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STOMP said:
Like most scorers, I think he's better playing on the ball then off. With Dame gone, he'll have the opportunity to be the lead much more often. We shall see, but especially if the plan is to profile him for a trade I'd start him at PG with Sharpe at SG.

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Also curious to see if his defense would look less abysmal in such a lineup.
 
I like Ant a lot and want to keep him long-term as the sniper off the bench who can start when injuries occur.

However, there is one trade scenario where I would want him to start over Scoot for the first year. If we add a defender who plays in the front court and can run the offense but needs to be surrounded by shooters, I would start Simons, Sharpe, Grant, Simmons, and Nurk (or whoever we have at center)

If Simmons is not the salary coming back in the trade then I would start Scoot and bring Ant and Thybulle off the bench.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I like Ant a lot and want to keep him long-term as the sniper off the bench who can start when injuries occur.

However, there is one trade scenario where I would want him to start over Scoot for the first year. If we add a defender who plays in the front court and can run the offense but needs to be surrounded by shooters, I would start Simons, Sharpe, Grant, Simmons, and Nurk (or whoever we have at center)

If Simmons is not the salary coming back in the trade then I would start Scoot and bring Ant and Thybulle off the bench.
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Yup. I don’t see any reason to start Simons. If he’s gonna be here long term he needs to accept a bench role. Might as well start now. I have a feeling that Scoot is gonna clearly own the starting point guard spot.
 
Mediocre Man said:
That makes sense, but why would his value go up? He’s had two years of good offensive basketball.
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As the lead guy he puts up better numbers. Without Dame you give him the chance to put up better numbers and it could make it easier to convince teams that he's a star level creator instead of the secondary guy the league seems to view him as currently.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. I don’t see any reason to start Simons. If he’s gonna be here long term he needs to accept a bench role. Might as well start now. I have a feeling that Scoot is gonna clearly own the starting point guard spot.
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Killing his value to both the team and on the trade market doesn't make sense. Start him then trade him if that's the plan.
 
BonesJones said:
Killing his value to both the team and on the trade market doesn't make sense. Start him then trade him if that's the plan.
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I see the reasoning, but I think his long term value in this league is as a bench spark plug. No better time to make that transition than now.

I guess we will see what Chauncey decides to do in training camp. I was really hoping to move Simons this offseason.
 
BonesJones said:
As the lead guy he puts up better numbers. Without Dame you give him the chance to put up better numbers and it could make it easier to convince teams that he's a star level creator instead of the secondary guy the league seems to view him as currently.
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Yeah but we don't want him to be the lead guy. We want Scoot to be the lead guy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah but we don't want him to be the lead guy. We want Scoot to be the lead guy.
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I would like to see him next to a (hopefully) more pass happy PG than Dame. The year Dame was out, Ant had an absurd catch and shoot 3P percentage. With Dame in, they played more - my time, your time - Dame is a scoring guard first and most of his assists are not guards, but to the rollers from the pick and roll.

If Ant can regain his absurd off-the-ball catch and shoot percentage, it will be great.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I guess I’d rather have Sharpe at his natural position than playing out of position
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exactly

all these awkward and ill-advised rotation and roster contortions are for only one purpose: to accommodate Ant and justify keeping him. It's dumb. Fortunately, there's a very simple and elegant solution to this problem
 
andalusian said:
I would like to see him next to a (hopefully) more pass happy PG than Dame. The year Dame was out, Ant had an absurd catch and shoot 3P percentage. With Dame in, they played more - my time, your time - Dame is a scoring guard first and most of his assists are not guards, but to the rollers from the pick and roll.

If Ant can regain his absurd off-the-ball catch and shoot percentage, it will be great.
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This ^
 
Can you imagine our defense though..... with Scoot/Ant/Sharpe? That's just depressing.
 
andalusian said:
I would like to see him next to a (hopefully) more pass happy PG than Dame. The year Dame was out, Ant had an absurd catch and shoot 3P percentage. With Dame in, they played more - my time, your time - Dame is a scoring guard first and most of his assists are not guards, but to the rollers from the pick and roll.

If Ant can regain his absurd off-the-ball catch and shoot percentage, it will be great.
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you're welding Ant's catch & shoot numbers to Dame. I'd weld it to his number of attempts

* in 2020-21, Ant's eFG on C&S was 77.1% on 2.2 attempts/game
* in 2021-22, Ant's eFG on C&S was 71.5% on 4.0 attempts/game
* in 2022-23, Ant's eFG on C&S was 58.7% on 4.9 attempts/game

pretty clear correlation there

these are essentially all three point shots as well, so it's worth looking at Ant's assisted FG rate on three's

* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 71.0%
* in 2021-22, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 65.4%
* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 68.4%

not sure that really tells us anything other than ascribing Ant's C&S conversion rate to playing with Dame seems a pretty big stretch. It also seems to be trying to revise history into Dame not being a willing or capable passer; he was 10th in the NBA in assist rate last season

something else too: right now, the only play-maker & facilitator Portland has on the team is Scoot...and maybe (roll eyes) Keon. So in order to get Ant these great C&S opportunities you imagine Dame didn't get him is to be on the floor with Scoot....meaning either Sharpe is on the bench or he's playing out of position. People were worried about Dame/Scoot playing together; I'd suggest Ant/Scoot will be worse
 
wizenheimer said:
you're welding Ant's catch & shoot numbers to Dame. I'd weld it to his number of attempts

* in 2020-21, Ant's eFG on C&S was 77.1% on 2.2 attempts/game
* in 2021-22, Ant's eFG on C&S was 71.5% on 4.0 attempts/game
* in 2022-23, Ant's eFG on C&S was 58.7% on 4.9 attempts/game

pretty clear correlation there

these are essentially all three point shots as well, so it's worth looking at Ant's assisted FG rate on three's

* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 71.0%
* in 2021-22, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 65.4%
* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 68.4%

not sure that really tells us anything other than ascribing Ant's C&S conversion rate to playing with Dame seems a pretty big stretch. It also seems to be trying to revise history into Dame not being a willing or capable passer; he was 10th in the NBA in assist rate last season

something else too: right now, the only play-maker & facilitator Portland has on the team is Scoot...and maybe (roll eyes) Keon. So in order to get Ant these great C&S opportunities you imagine Dame didn't get him is to be on the floor with Scoot....meaning either Sharpe is on the bench or he's playing out of position. People were worried about Dame/Scoot playing together; I'd suggest Ant/Scoot will be worse
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Yup. If Ant has a future here, he's either going to embrace a bench role or he's out. It's that simple to me.
 
wizenheimer said:
you're welding Ant's catch & shoot numbers to Dame. I'd weld it to his number of attempts

* in 2020-21, Ant's eFG on C&S was 77.1% on 2.2 attempts/game
* in 2021-22, Ant's eFG on C&S was 71.5% on 4.0 attempts/game
* in 2022-23, Ant's eFG on C&S was 58.7% on 4.9 attempts/game

pretty clear correlation there

these are essentially all three point shots as well, so it's worth looking at Ant's assisted FG rate on three's

* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 71.0%
* in 2021-22, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 65.4%
* in 2020-21, Ant's assisted FG Rate on three's was 68.4%

not sure that really tells us anything other than ascribing Ant's C&S conversion rate to playing with Dame seems a pretty big stretch. It also seems to be trying to revise history into Dame not being a willing or capable passer; he was 10th in the NBA in assist rate last season

something else too: right now, the only play-maker & facilitator Portland has on the team is Scoot...and maybe (roll eyes) Keon. So in order to get Ant these great C&S opportunities you imagine Dame didn't get him is to be on the floor with Scoot....meaning either Sharpe is on the bench or he's playing out of position. People were worried about Dame/Scoot playing together; I'd suggest Ant/Scoot will be worse
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I discussed C&S 3P percent, don't know why we care about eFG which dirties the data with other stuff, but here is what I can see from the last 3 years

2022-2023, C&S 3PA 4.9, 3P% 39.2, 1252 minutes with Dame
2021-2022, C&S 3PA 4.0, 3P% 47.8, 377 minutes with Dame
2020-2021, C&S 3PA 2.2, 3P%, 51.4 422 minutes with Dame

Ant's 3P% on C&S fell down playing a lot next to Dame, it was higher when he did not play that much with him. The data absolutely matches what my eyes told me. It is again, not a surprise when you looked at Portland's offense with Dame dominating the ball vs. when he is off the ball. The ball certainly moves around better when Dame is not dominating the ball. You want Dame dominating the ball because of how devastating he is in P&R situations, but when Ant plays next to Dame and Dame does his P&R stuff is not conducive for Ant running for C&S in the flow of the offense. If the Blazers offense flows more within the new Shae / Scoot era, I hope that Ant recovers his devastating C&S 3P%
 
Natebishop3 said:


Chris Haynes is such a massive tool.
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Ha, I hope someone asks Thybulle about that. If it is true, not that big of a deal. But if it was exaggerated by Haynes, it would be nice to know. It sure seems like Haynes seems has an agenda. Why say it? Even if it is true it does not help Matisse out in Portland. He said the same thing about Batum and Minnesota. Then Nic had to walk it back when he got back to Portland.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Ha, I hope someone asks Thybulle about that. If it is true, not that big of a deal. But if it was exaggerated by Haynes, it would be nice to know. It sure seems like Haynes seems has an agenda. Why say it? Even if it is true it does not help Matisse out in Portland. He said the same thing about Batum and Minnesota. Then Nic had to walk it back when he got back to Portland.
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Haynes is doing his absolute best to try to shit on our team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. I don’t see any reason to start Simons. If he’s gonna be here long term he needs to accept a bench role. Might as well start now. I have a feeling that Scoot is gonna clearly own the starting point guard spot.
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Ant will start my amigo. He will NOT be coming off the bench for either of these two. He will be traded before he comes off the bench. Put in TOO much work.
 
Of all the "insiders and experts" people on here post, Chris actually DOES know what's going on and actually HAS relationships with players. If there is somebody I'd believe he's one of 'em.
 
I don't see anything wrong with Matisse wanting to be on the Mavs. He would have started and had a chance to compete.

Here, he's what, the 6th man at best?
 
B-Roy said:
I don't see anything wrong with Matisse wanting to be on the Mavs. He would have started and had a chance to compete.

Here, he's what, the 6th man at best?
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The chance to play with two superstars for an owner that's shown they will spend to win.... no reason to believe he wasn't pumped to go down there. That said, very happy he will be returning to us. Love his game.
 
THE HCP said:
We will go small this year a bunch. No choice right?
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We could go big. Not saying we will be good, but we can go big by moving Grant to SF and starting Sharpe at SG.
Maybe Ben Simmons at forward? or Maybe Jovic. Again not ideal but quite possible.

Jovic to me is no worse a defender than say Michael Porter Jr, and is a better passer.
I bet his floor is a healthy Gallanari.
 
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