Maybe we shouldn't trade Crabbe yet?

[oldfisherman]

Due to the soft cap, and hard cap of the NBA. Portland is able to resign Plumlee if they want to. They have the available money to do so.
People are up in arms about the LT, however no one on this board knows if Allen is willing to pay it or isn't.
Portland has a history of not wanting players to leave for nothing, or so that's what has been reported.
I'd say that is more telling of what will happen if Plumlee isn't traded and Portland has the option of to let him walk, or max.

Paul Allen quote

"That darn luxury tax is pretty painful. You have to make those decisions. As you know, at one point, I believe I had the record for the highest luxury tax payments. In the end, that didn't make sense. So that's something we'll have to look at very carefully. Sometimes you can go into the tax for a year or something and then come out of it if it makes sense as you're transitioning through different player contracts. So it's something Neil and I will evaluate very carefully."

 

[H.C.]

Paul Allen quote

That quite basically tells me exactly what history has shown.
Plumlee isn't walking away for nothing. If the option comes to max, or walk. He's staying in Portland. They have the cap space to do so.

 

[tester551]

I'm curious, why do people believe Portland can't afford to resign Plumlee?
He's a restricted free agent this off-season & Potland has his bird rights. Meaning Portland can go over the soft cap to resign him.
Allen might not want to pay the LT, but that has nothing to do with Portland's ability to resign RFA's who they own bird rights on.
Portland isn't even close to the Hard cap.(which is the one that can't be exceeded for any reason)
Should they want to, there is nothing holding back Portland from resigning Plumlee.

In this case, what Allen wants - he gets.

If you were an NBA owner, would you pay the LT for this team? I sure as hell would not.

 

[H.C.]

In this case, what Allen wants - he gets.

If you were an NBA owner, would you pay the LT for this team? I sure as hell would not.

If I'm the owner and a trade can't be made. I would fire the GM if he let a player like Plumlee walk for nothing. When the team could resign him. I've already said this...
Being that someone quoted Allen a couple posts before saying the exact samething, I think your question is silly and offers nothing to the op/my question

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not sure it's about money, though the money adds up - even for a $billionaire. The roster/salaries/trade penalties for being in the LT broke the heat, and likely will break up the Cavs before too long.

That $billionaire from Russia who owned the Nyets paid a fortune in LT (over $100M, no?) and he bailed on that strategy in a hurry.

 

[riverman]

he bailed on that strategy in a hurry

I thought he bailed because he was running for office in Russia and it was a conflict of interest? Seems I read that but he was a trader Bob without an eye for talent that's for sure

 

[Denny Crane]

I thought he bailed because he was running for office in Russia and it was a conflict of interest? Seems I read that but he was a trader Bob without an eye for talent that's for sure

10 years losing $100M is a $billion. Not chump change.

That was the old CBA, too, I think. The new on is ridiculous.

 

[H.C.]

That $billionaire from Russia who owned the Nyets paid a fortune in LT (over $100M, no?) and he bailed on that strategy in a hurry.

did that guy ever get married like he said he would? I don't even remember his name... Or if he is still even the owner in the NBA.

 

[oldfisherman]

If I'm the owner and a trade can't be made. I would fire the GM if he let a player like Plumlee walk for nothing. When the team could resign him. I've already said this...
Being that someone quoted Allen a couple posts before saying the exact samething, I think your question is silly and offers nothing to the op/my question

I believe your interpretation of what PA said in the quote is silly.

My guess is, you have never been a business person. It also appears that you do not understand the business side of the NBA. I have been a business person my entire working life (50 years). Retired, I now spend more time researching the business side of the NBA than the game itself. Business is what I enjoy doing.

Maybe you are confused because I did not include the question that was asked of PA. I will now include the question that resulted in his quote in my post above.

Joe Freeman asked the question on Sept. 27, 2016.

With so much of the core of this team locked up for years, are you prepared to pay the luxury tax?

You have told us your interpretation of PA's answer. This is my interpretation of what PA’s said.

Of course NO and I will explore ALL options, including paying the luxury tax, and then find the best answer. However, based on my past experience with paying the LT, it was not the best option then. It did not make sense in the past under the old CBA. Paying the LT was a mistake. Now the new CBA has much higher penalties, but we will still consider paying it. But don’t hold your breath that we will pay a ton of LT. And if we do pay LT, we will try to limit the damage to as few years as possible, and pay as little LT as possible.


