Me vs Olshey with a week to go: my blazers draft list?

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I really like RHJ’s hustle game, but he does not remind me of Cedric Ceballos. RHJ’s game reminds me of Jerome Kersey, who was one of my all time favorite NBA players. Jerome was all hustle, he also had a body build very similar to RHJ’s.

So why am I neutral on RHJ? I do not see him as a good fit in Stott’s system, which you hint at. Stotts will give time to players that have some skill to score, especially from the 3 pt line.

Few fans remember this, however, Kersey was a very poor shooter, and seldom made a 3pt shot. I doubt even Kersey would find much playing time in Stott’s system. The NBA has changed and is trending towards spreading the floor and away from banging in the paint, unless the banger is a 7’ center protecting the rim.

The Blazers need more scoring from the bench, a player such as Anderson is a much better fit than RHJ.
This is all fun guesstimation for all of us. For a more serious draft appraisal I would have to talk to Stotts. I'd ask him something like "if we had Jerome Kersey in his prime, would you play him?"

Without the interview I'm assuming the following: there are 2 sides of the ball, and you could argue that Lillard does not fit our defensive "system", yet he starts. RHJ would fit our defensive system to a T.
 
What teams would want Batum? I like him, but I don't think the kind of team in position to draft Porzingis would want to pay $11M for Batum. If we trade up it will be by giving up someone like Leonard or CJ.

Exactly, it won't happen. So, you don't need to worry!
 
The thing about RHJ is that a three point shot is the easiest thing to learn. Magic Johnson picked one up in an offseason. So did Channing Frye and Jason Kidd, to name just three. It's a lot easier than midrange jump shots - every bozo in pickup games can shoot threes but practically nobody's got a midrange game.
 
Here's my issue with Hunter: I think he's already on our roster. His name is Allen Crabbe.

I thinks Stotts' aversion to playing young players unless he absolutely has to has stunted these guys' development. The Crabbe I watched play in college looks a lot like the scouting reports I read on Hunter. So I don't see how Hunter would be helping our current playing rotation ... if you are drafting him, you might as well trade the pick for a decent journeyman vet.
 
The thing about RHJ is that a three point shot is the easiest thing to learn. Magic Johnson picked one up in an offseason. So did Channing Frye and Jason Kidd, to name just three. It's a lot easier than midrange jump shots - every bozo in pickup games can shoot threes but practically nobody's got a midrange game.

Agreed, and all he needs to do is to hit the corner 3. He had agreed in multiple interviews that his shot needs work. However, I hope that he understands that it needs to be completely overhauled. My kids are proshots nerds ( https://www.youtube.com/user/proshotcoach ). and they agree that his form completely sucks. Even I can see that he's releasing the ball at the wrong time. If he's willing to do it, he could be great.
 
Here's my issue with Hunter: I think he's already on our roster. His name is Allen Crabbe.

I thinks Stotts' aversion to playing young players unless he absolutely has to has stunted these guys' development. The Crabbe I watched play in college looks a lot like the scouting reports I read on Hunter. So I don't see how Hunter would be helping our current playing rotation ... if you are drafting him, you might as well trade the pick for a decent journeyman vet.
Agreed, I've had this same thought. That's why I'm hoping they go SF.
 
I really like RHJ’s hustle game, but he does not remind me of Cedric Ceballos. RHJ’s game reminds me of Jerome Kersey, who was one of my all time favorite NBA players. Jerome was all hustle, he also had a body build very similar to RHJ’s.

So why am I neutral on RHJ? I do not see him as a good fit in Stott’s system, which you hint at. Stotts will give time to players that have some skill to score, especially from the 3 pt line.

Few fans remember this, however, Kersey was a very poor shooter, and seldom made a 3pt shot. I doubt even Kersey would find much playing time in Stott’s system. The NBA has changed and is trending towards spreading the floor and away from banging in the paint, unless the banger is a 7’ center protecting the rim.

The Blazers need more scoring from the bench, a player such as Anderson is a much better fit than RHJ.

I would think twice about drafting players to fit a coach's system. Unless you have Pop. Good players last 7-9 years with a team. Most coaches last......much less.

I understand the reason why we would think that way, but what happens when a coach gets fired, the teams often hires someone with a completely different style. Then we are really screwed. I say grab the best player available if it is obvious. If it is too close to call....... choose by position of need.
 
What's with the Oubre love? He SCREAMS bust to me.
GREAT measurements , decent shooter, he has IMO the most pure potential in the draft only behind Towns, Russell, Mudiay, Porzingis or Upshaw. Also, he and Meyers would be the Lady Killer duo.

I honestly think his floor as a player would be Dorell Wright.
 
He had all of those while he was doing nothing in his one year of college.
Perhaps, but I know he is considered to have the highest upside of the SFs in the draft. In other words, some team in the teens will draft him and hope! I doubt he's there at #23, for better or worse.
 
The thing about RHJ is that a three point shot is the easiest thing to learn. Magic Johnson picked one up in an offseason. So did Channing Frye and Jason Kidd, to name just three. It's a lot easier than midrange jump shots - every bozo in pickup games can shoot threes but practically nobody's got a midrange game.

Give me Kersey/RHJ that is a threat from the 3pt. line, and I would be happier than a midget at a mini-skirt convention.
 
Here's my issue with Hunter: I think he's already on our roster. His name is Allen Crabbe.

I disagree. They might look superficially similar, but Crabbe was never a big assist guy whereas one of Hunter's strengths (according to DX) is passing. But their major difference is in personality. Crabbe is one of the quietest people on a quiet roster and I think his lack of assertiveness has held him back. Hunter, on the other hand, is much more outgoing and strikes me as a much better lockerroom influence.

But hey, we can play both at the same time!






But of course, the major point in Hunter's favor is that he has DREXLER'S NUMBER.
 
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He had all of those while he was doing nothing in his one year of college.
I think it's more of a Kansas thing, their players seem to always underachieve lately.

Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre.... 14-15

Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid, and Wayne Selden Jr.... 13-14

Ben McLemore, Perry Ellis... 12-13
 
I would think twice about drafting players to fit a coach's system. Unless you have Pop. Good players last 7-9 years with a team. Most coaches last......much less.

I understand the reason why we would think that way, but what happens when a coach gets fired, the teams often hires someone with a completely different style. Then we are really screwed. I say grab the best player available if it is obvious. If it is too close to call....... choose by position of need.

I’m playing devils advocate today.

OK, so Olshey drafts the BPA. However, this player does not fit into Stott’s system, so the player does not play meaningful game minutes. This talented player rots on the end of our bench for several seasons, while his trade value declines, all for the hope that the next coach might have a system that fits this player?

How does this approach win more games????

Take a look at how many players change teams and are not as productive, or, are much more productive with a new coach, due to the how well the player fits into the coach's system.

Example, we signed a free agent that had his worst season ever as a Blazer. Reason, this talented player did not fit in with what the coach wanted from him. However, he was the NBA’s 6th man of the year twice, once before and once after being a Blazer. (Jamal Crawford)

It takes more than individual talent to make a team play well together. The coach’s job is to combine player’s skills so they complement each other. Skills that complement each other dramatically increases the effectiveness of the entire team.

In the military, this combining of skills is known as force multiplication. One of the best ways to visualize this is by taking two similar size armies. However, one army uses some of their team to fly fighter-bombers (3 pt. shooter in BB). Which army has the best chance of winning a battle, the one that attacks with fighter bombers, or the one with a few extra soldiers that are good defenders in the trenches?
 
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My dream: RHJ or Portis fall.

Realistic: Anderson or Wright.

My fear: Looney, Oubre, Harrell, Wood, McCullough
 
Darius miles wasn't a bad player. Besides they aren't idiots, they just see $$$$ like every other person would

I get the money argument - but when you compare Looney and Oubre to some of the other one-and-done players in this draft, their lack of development is troubling.
 
I disagree. They might look superficially similar, but Crabbe was never a big assist guy whereas one of Hunter's strengths (according to DX) is passing. But their major difference is in personality. Crabbe is one of the quietest people on a quiet roster and I think his lack of assertiveness has held him back. Hunter, on the other hand, is much more outgoing and strikes me as a much better lockerroom influence.

But hey, we can play both at the same time!






But of course, the major point in Hunter's favor is that he has DREXLER'S NUMBER.

