Meeting between Dame and Cronin today

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Strenuus said:
I'd be shocked. There's no way it happens that fast. Trade deadline? Sure it may happen. Next week, not a chance.
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I'd tend to think Lillard and the Blazers either want to commit to all of next year or try to move on and each go to the next chapter. Dame and the team might both want to see what happens in free agency/trades for the next two weeks. But then I think the make a decision for all of next year. If Dame is going to change teams next season he'd rather have the summer to buy a house there and move kids, etc and not have this drag out.

Not saying it can't happen at the deadline, I just think all parties would like to either be happy and plan for him to stay at least a year or turn the page and move on. All of this uncertainty is stressful enough just for us fans - has to be 10x stressful for Dame and the team.
 
Mr. Robot said:
sean highkin thinks hes smarter than he is

motherfucker really believes having dame lillard is better than embracing the full rebuild while you have two potential all-stars on the roster + opportunity to add more talent with high picks
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We have two “potential all stars” on our roster?
 
Natebishop3 said:
The second scenario concerns me because I'm going to be annoyed if we dump some assets to try to make Dame happy and then at the end of the summer he decides, "nah I'm out."
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Dame would be that mercenary considering his 11 years of loyalty to Portland

besides that, I don't think there will be a lot of vagueness i the discussion today. I think Cronin will tell Dame what's he's trying to do, with what assets, and hos successful he thinks he'll be. Dame will go (or not go) from there
 
wizenheimer said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think Dame would be that mercenary considering his 11 years of loyalty to Portland

besides that, I don't think there will be a lot of vagueness i the discussion today. I think Cronin will tell Dame what's he's trying to do, with what assets, and hos successful he thinks he'll be. Dame will start from there
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I hope that's the case.
 
I guess I still don't know what Joe was supposed to do. Would Zach Lavine make Dame feel better? DDR?? Who else was an easy get? Bridges is not going anywhere. No evidence Zion was really on the block and would that make Dame happy? PG?? Would that do the trick? He has to be smart enough to realize there were no moves to bring a healthy mid-career all-star to POR. If that's the case then he should walk. I do think he is responsible for some of the mess. Why not demand, much as he is demanding now, CJ to be traded? Why not demand Ant or Nurk be dealt? Why the obsession with getting Grant, his friend, on the team? Did that really help? He has a role in this debacle too. Not blaming him but he has a part.
 
IF (and this is an IF) the best options were:

1.) Siakam without a guarantee of an extension.
2.) PG without a guarantee of an extenstion.
3.) KAT

For #3 and Simons, let's assume either one of these trades placate Dame.

Would you have done it? Head says no but heart says yes. I think FO chose with their head and will live with the consequences. Curious what everyone else thinks.
 
Cugel said:
I guess I still don't know what Joe was supposed to do. Would Zach Lavine make Dame feel better? DDR?? Who else was an easy get? Bridges is not going anywhere. No evidence Zion was really on the block and would that make Dame happy? PG?? Would that do the trick? He has to be smart enough to realize there were no moves to bring a healthy mid-career all-star to POR. If that's the case then he should walk. I do think he is responsible for some of the mess. Why not demand, much as he is demanding now, CJ to be traded? Why not demand Ant or Nurk be dealt? Why the obsession with getting Grant, his friend, on the team? Did that really help? He has a role in this debacle too. Not blaming him but he has a part.
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And does he take any responsibility for hurting our leverage on any negotiations we engaged with on the third pick?
 
illmatic99 said:
Agreed. I've grown weary of hearing his constant waffling. Pick a lane. I don't think he realizes how much he's shitting on his Portland fans these past few summers.
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Luckily, Dame is not in the same contract situation as Benedict Aldridge.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The second scenario concerns me because I'm going to be annoyed if we dump some assets to try to make Dame happy and then at the end of the summer he decides, "nah I'm out."
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I can see this too. Dame knew what he was getting into when he signed a supermax last year. We can't constantly keep having this discussion of his commitment to the team every summer. He's not a free agent so I don't see the need to continually make recruiting pitches while he has his mouthpiece Haynes threatening trade demands on his behalf.
 
I hope dame has the balls to ask out. It's best for both sides if he moves on and we go into rebuild mode. The fans won't hate you if you ask out dame. I want to see you in the finals even if it's on the heat.
 
Honestly if I was Joe I would want a commitment from Dame. I would want Dame to either tell me to trade him right now or that he's at least here until next off season. I kind of think Joe will be relieved if Dame demands a trade. He can knock that trade out pretty quickly and focus on the rebuild he has already been doing while saying he's not since he got the job.
 
Driew said:
I hope dame has the balls to ask out. It's best for both sides if he moves on and we go into rebuild mode. The fans won't hate you if you ask out dame. I want to see you in the finals even if it's on the heat.
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I don't want the team to take the shitty package the Heat can give. They need to move him to the Nets or someplace that I'm not thinking of but the Heat don't have what it should take to get Dame.
 
When did fans start to think Dame would do something selfish that would hurt the Blazers cause in the end even if he asks out he does not want to go really but he will feel forced out by Jody Allen and lack of support he has gotten on the court. If you really believe this then as far as I am concerned you were never a Blazer or a Dame fan and you can pound sand. I hate having to be this much of a A-hole but when I see certain fans give Dame no respect after all he is done it really pisses me off and if you do not like my attitude well tough stop acting like a fool and the tamer version of me will return til then you get what you deserve the pissed off , man on fire version of me -- Enjoy
 
Cugel said:
I guess I still don't know what Joe was supposed to do. Would Zach Lavine make Dame feel better? DDR?? Who else was an easy get? Bridges is not going anywhere. No evidence Zion was really on the block and would that make Dame happy? PG?? Would that do the trick? He has to be smart enough to realize there were no moves to bring a healthy mid-career all-star to POR. If that's the case then he should walk. I do think he is responsible for some of the mess. Why not demand, much as he is demanding now, CJ to be traded? Why not demand Ant or Nurk be dealt? Why the obsession with getting Grant, his friend, on the team? Did that really help? He has a role in this debacle too. Not blaming him but he has a part.
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My guess is Joe and Dame have discussed trading the pick for a veteran such as Jaylen Brown or Mikal Bridges - maybe even Zion.

They both were hopeful that would be the direction of the team. The #3 pick is worth a ton and might have been able to acquire that level of player in other seasons, it just wasn't available this year.

So now they are having to discuss the direction of the team. Maybe Cronin has to "sell" the vision of what next season will be like to Dame and then they'll both agree to that. Or maybe Dame already wants out. Or maybe he will need time to decide. Its really hard to know. I just suspect Dame and Joe had thought they'd be able to acquire better veteran help in trades and that hasn't happened. Dame seems very logical in these type of things, so I don't think he'll necessarily feel Joe did anything wrong.

But Dame might not be sure if this is a situation he wants to stay in as this was not the plan they have been discussing in recent weeks and months.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Where did I say in any of those weeks of posts that he would definitely demand a trade?
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that's not what I said you said...I never said what you said I said; at least I never said it in the lastest things I said in this thread

what I thought I said was that you had said for weeks that "Dame was clear in what he said"

does what I just said make it clear I never said you said "Dame would definitely be traded", but instead I said what you said was about what Dame said?

fun times
 
blazerkor said:
Honestly if I was Joe I would want a commitment from Dame. I would want Dame to either tell me to trade him right now or that he's at least here until next off season. I kind of think Joe will be relieved if Dame demands a trade. He can knock that trade out pretty quickly and focus on the rebuild he has already been doing while saying he's not since he got the job.
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Joe doesn't have the balls to make that kind of ultimatum.
 
illmatic99 said:
Agreed. I've grown weary of hearing his constant waffling. Pick a lane. I don't think he realizes how much he's shitting on his Portland fans these past few summers.
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Maybe his waffling is because Cronin tells him they will do one thing and then they don't do that.

Even if you agree with Cronin's moves, he flat-out said, "We have to go all in this year, the time is now".

His actions, thus far, even if you agree with them, are far from "going all in".

I'm not interested in the Cronin lied to Dame narrative, as it's possible that was his intent. But don't let your mouth write checks that your ass can't cash.

It certainly seems that is why Dame is waffling because he is constantly told we will do one thing, then told we can't because (insert excuse here) so wait until (the deadline, the draft, free agency) where nothing gets done and excuses are made again ... rinse and repeat.

Can't blame the guy for changing his stance.

"Fool me one time, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't put the blame on you. Fool me three times, fuck the peace sign. Load the chopper, let it rain on you." -
 
B-Roy said:
IF (and this is an IF) the best options were:

1.) Siakam without a guarantee of an extension.
2.) PG without a guarantee of an extenstion.
3.) KAT

For #3 and Simons, let's assume either one of these trades placate Dame.

Would you have done it? Head says no but heart says yes. I think FO chose with their head and will live with the consequences. Curious what everyone else thinks.
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No No No

I'm not trading 3 for any of those guys; I'm not even considering it.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's not what I said you said...I never said what you said I said; at least I never said it in the lastest things I said in this thread

what I thought I said was that you had said for weeks that "Dame was clear in what he said"

does what I just said make it clear I never said you said "Dame would definitely be traded", but instead I said what you said was about what Dame said?

fun times
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I think if Dame goes back on not having an "appetite" to play with another 19 year old rookie, I would sincerely hope that he would come out and say that Scoot is different. He has openly talked about how Sharpe is not your average 19 year old. I would hope that we would get some kind of public conversation about how he feels about adding another rookie...technically three of them.... to our team. Clear the air. If he's cool with it, say so. Otherwise people are going to continue to speculate that he's pissed that we drafted his replacement.
 
It's comical watching folks try to impose their will/opinion of what they want to happen. Then paint it up as neutral.

I hope he stays, I hope he and the organization come to an agreement together on how that works.

Stop sugar coating your desire to dump Dame and rebuild as 'What's best for Dame is to go to a contender".

Jesus. And folks talk about Dame being misleading. Not talking about any one individual here. It's a ton and in general. Some may not even realize they are doing it
 
Predator said:
Maybe his waffling is because Cronin tells him they will do one thing and then they don't do that.

Even if you agree with Cronin's moves, he flat-out said, "We have to go all in this year, the time is now".

His actions, thus far, even if you agree with them, are far from "going all in".

I'm not interested in the Cronin lied to Dame narrative, as it's possible that was his intent. But don't let your mouth write checks that your ass can't cash.

It certainly seems that is why Dame is waffling because he is constantly told we will do one thing, then told we can't because (insert excuse here) so wait until (the deadline, the draft, free agency) where nothing gets done and excuses are made again ... rinse and repeat.

Can't blame the guy for changing his stance.

"Fool me one time, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't put the blame on you. Fool me three times, fuck the peace sign. Load the chopper, let it rain on you." -
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Cronin flat out said he told Dame of the strong likelihood of using the pick. I have no real issue with this. If the right deal didn't manifest, then this was the right thing to do at the draft.

But we have a bunch of assets outside of 3 that we have to use. Not sure Joe can or will use them.
 
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