Nowhere in his quote does he say he plans to re-sign Plumlee if it puts the team deep into the LT, as you keep saying in many of your posts. Also he does not say he will fire the GM if he lets Plumlee walk for nothing. These maybe your opinions and I respect your opinion. Please stop making stuff up and passing it off as a fact, your starting to sound like Clownzano.

 

[handiman]

I thought he bailed because he was running for office in Russia and it was a conflict of interest?

That sounds like a bad Trump joke.

 

[riverman]

That sounds like a bad Trump joke.

I try

 

[H.C.]

I believe your interpretation of what PA said in the quote is silly.

My guess is, you have never been a business person. It also appears that you do not understand the business side of the NBA. I have been a business person my entire working life (50 years). Retired, I now spend more time researching the business side of the NBA than the game itself. Business is what I enjoy doing.
Maybe you are confused because I did not include the question that was asked of PA. I will now include the question that resulted in his quote in my post above.
Joe Freeman asked the question on Sept. 27, 2016.
You have told us your interpretation of PA's answer. This is my interpretation of what PA’s said.
Of course NO and I will explore ALL options, including paying the luxury tax, and then find the best answer. However, based on my past experience with paying the LT, it was not the best option then. It did not make sense in the past under the old CBA. Paying the LT was a mistake. Now the new CBA has much higher penalties, but we will still consider paying it. But don’t hold your breath that we will pay a ton of LT. And if we do pay LT, we will try to limit the damage to as few years as possible, and pay as little LT as possible.
Nowhere in his quote does he say he plans to re-sign Plumlee if it puts the team deep into the LT, as you keep saying in many of your posts. Also he does not say he will fire the GM if he lets Plumlee walk for nothing. These maybe your opinions and I respect your opinion. Please stop making stuff up and passing it off as a fact, your starting to sound like Clownzano.

Too long, wish I never read.
Won't write about my experience/much of a reply.

Any successful business knows assets make business more profitable.
Any successful business accumulates assets and does their best to not let them walk for nothing in return.
Any successful businessman knows this.

I won't brag on an online forum about "what I like or what my career is".
One scruffy & very active mod asked a year or two ago and I told him.
Based off finding out, he told me "You'd do a great job moderating this forum." Had a laugh, was good fun.

You say I'm starting to sound like Clownzano? But who's the one putting words in another posters post?
Or is that Jaynes who does that? IDK because neither of them is worth my ear.

Portland has the cap space to resign Plumlee, and will do so rather than letting him walk for nothing if they're unable to do something else.
Oh right, Neil has never talked about asset accumulation. No businessman would ever try to accumulate assets.

Hi CP3.
Hi Clippers.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That quite basically tells me exactly what history has shown.
Plumlee isn't walking away for nothing. If the option comes to max, or walk. He's staying in Portland. They have the cap space to do so.

Right. We don't want to let him walk for nothing that's for sure. We can sign him no doubt. I think most took it as sign him and keep him. If we sign him, we need to trade him before the following year.
I suppose it depends on what we are looking for. trade him now if we want to use him in a package, or trade him later for a slary dump type of deal.
Either way, I do not see Plums in a Blazer Jersey come the start of 2019

 

[Denny Crane]

did that guy ever get married like he said he would? I don't even remember his name... Or if he is still even the owner in the NBA.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

1) Serious questions: What is the LT at, and how much is the LT going up next season? Some of the math above assume it's staying at the same level.

2) Crabbe was certainly overpaid. That being said, I think many opinions about Crabbe's contract will change, at least a bit, if Caldwell-Pope is extended, based on the amount he gets.

 

[TBpup]

1) Serious questions: What is the LT at, and how much is the LT going up next season? Some of the math above assume it's staying at the same level.

2) Crabbe was certainly overpaid. That being said, I think many opinions about Crabbe's contract will change, at least a bit, if Caldwell-Pope is extended, based on the amount he gets.

The Luxury Tax is at $113,300,000. (Cap is at $94,000,000) Luxury Tax for next season is projected to be around $122,000,000 but won't have a definitive number for a bit. (Cap projected to be at $102,000,000)

 

[oldfisherman]

1) Serious questions: What is the LT at, and how much is the LT going up next season? Some of the math above assume it's staying at the same level.