Hunter oozes confidence. Has a lot of Kevin Martin qualities... Small school, lanky, can shoot.
 
Do what you can to trade for this prospect:
Kristaps Porzingis
Mario Hezonja

A lot of options at #23 -- Go for it!

Delon Wright
Willy Hernangomez
Robert Upshaw
Cedi Osman
Kevon Looney

Cooling on these players but still solid options:
Christian Wood - A long-term project. Years away.
RJ Hunter - If CJ didn't breakout the way he did RJ would be higher on my list.
Montrel Harrell: High ceiling with a low floor - Ben Wallace or Cedric Simmons. He's a boom or bust player on this level.


Reach for a potential hidden gem:
Terran Petteway
Jonathan Holmes
Richaun Holmes
Arturas Gudaitis
Anthony Brown
 
Do what you can to trade for this prospect:
Kristaps Porzingis
Mario Hezonja

A lot of options at #23 -- Go for it!

Delon Wright
Willy Hernangomez
Robert Upshaw
Cedi Osman
Kevon Looney

Cooling on these players but still solid options:
Christian Wood - A long-term project. Years away.
RJ Hunter - If CJ didn't breakout the way he did RJ would be higher on my list.
Montrel Harrell: High ceiling with a low floor - Ben Wallace or Cedric Simmons. He's a boom or bust player on this level.


Reach for a potential hidden gem:
Terran Petteway
Jonathan Holmes
Richaun Holmes
Arturas Gudaitis
Anthony Brown
Porzingas is basically Meyers Leonard... why would we trade up for him?
 
I disagree. They might look superficially similar, but Crabbe was never a big assist guy whereas one of Hunter's strengths (according to DX) is passing. But their major difference is in personality. Crabbe is one of the quietest people on a quiet roster and I think his lack of assertiveness has held him back. Hunter, on the other hand, is much more outgoing and strikes me as a much better lockerroom influence.

But hey, we can play both at the same time!

But of course, the major point in Hunter's favor is that he has DREXLER'S NUMBER.
Their differences are unimportant for purposes of the draft - we have a 3-pt shooting 2G. The fact that one has poor shot selection and the other is thin as a rail.

My biases:
Unless we get a 2-guard that is in a tier above other players around our pick, we don't draft a 2G. Hunter is in the same tier as Anderson and others.

Unless we get a really good PG, I'd rather keep Tim Frazier. People on these boards are down on him because he played in the DLeague, yawn. I think we should give him a real shot at supplanting Steve Blake.

I don't think we have a backup 3, though I understand Crabbe the Thin can play there.
 
Their differences are unimportant for purposes of the draft - we have a 3-pt shooting 2G. The fact that one has poor shot selection and the other is thin as a rail.

My biases:
Unless we get a 2-guard that is in a tier above other players around our pick, we don't draft a 2G. Hunter is in the same tier as Anderson and others.

Unless we get a really good PG, I'd rather keep Tim Frazier. People on these boards are down on him because he played in the DLeague, yawn. I think we should give him a real shot at supplanting Steve Blake.

I don't think we have a backup 3, though I understand Crabbe the Thin can play there.
Frazier? Are you convinced were rebuilding next year? Frazier doesn't fit at all next to CJ or Dame and he's too small to defend.
 
Frazier? Are you convinced were rebuilding next year? Frazier doesn't fit at all next to CJ or Dame and he's too small to defend.
I like Frazier a lot, but you make a good point. If AA and Wes leave, it'd be nice to have Delon to go with Lillard/CJ/Crabbe.
 
I don't mind him as a player he's just a horrible fit here even if those guys stay
 
Buy a 2nd for:

1. Richaun Holmes
2. Treveon Graham

Agreed, and I'd add Terran Petteway, Alan Williams and Seth Tuttle as players I'd be happy to see in a Blazers Summer League team.

(But I'd hope the team would draft Cedi Osman before any of those except maybe Holmes.)
 
Agreed, and I'd add Terran Petteway, Alan Williams and Seth Tuttle as players I'd be happy to see in a Blazers Summer League team.

(But I'd hope the team would draft Cedi Osman before any of those except maybe Holmes.)
I'd love Petteway or the Stanford kid.

Osman is going in the first imo, not sure if take him over a Delon Wright
 

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