McCollum for Saric, would you do it?

[BrianFromWA]

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[Natebishop3]

Again, so you wanted Boogie for CJ?

I would have done that deal in a heartbeat, if it had been presented to me. I had people call me crazy for proposing it a year ago, and not because they wouldn't do the deal, but because they thought Sac would say no. Now, with Nurkic, I'm not sure I would do it. Plus, he's bombing in NO. But I still would have done it at the beginning of the season.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would still trade CJ for Jimmy Butler. Actually, Paul George would be fantastic.... but it's pretty widely known that he wants to go to LA after next season.

 

[Strenuus]

I would still trade CJ for Jimmy Butler. Actually, Paul George would be fantastic.... but it's pretty widely known that he wants to go to LA after next season.

For either of these two its a yes.

For saric? Not a chance.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Color me in the "if I'm giving up CJ, it's for an awesome guy on a rookie contract, not a guy who's going to be paid MORE than CJ and who will likely leave in a year or two"

I still say no to this trade, but if PA makes me trade him and it's for either Paul George or Saric +, I'm going Saric +.

 

[B-Roy]

Saric is actually legit. I'm pretty confident Philly would say no to the swap, and that's not a slight on CJ.

 

[Natebishop3]

Color me in the "if I'm giving up CJ, it's for an awesome guy on a rookie contract, not a guy who's going to be paid MORE than CJ and who will likely leave in a year or two"

I still say no to this trade, but if PA makes me trade him and it's for either Paul George or Saric +, I'm going Saric +.

If Boston offered Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and the Nets pick for CJ, would you do it?

 

[Mediocre Man]

If Boston offered Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and the Nets pick for CJ, would you do it?

I would in like 2 seconds. Long enough not to seem overly excited.

 

[B-Roy]

If Boston offered Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and the Nets pick for CJ, would you do it?

Why the hell would they do that? They wouldn't even trade the Nets pick by itself.

 

[H.C.]

Tip for the OP on how to not get laughed at, or thought of as a troll.
Just because you can do a trade in nba 2k17, doesn't mean it should happen in real life.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why the hell would they do that? They wouldn't even trade the Nets pick by itself.

Isn't that essentially what they were offering for George or Butler?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why the hell would they do that? They wouldn't even trade the Nets pick by itself.

Supposedly they were willing to give that package for Paul George (who is, admittedly, a better player than CJ), and it was the Pacers' insistence on Jae Crowder that killed the deal.

I agree--we do that deal in a heartbeat.

 

[B-Roy]

Isn't that essentially what they were offering for George or Butler?

How does CJ = George?

 

[GDiama]

If Boston offered Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and the Nets pick for CJ, would you do it?

hahaha no man, I'd like Horford+Crowder too, the offer you mentioned is not enough. Maybe include their 2018 Nets pick too!

I'd even consider the Bradley+Brown for CJ too. That would seriously upgrade our defense without losing that much offensively. Bradley is really efficient too.

 

[Natebishop3]

How does CJ = George?

Well, let's see....... he is just entering a five(?) year deal. George only has one year left on his contract and he's widely rumored to be going to LA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...lect=Paul+George&y2=2017&player_id2=georgpa01

CJ is averaging more points, while being the #2 option on his team, George is clearly the #1 option.

He's younger (George is 26, CJ is 25).

He shoots a MUCH better percentage from the floor (48% to George's 45%)

He has a higher PER.

He has a higher TS%.

About the only thing that George has over him is name recognition.

 

[BBert]

Here's the TEAM ratings, before and after the all star break.

Pre All Star: OFFRTG = 106.5, DEFRTG = 109.0, NETRTG = -2.5, Rank = 23
Post All Star: OFFRTG = 111.4, DEFRTG = 107.6, NETRTG = +3.8, Rank = 6

The defense has gotten better, but the offense has improved even more. With both moving in the right direction, our NETRTG has gone from 23rd in the league (pre all star) to 6th in the league (post all star).

In a more traditional sense, our average point differential has gone from -2.8 ppg to +3.2 ppg. That's a pretty impressive turnaround.

BNM

Thanks. I really appreciate you putting that information together and sharing it.

 

[BBert]

For Crabbe and C.J. (insert obligatory small sample size post all star disclaimer):

C.J. McCollum:
Pre All Star: OFFRTG = 107.9, DEFRTG = 109.3, NETRTG = -1.4
Post All Star: OFFRTG = 110.6, DEFRTG = 107.4, NETRTG = +3.2

Allen Crabbe:
Pre All Star: OFFRTG = 104.1, DEFRTG = 110.3, NETRTG = -6.2
Post All Star: OFFRTG = 110.7, DEFRTG = 109.4, NETRTG = +1.3

You didn't ask, but someone will...

Damian Lillard:
Pre All Star: OFFRTG = 108.4, DEFRTG = 110.7, NETRTG = -2.3
Post All Star: OFFRTG = 113.4, DEFRTG = 107.0, NETRTG = +6.4

And, the biggest turnaround on the team (not surprisingly)...

Noah Vonleh:
Pre All Star: OFFRTG = 96.0, DEFRTG = 105.5, NETRTG = -9.6
Post All Star: OFFRTG = 109.1, DEFRTG = 100.8, NETRTG = +8.3

BNM

Wow

 

[GDiama]

Well, let's see....... he is just entering a five(?) year deal. George only has one year left on his contract and he's widely rumored to be going to LA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=C.J. McCollum&player_id1_select=C.J. McCollum&y1=2017&player_id1=mccolcj01&hint=Paul George&player_id2_select=Paul George&y2=2017&player_id2=georgpa01

CJ is averaging more points, while being the #2 option on his team, George is clearly the #1 option.

He's younger (George is 26, CJ is 25).

He shoots a MUCH better percentage from the floor (48% to George's 45%)

He has a higher PER.

He has a higher TS%.

About the only thing that George has over him is name recognition.

Well of course you didn't include playing defense in this comparison. CJ doesn't really know what this is while PG has a pretty good idea!

 

[BBert]

Well, let's see....... he is just entering a five(?) year deal. George only has one year left on his contract and he's widely rumored to be going to LA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=C.J. McCollum&player_id1_select=C.J. McCollum&y1=2017&player_id1=mccolcj01&hint=Paul George&player_id2_select=Paul George&y2=2017&player_id2=georgpa01

CJ is averaging more points, while being the #2 option on his team, George is clearly the #1 option.

He's younger (George is 26, CJ is 25).

He shoots a MUCH better percentage from the floor (48% to George's 45%)

He has a higher PER.

He has a higher TS%.

About the only thing that George has over him is name recognition.

I've wanted Paul George for a long time (who hasn't?). But considering the LA rumors, I'd flat pass on him at this point.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well of course you didn't include playing defense in this comparison. CJ doesn't really know what this is while PG has a pretty good idea!

The point is, PG isn't having the year that he usually has. In the past he has been a bonafide superstar, but this year he has a slipped a bit. The gap isn't as big as it would have been in the past, and that's without considering the rumors about LA.

 

[GDiama]

Well I still see a pretty big gap although probably it was bigger before.

 

[theprunetang]

Ugh. This became my nickname for years when it came out. I'm betting that you can guess my first name.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

No.

But I'd package all three picks + anyone not named: Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic.