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Interesting idea but I voted No. Not because I don't think large corporations aren't paying enough but because it's a pyramid tax.

Here is the state's most liberal publication's take on it:

Corporate tax increase


No


We're convinced of a few things. First, state government could use more money. Education, social services and managing Oregon's rapid growth will require substantial new revenue.


Second, there is indeed a basket of corporate deplorables who unfairly avoid paying their fair share of taxes.


And yet Measure 97 is about as ham-fisted a solution as proponents could have devised. That may be because it was designed by pollsters and campaign strategists rather than economists. Crafting policy this way is hardly good governance, though we certainly understand the emotional appeal of demonizing Walmart, Comcast and Wells Fargo, all likely payers of the tax.


If Measure 97 passes, it would be the single largest tax hike in modern Oregon history. It would take the state's current annual budget of $9.5 billion and increase it by nearly a third, raising $3 billion a year.


It would do so by adding a new tax on C corporations—2.5 percent of their Oregon sales over $25 million.


The state estimates that fewer than 1,000 of the 400,000 businesses in Oregon would pay the tax, and many of those companies are headquartered in other states. (Disclosure: WW's revenues are far too small to be affected by 97.)


On its face, Measure 97 is elegantly designed: Somebody else pays it, and many of those somebodies are large, unloved corporations.


But like a fake Rolex, the moving parts underneath the surface are less elegant.


That's the reason why Gov. Kate Brown waffled for two months on whether to support the measure (she eventually did). It's the reason why moderate Democrats like state Sen. Mark Haas (D-Beaverton), who chairs the Senate Finance and Revenue Committee, and Rep. Jeff Reardon (D-East Portland) don't support the measure. And it's the reason why WW—which supported Measures 66 and 67, the 2010 income tax increases, and earlier this year supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary—cannot get behind Measure 97.


There are a host of reasons why the new tax would be bad for Oregon.


Independent analysts say companies will pass a big chunk of the tax on to consumers, so it is, in effect, a sales tax.


And unlike the conventional sales tax that nearly every other state levies, Measure 97 grants no exemptions for food, medicine or other essential goods. That's a double hit for low-income Oregonians. While market forces would keep some companies from jacking up their prices, others—like utilities—would be able to make customers, no matter how needy, swallow all the costs. And they will.


There's also an issue of fairness. Because the initiative affects only C corps, other companies that are structured differently but have more than $25 million in Oregon sales would not pay one dollar more. Finally, Measure 97 penalizes service businesses, such as the state's thriving software industry. (Because of arcane rules about how companies' revenues are accounted for, service companies are taxed more heavily than manufacturing companies.)


Then consider this: Even some supporters privately concede that the state has no plan for how to spend—or save—such an extraordinary increase in state revenues. That gives the special interests that sponsored the measure—public employee unions—and the special interests that opposed it and would be seeking exemptions—the business lobby—a tremendous advantage over lawmakers.


Putting pollsters and political strategists in charge of Oregon's tax policy is a bad idea. It is our hope that the Legislature, which will probably continue under Democratic control, can craft something better. Tax policy shouldn't fit onto a bumper sticker. Oregon can do better than this slice of populist fantasy.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/10/12/wws-november-2016-endorsements-state-measures/
 
I voted no as well as my wife.

1. Pyramid tax
2. Would hurt job growth from shuttering of companies who either can't afford the tax, or move out of Oregon
3. Costs would be passed onto citizens (sales tax) sort of like minimum wage increases
4. The proceeds of this go to the general fund and that can be spent anyway they want. IIRC the originators of this bill are Oregon State employees, I am pretty sure I know why they want it.
 
I voted no. I simple can't understand the logic of taxing a company on other than income.
A company has to pass the tax on, what else can you expect?
The first thing that comes to mind is all the things that are shipped into Oregon by companies that would have to pay this tax and how much more that would raise the cost of living.
While I am pretty healthy for an old dude, I am also only here because of three pills a day. Each would be somewhat more costly due to the tax.
Fuck that.
 
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Of course the other major problem with this measure. Nothing says it will be spent as explained nor will it be more money for the purpose.
More than likely it would be money that replaces currently allocated money from other sources, which in turn is then spent on what ever democrat
whim reaches the top.
 
Of course the other major problem with this measure. Nothing says it will be spent as explained nor will it be more money for the purpose.
More than likely it would be money that replaces currently allocated money from other sources, which in turn is then spent on what ever democrat
whim reaches the top.

How did you vote on the other state measures?
 
Well I mailed it. In general I don't remember them all, but I probably would remember a specific.

Measure 100
Endangered animal protections



Measure 99
Lottery funding for Outdoor School



Measure 98
Career and tech education in high school



Measure 96
Lottery funding for veterans



Measure 95
Public university investments




Measure 94
No mandatory retirement age for judges




Measure 93
Deport all people who use the moniker Barfo








 
Measure 100
Endangered animal protections



Measure 99
Lottery funding for Outdoor School



Measure 98
Career and tech education in high school



Measure 96
Lottery funding for veterans



Measure 95
Public university investments




Measure 94
No mandatory retirement age for judges




Measure 93
Deport all people who use the moniker Barfo







93 is a definite vote yes!
 
Measure 100
Endangered animal protections

>>> Yes

Measure 99
Lottery funding for Outdoor School

>>> No. I don't think I voted for anything to do with lottery funding.



Measure 98
Career and tech education in high school

>>> No, I don't think the State should be making local mandates.

Measure 96
Lottery funding for veterans


>>> No Might be a good idea but what ever they put in now (damn little) would just be replaced with Lottery funds lost somewhere else.

Measure 95
Public university investments

>>> Yes. I don't know enough about this but... it seems logical.


Measure 94
No mandatory retirement age for judges

>>> Yes


Measure 93
Deport all people who use the moniker Barfo

>>> No the daily work over by Denny is some what entertaining.






 
We voteed no on all tax. Sorry hipsters:)
 
I agree...no. I want a sales tax but only if it lowers my property tax substantially and I don't see that happening nor do I trust they'll use the money for what it's meant to be used for
 
I voted yes on 97.

So the same people that convinced us back in the 80's that if we gave them tax breaks they would trickle down to the rest of us (utter bullshit) has convinced us that if we raised their taxes that the tax would trickle down to the rest of us....

Jesus help us....
 
Newsflash IDGAF what you think or say... it's why I have you on ignore. Sigh until you can't breathe...

I'm also fucking SICK of people trying to get me to swallow trickle down economics (this time in reverse).

I'm calling their bluff.

Guess you like trickle down price increases instead?

Where do you think the margin shrink is going to go, from the pyramid tax good sir?

Actually, save your breathe, this shit isn't even passing anyway.
 
Guess you like trickle down price increases instead?

Where do you think the margin shrink is going to go, from the pyramid tax good sir?

Actually, save your breathe, this shit isn't even passing anyway.

It's a damn lie.
 
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It's a damn lie.

This is going to be a really bad and oversimplified example but it's good enough to make my point.

A company at the coast collects sand to sell to different businesses.

They sell sand to a sand and gravel company in the Willamette valley. + 2.5% tax.

Sand and gravel company sells it to a large glass maker. + 2.5% tax.

Glass maker sells raw glass to a bottle maker. + 2.5% tax.

Bottle maker makes bottles and sells them to a large wine distributor. +25% tax

Wine distributor sells the bottles to a winery. +2.5% tax

Winery sells bottled wine to store chain. +2.5% tax

Store chain sells to customer. We get stuck paying a tax on a tax that's on a tax that's on another tax.
 
This is going to be a really bad and oversimplified example but it's good enough to make my point.

A company at the coast collects sand to sell to different businesses.

They sell sand to a sand and gravel company in the Willamette valley. + 2.5% tax.

Sand and gravel company sells it to a large glass maker. + 2.5% tax.

Glass maker sells raw glass to a bottle maker. + 2.5% tax.

Bottle maker makes bottles and sells them to a large wine distributor. +25% tax

Wine distributor sells the bottles to a winery. +2.5% tax

Winery sells bottled wine to store chain. +2.5% tax

Store chain sells to customer. We get stuck paying a tax on a tax that's on a tax that's on another tax.
All your examples would have to be C corporations with more than 25 million in sales.
 
I voted yes for many of the same reasons as DViss. It's time to make a stand. Sure, these (mostly out of state) companies are going to pass the costs onto the consumer (like they do every single time their costs go up for whatever reason). But in this instance those increases are going to be passed onto customers nationwide, not just Oregon. That means the effects will be highly diluted. Too many people are drinking the corporate Koolade. C'mon sheeple.....I agree that it's not the best written measure, but these corporations are already (and have been for a long time) dodging paying their fair share and we (John and Mary Taxpayer) keep getting stuck with their tab. Enough is enough.
 
Badly written never stopped initiatives from passing before...

barfo
 
This is going to be a really bad and oversimplified example but it's good enough to make my point.

A company at the coast collects sand to sell to different businesses.

They sell sand to a sand and gravel company in the Willamette valley. + 2.5% tax.

Sand and gravel company sells it to a large glass maker. + 2.5% tax.

Glass maker sells raw glass to a bottle maker. + 2.5% tax.

Bottle maker makes bottles and sells them to a large wine distributor. +25% tax

Wine distributor sells the bottles to a winery. +2.5% tax

Winery sells bottled wine to store chain. +2.5% tax

Store chain sells to customer. We get stuck paying a tax on a tax that's on a tax that's on another tax.

I simply won't believe what the corporations want me to swallow. Monsanto and Comcast are paying for those ads.

They can't have it both ways.

Lower our taxes and you'll see benefit. Raise our taxes and we'll charge you.

Neither has been proven true.
 

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