has and 10-14 is unacceptable. If there is one team who should be willing to give us a quality forward it should be them. They could use Brogdon. I doubt they give us draft picks but either Grady or Precious might work. (plus Trent's 18 million ending contract)

I see various weights listed for Precious (225 to 243) but he is long, brings a lot of energy, and is shooting 40% in his last 10 games from 3.

 

[BankTeller]

I look at the talent that Toronto has and 10-14 is unacceptable. If there is one team who should be willing to give us a quality forward it should be them. They could use Brogdon. I doubt they give us draft picks but either Grady or Precious might work. (plus Trent's 18 million ending contract)

I see various weights listed for Precious (225 to 243) but he is long, brings a lot of energy, and is shooting 40% in his last 10 games from 3.

I’d much rather just grab Matas who has more potential than Gradey is pretty much every way, while being on par as a shooter. I’d rather trade Brogdon to the Magic for Bitazde, filler, the ‘25 DEN 1st. I need that 1st for Brogdon. Even if it’s a top 5 protected pick from a team like the Nuggets. The Warriors 1st was a bad 1st just right before the season. Weird things happen, injuries happen.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I’d much rather just grab Matas who has more potential than Gradey is pretty much every way, while being on par as a shooter. I’d rather trade Brogdon to the Magic for , filler, the ‘25 DEN 1st. I need that 1st for Brogdon. Even if it’s a top 5 protected pick from a team like the Nuggets. The Warriors 1st was a bad 1st just right before the season. Weird things happen, injuries happen.

Why does Orlando need another guard when the ones they have are playing well? If I were them I sure wouldn't do it. We need a more desperate trading partner. Orlando is 8-2 in their last 10 games.

If you prefer Matas over Gradey that does not hinder us from getting Precious.

 

[BankTeller]

Why does Orlando need another guard when the ones they have are playing well? If I were them I sure wouldn't do it. We need a more desperate trading partner. Orlando is 8-2 in their last 10 games.

If you prefer Matas over Gradey that does not hinder us from getting Precious.

Because all of their guards are young and have yet to see a minute of playoff action. Of course, they could sit on their hands and try to grow from within, or they can bring in a vet to can actually try to put them over the top while they’re fighting for HCA. The season isn’t 22 games, it’s 82 games.

I wouldn’t be mad at Achiuwa, I just wouldn’t take Gradey in place of a 1st. I would take Achiuwa, Trent Jr, and a top 10 protected 1st in ‘27 that stays top 10 protected until ‘29, otherwise two 2nds.

That deal, I could stomach. I don’t even know if we could get a 2nd for him, but we could sit him at home.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Because all of their guards are young and have yet to see a minute of playoff action. Of course, they could sit on their hands and try to grow from within, or they can bring in a vet to can actually try to put them over the top while they’re fighting for HCA. The season isn’t 22 games, it’s 82 games.

I wouldn’t be mad at Achiuwa, I just wouldn’t take Gradey in place of a 1st. I would take Achiuwa, Trent Jr, and a top 10 protected 1st in ‘27 that stays top 10 protected until ‘29, otherwise two 2nds.

That deal, I could stomach. I don’t even know if we could get a 2nd for him, but we could sit him at home.

I believe that we want Orlando (and other teams) to think there is a big enough need to give us what we want, but my guess is our best bet will be teams who become "desperate enough" to pull the trigger. Maybe Orlando will become that team if they have a key injury to one of their PGs.....but right now I don't see it.