Marbury: "I'll Play My Way"

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Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.

Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.

This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.

And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.

Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.

This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.

And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.</div>


Yes, playing with 10 different coaches affects a player and his style. When you have a coach, you a presented a system on how he wants you to play.

Stephon Marbury has been productive, and has averaged 20 and 8 consistantly, throughout his career. For all his teams.

Marbury has taken 3 NBA franchises to the playoffs. The Suns, the Twovles, the Knicks...and except for the Nets who were an embarassment to the NBA in the 90s.

Keith Van Horn was in his prime playing with Marbury. Keith Van Horn is non atheletic, and Marbury used Keith's jump shooting ability and post game in the half court set, to create shots for a player like Keith Van Horn.


If you can't acknowledge the changes Marbury has gone through his long career, then you won't understand the situation going on between Brown and Marbury.

You don't watch the New York Knicks, so let tell you something.

Marbury in the beginning of the season didn't take stupid shots, he played good defense, he didn't turn it over, and he threw the ball to Curry, and made Channing Fyre who's similar to Keith Van Horn into an offensive weapon. Marbury works great with big men.

Knicks were a playoff team a couple years ago, but we continue to get worse.

As a person who hasn't watched a Knick game, the last part was poor, the Knicks problem is Isiah/Dolan.

I already said Larry Brown style doesn't fit with the guys on this roster, I've said that the first day Brown signed here, I'm open to hear what you have to say, not what you have to repeat what I said.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha. Yeah let's all blame Coach Brown. Marbury is saying things like this? As if the old starbury can change things? COme on.</div>
What about when Marbury played in the '03-04 season? We changed big time and were a pretty decent team, especially when we had a healthy Houston and Van Horn on the floor.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Playing with 10 coaches is difficult because he had to adjust to the system? No. He played for 10 coaches because teams and coaches can't adjust to him.</div>
Not true.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This boys and girls is the reason why the Wolves, Nets and Suns weren't successful with him in tow and succeeded after he left. Come on. 10 coaches can't be wrong. You can't blame all of them. It's Marbury who is at fault.</div>
What happened to the T'Wolves? Where are they now? Don't say the Wolves finally made it out of the first round 6 years after Marbury left? What are you talking about? Kidd did make the team much better, but we can't forget when he came they had Richard Jefferson and a healthy Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Keith Van Horn. The Suns got better, but, again, they had a healthy Amare and signed Quentin Richardson in the offseason. The year before the Suns almost eliminated the eventual World Champion Spurs.

I'm not saying Marbury is a better point guard than any of the aforementioned ones. All I'm saying is the situations he's put in are usually neglected. I also understand a player is judged by wins and losses, but wins and losses don't necessarily define a player.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And don't u go blaming Brown. He has his shortcomings, but the knicks sucked even before him. Why did u think he was brought in the first place? Coz they wanted to infuse his system to the Knicks. It's not his fault that the team is crappy. So another Isiah experiment failed. Fire him and Brown. Maybe then the new GM can stop loading in dead weights and superstars just for the heck of it and then maybe just maybe create a team capable of competing. Right from the start, we all knew that Brown shouldn't have taken the job because his style doesn't fit the Knicks. But no matter how different ur style is with the coach, u never say in public that "I'll play my way" esp if you're a point guard.</div>
Brown is very much to blame for the Knicks this season. He has no consistency when he coaches and tears the players up. The lack of trust between a coach and a player is important in a players performance.
 
When Larry took Steph out of the game in the 2nd quarter and refused to let him back in while we went down by 12 is why we lost against the Nuggets.
 
Wow, this is the exact attitude that you would NOT want from a player, and especially not your star player. He's basically saying that he's given up on the whole team concept in favour of playing his usual me-first ball, or whatever it takes to garner him the most money. The guy just oozes selfishness.... (btw, doesn't he have any PR guys to let him know that when talking to the media you should NEVER mention money, especially if you're saying that it's a means of motivation for playing good??)