2) Crabbe was certainly overpaid. That being said, I think many opinions about Crabbe's contract will change, at least a bit, if Caldwell-Pope is extended, based on the amount he gets.

The Blazers only have 10 guaranteed contracts so far next season, plus one dead cap (Varejao) for a total of $126,865,740. Which already puts them above all projected LT thresholds.

Add in the salaries of the draft picks, and the Blazers go deeper into LT territory.

Do you also keep Tim & Pat’s non-guaranteed contracts? Then add those in. Blazers go deeper into LT terrirtory.


All of this before Plumlee is re-signed.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Blazers only have 10 guaranteed contracts so far next season, plus one dead cap (Varejao) for a total of $126,865,740. Which already puts them above all projected LT thresholds.

Add in the salaries of the draft picks, and the Blazers go deeper into LT territory.

Do you also keep Tim & Pat’s non-guaranteed contracts? Then add those in. Blazers go deeper into LT terrirtory.


All of this before Plumlee is re-signed.

So, losing the contracts of Davis and Leonard get us under? I'm pretty sure we could get a protected 2nd round pick for each.

That's one scenario.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The Luxury Tax is at $113,300,000. (Cap is at $94,000,000) Luxury Tax for next season is projected to be around $122,000,000 but won't have a definitive number for a bit. (Cap projected to be at $102,000,000)

The Blazers only have 10 guaranteed contracts so far next season, plus one dead cap (Varejao) for a total of $126,865,740. Which already puts them above all projected LT thresholds.

Add in the salaries of the draft picks, and the Blazers go deeper into LT territory.

Do you also keep Tim & Pat’s non-guaranteed contracts? Then add those in. Blazers go deeper into LT terrirtory.


All of this before Plumlee is re-signed.

Thanks guys, this puts things in perspective. I think I (and maybe others) forgot about CJs contract increasing by $20 mil from this season to the next.

 

[oldfisherman]

So, losing the contracts of Davis and Leonard get us under? I'm pretty sure we could get a protected 2nd round pick for each.

That's one scenario.

Without putting a pencil to it, it probably would be close.

However, now you only have 8 returning players, a bunch of rookies and projects, and zero centers.

Olshey has painted himself into a corner. There are no good ways to get out of his mess without going deep into LT territory for a center.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Without putting a pencil to it, it probably would be close.

However, now you only have 8 returning players, a bunch of rookies and projects, and zero centers.

Olshey has painted himself into a corner. There are no good ways to get out of his mess without going deep into LT territory for a center.

A trade of Crabbe (+ pick) to PHI would be a great help. It get's us a center, and granted Noel will get paid this summer, he'll probably get less than if PHI hadn't jerked him around for the first two months of the season and hurt his trade value. He might even get less, as a starting salary, than Crabbe's outgoing $18.5 million.

BNM

 

[RR7]

A trade of Crabbe (+ pick) to PHI would be a great help. It get's us a center, and granted Noel will get paid this summer, he'll probably get less than if PHI hadn't jerked him around for the first two months of the season and hurt his trade value. He might even get less, as a starting salary, than Crabbe's outgoing $18.5 million.

BNM

A lot on here want to deal Crabbe and a pick for Noel. Asuming that's his general value around the league, it would stand to reason a team would happily gamble on his upside with a deal similar to Crabbe's. Brooklyn threw 18 a year at a guy averaging 10/2/1. I'd think it's very reasonable to assume someone will do the same for Noel.

 

[oldfisherman]

Noel has played well recently, his minutes have greatly increased. He is given a large part of the credit for winning 4 of the last 6 games, a rare event in recent Philly history.

Philly my not want to trade him now, and if they do, his value is going up. And so will his next contract.

My guess is, some GM will step up and offer Noel a max or near max contract.

 

[blue9]

Noel has played well recently, his minutes have greatly increased. He is given a large part of the credit for winning 4 of the last 6 games, a rare event in recent Philly history.

Philly my not want to trade him now, and if they do, his value is going up. And so will his next contract.

My guess is, some GM will step up and offer Noel a max or near max contract.

And this is why - based on what folks here have said - I'm at least somewhat interested in Nurkic. He also seems to be more of an Olshey-type acquisition.