For those defending Marbury, think of the big picture here.... do you REALLY want Marbury to go back to Starbury? There's a reason why Larry Brown was brought there in the first place, and that's so he WON'T go back to his old ways. Sure you're losing a ton of games right now, and having Starbury back will probably cure that.... but it will come at a cost. The cost you ask? Well Marbury will see that his old me-first style of play is winning games for his team, and as a result, will make it almost impossible for him to embrace the team concept ever again. And don't be fooled when (or if) your team does win games when Starbury comes back b/c playing it his way will only result in mediocrity for as long as he's with the team. Just ask the Nets and the Suns.... and any team for that matter seeing how most of them are steering clear from acquring him.

Having said that, I can understand the frustrations w/ Larry Brown. I think he doesn't do a good job in balancing how much of the game should follow a strict structure and how much of it should be free flowing. He's also too hard on the young guys and has very questionable rotations. However, his ideas of playing good team ball is exactly what the Knicks (and all teams for that matter) should strive for.

So it's okay if you're not liking the way Larry Brown's running the team, but you definitely shouldn't be taking Marbury's comments as a positive sign of things to come.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jose:</div><div class="quote_post">When Larry took Steph out of the game in the 2nd quarter and refused to let him back in while we went down by 12 is why we lost against the Nuggets.</div>

The Knicks were down by five at halftime and got blown to bits in the third quarter and I'm pretty sure he was playing in that quarter...so what are you talking about?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">What about when Marbury played in the '03-04 season? We changed big time and were a pretty decent team, especially when we had a healthy Houston and Van Horn on the floor.


Not true.


What happened to the T'Wolves? Where are they now? Don't say the Wolves finally made it out of the first round 6 years after Marbury left? What are you talking about? Kidd did make the team much better, but we can't forget when he came they had Richard Jefferson and a healthy Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Keith Van Horn. The Suns got better, but, again, they had a healthy Amare and signed Quentin Richardson in the offseason. The year before the Suns almost eliminated the eventual World Champion Spurs.

I'm not saying Marbury is a better point guard than any of the aforementioned ones. All I'm saying is the situations he's put in are usually neglected. I also understand a player is judged by wins and losses, but wins and losses don't necessarily define a player.


Brown is very much to blame for the Knicks this season. He has no consistency when he coaches and tears the players up. The lack of trust between a coach and a player is important in a players performance.</div>

You do realize that Amare isnt playing at all right now and that Richardson was traded to the Knicks and that right now the Nash has household names like Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, Tim Thomas, James Jones, Eddie House and their still going to win 50 games this year? I think it's painfully obvious that Steve Nash is responsible for the Suns success not Amare. All Marbury has are excuses. He has a supposedly bad team around him in New Jersey he says he's all alone and cant win. You give him a talented team in New York last season and all he does is lose. Give him even more talent and the best coach in the game and all he does is lose even more and complain about how he doesnt have freedom to jack up shots whenever he feels like it.

Anyway I'm getting tired of people defending Marbury. The team wins 2 games straight and then he comes out and says he's going to go back to playing his way. The Starbury way. I guess winning isnt enough for Starbury. He has to have the big numbers. After all how is he supposed to get the big contract without the big numbers? He didnt say he needs to step his game up to help the team. He didnt say he needs to try harder to learn Brown's system so he can raise his game like Billups did. He didnt say he was going to get his teammates more open looks. He didnt say he was going to put in more effort and play better defense. He complained about his numbers. He whined that he couldnt get a max contract with the numbers he's putting up.

Starbury is officially a cancer. All he cares about is getting 20 and 8 and his next big fat payday. And that's why he's a career loser. Not because lack of talent but because all he cares about is his own personal glory and the money. He should be traded immediately. It doesnt matter if we get an All Star in return, expiring contracts, picks or potato chips. If we cant move him he needs to ride out the remainder of his contract at home. Either way I dont want to see Marbury or Starbury or whatever the Hell he's calling himself today around the team or in a Knick uniform.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
 
I was a Marbury hater, but I grew up out of that immature ****...real talk, Marbury doesn't HURT this team, he isn't a cancer. You have to be mad closed minded to think he's a cancer.

Isiah Thomas has assembled this mess.

Why is everyone getting so whiney about Marbury? He just said he wants to play like an All Star again and help this team out.
 
Look guys, I'm not even going to explain my side coz I don't want this to be another one of those Starbury is the best PG vs. Starbury is a cancer thread. I've done that before. All I'm saying is he has to stop saying things as if he's the messiah of this team. That all he has to do is go back to his playing style and things will change. He had those chances before. 10 coaches can't be wrong about him. He is talented but he can't blame Brown on this one. Everyone is to blame esp. Isiah.
 
unbelivable...marbury's attitude is ridiculous, and knick fans supporting it are crazy. larry brown is a (future) hall of fame coach...marbury is just being arrogant and moronic. how can anyone support a players declaration of mutiny? (sp?) he's telling everyone that he's going to ignore the coach...and you support that?

what a mess this team is

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">

That is very important, but at the same time Larry Brown should understand his players, and NBA today is one on one, Larry Brown is trying to present a 1960's style to players who are new school.

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it is? thats funny...because the best teams in the league are playing a TEAM game...and the teams that rely on 1-on-1 play arent doin so hot. ie: philly, lakers...etc
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I was a Marbury hater, but I grew up out of that immature ****...real talk, Marbury doesn't HURT this team, he isn't a cancer. You have to be mad closed minded to think he's a cancer.

Isiah Thomas has assembled this mess.

Why is everyone getting so whiney about Marbury? He just said he wants to play like an All Star again and help this team out.</div>

Larry Brown said he doesn't have a problem with Marbury getting his 20/8. The main gripe is on the defensive end of the court. He wants Marbury to put more effort on defense.
 
Listen, you guys continue to fail to comprenhend what we're saying....

10 Coachs were wrong about Marbury....about what? They got fired cause of Marbury? Are you really that close minded to believe that? Especially when Marbury has been of the most productive PG's in the NBA over the last 10 years and has taken 3 teams to the playoffs?

We never said Marbury is the best point guard in the NBA either, and most plays in the NBA end up being situational one on one plays. I didn't say all teams rely on one on one situations, there are teams who share the ball greatly and don't force things...like Phoneix, San Antonio, and Detriot.

Here is what we believe, as Knick fans.

Marbury is far from a cancer, he doesn't do anything to hurt this team. I'm a hardcore Isiah hater, and I hate all his moves, but I'm mature enough to realize the talented invidivuals we have.

Its just that, Marbury isn't the answer to our problems. No one on this roster is the answer, and thats what makes Isiah such a terrible GM, he doesn't address our weaknesses, he just overloads our team with players formers teams don't want anymore. He's made the Knicks franchise into the garbage disposal of the NBA.
 
This soap opera is getting ridiculous. I wonder what's next.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen, you guys continue to fail to comprenhend what we're saying....

10 Coachs were wrong about Marbury....about what? They got fired cause of Marbury? Are you really that close minded to believe that? Especially when Marbury has been of the most productive PG's in the NBA over the last 10 years and has taken 3 teams to the playoffs?

We never said Marbury is the best point guard in the NBA either, and most plays in the NBA end up being situational one on one plays. I didn't say all teams rely on one on one situations, there are teams who share the ball greatly and don't force things...like Phoneix, San Antonio, and Detriot.

Here is what we believe, as Knick fans.

Marbury is far from a cancer, he doesn't do anything to hurt this team. I'm a hardcore Isiah hater, and I hate all his moves, but I'm mature enough to realize the talented invidivuals we have.

Its just that, Marbury isn't the answer to our problems. No one on this roster is the answer, and thats what makes Isiah such a terrible GM, he doesn't address our weaknesses, he just overloads our team with players formers teams don't want anymore. He's made the Knicks franchise into the garbage disposal of the NBA.</div>
It hurts the team in more ways than one. Q and Crawford have already taken sides, which segregates the team and with the way Marbury is handling this more and more players are going to choose. You'll have guys like Taylor and James agreeing with Marbury because like Marbury they are players who don't/can't adapt to Brown's system. It could build up to the point where the team has to be completely rebuilt again.
 
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