Meeting between Dame and Cronin today

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Person vendetta, though, which is what Quick has, makes it come off as bitter. May technically still be right, of course. But bitter.
What evidence is there that Quick has a vendetta against Lillard? I read that column from him this morning and while it seemed harsh, harshness seems justified given the lack of on-court results and the surfeit of off-court discussions in the media.

Or do you mean he has a vendetta against Cronin? Or both?

Now Marang is 5000x worse. lol. Hes just a fucking joke without a fucking clue.
I have no idea who Marang is, honestly. I mean, I've seen him mentioned here but I don't think I've ever intentionally read anything he's written or listened to his show (maybe because no one here seems to respect his wor).
 
I'm sure in two weeks he'll let s know it was joking.
Do you ever talk about the Blazers, or just about people on this forum that talk about the Blazers?

Edit: looks like 7 of your last 8 posts have been about posters. Pretty impressive noise to signal ratio there, champ!
 
Oh lord. And with Marangs fake laugh on top of it.

Marang reminds me of the dude at the bar that never feels like he's being heard by the ENTIRE bar, so he just keeps trying to be louder and louder, with less and less substance until the crowd either leaves or tells him to shut the fuck up.
His biggest trend is when asking players or coaches question post events or games he frames questions with...Do you think everything I'm about to say about your game would be correct? In other words, he just doesn't really ask them questions, he asks for their agreement.
 
Again, how do you know he did not interview? And even if he did not, as I said, who cares, it's not like they did not know what he is good or not good at. He has worked at the team in basketball operations for over 15 years when they made this decision.
Pritchard was hired to Portland in 2004 as director of player personnel, worked as an interim coach before being promoted to GM. He had no cap management experience with the team, likely was not a big part of the trade deadline or drafts. Of course they had to interview him in 2006.

I would say that ever if they did not interview Cronin (which we do not know for sure) - they had a much better knowledge of him as a potential GM. He started as directory of player personnel in 2014, was promoted to assistant GM, he was hired as an interim GM - and later promoted to permanent GM (so, basically, they know him for over a decade, many years as cap guru and assistant GM and later had him evaluated as an interim GM on the fly.

Frankly, I still do not see the issue. Organizations that are never going to promote from within have a very bad business culture. There is nothing wrong with that, especially given how long he worked for the Blazers.

Welp, my personal belief is that there should always be an interview process for any job. It brings in new perspectives and you can ask other people in the market how they would approach your specific challenges and goals. I don't like the idea of just handing a job out without bringing in other people to at least hear their thoughts. I have been a part of interview panels and the internal candidate thought they were guaranteed the spot, but their interview sucked and someone else came in and wowed us and they were a great addition. Maybe Joe is the perfect candidate, but he should be able to do an interview and kill it because he knows the club and he should know the challenges inside and out.

Also.... not to sound woke, but we should have at least given the opportunity to some minority candidates to interview for the job (if they didn't.)
 
Welp, my personal belief is that there should always be an interview process for any job. It brings in new perspectives and you can ask other people in the market how they would approach your specific challenges and goals. I don't like the idea of just handing a job out without bringing in other people to at least hear their thoughts. I have been a part of interview panels and the internal candidate thought they were guaranteed the spot, but their interview sucked and someone else came in and wowed us and they were a great addition. Maybe Joe is the perfect candidate, but he should be able to do an interview and kill it because he knows the club and he should know the challenges inside and out.

Also.... not to sound woke, but we should have at least given the opportunity to some minority candidates to interview for the job (if they didn't.)
Further, it's not like Cronin was coming from a franchise that had a bunch of success as he worked his way up the ladder. Was that his fault? Not necessarily, but keeping continuity from within an organization that hadn't had real success in 20-ish years is weird to me.

Also, as an aside since I know this is not YOUR position, if Cronin were interviewed as part of a batch of candidates, I think that it would have been mentioned by someone, somewhere. And it's Quick's business to know that sort of thing, so I think taking a "We don't know that Cronin didn't have to interview" angle is not a reasonable interpretation of the facts/absence of facts we have.
 
Welp, my personal belief is that there should always be an interview process for any job.

Once again, let's ignore the fact that I do not know (and I assume you do not as well) that they did not interview him internally.

There certainly are cases where an interview is not required. I worked as a lead developer for 3 years at a startup, if these people had to interview me at the end of this time to promote me to chief software architect when the opportunity arose I can assure you they would have to interview someone else because I would have been out of there. I am not saying this is the case with Cronin, but it is absurd to think that you always have to interview someone, especially if there is a complicated system in place that promoting from within can speed transition - which is certainly what happened with Cronin.

In theory, what they did is had a candidate in house that was familiar with a lot of the complicated cap situation, scout information, personnel and goals etc... and they promoted him from within to an interim position. He quickly has shown that he has a different plan than the previous administration (tearing down the roster, setting a course correction) and at this point, he proved to be able and was prompted permanently. Seems super reasonable.

It brings in new perspectives and you can ask other people in the market how they would approach your specific challenges and goals. I don't like the idea of just handing a job out without bringing in other people to at least hear their thoughts. I have been a part of interview panels and the internal candidate thought they were guaranteed the spot, but their interview sucked and someone else came in and wowed us and they were a great addition. Maybe Joe is the perfect candidate, but he should be able to do an interview and kill it because he knows the club and he should know the challenges inside and out.

Also.... not to sound woke, but we should have at least given the opportunity to some minority candidates to interview for the job (if they didn't.)

I am not going to touch the minority / female or whatever else candidates. I am sure it would make sense to ask these questions if they did not have a candidate within they were willing to try. They had - which is a very reasonable thing to do given how well they know him - and they did not just make the change permanent immediately - they gave him the interim position, evaluated what he did and decided that the decision to promote him was right to make it permanent. (From the little I did pay attention to, it seems that Cronin's promotion actually accelerated the minority positions situation within the organization)

Either way, it really has become a question about the Blazers management style, it has nothing to do with Cronin - which seems like a capable guy that actually has a coherent plan.
 
What evidence is there that Quick has a vendetta against Lillard? I read that column from him this morning and while it seemed harsh, harshness seems justified given the lack of on-court results and the surfeit of off-court discussions in the media.

Or do you mean he has a vendetta against Cronin? Or both?


I have no idea who Marang is, honestly. I mean, I've seen him mentioned here but I don't think I've ever intentionally read anything he's written or listened to his show (maybe because no one here seems to respect his wor).
Newsflash, most players didn't like Quick when he was working for the Oregonian, to the point where players wouldn't give him a interview or answer his questions...

He is a sour bitter guy at this point.
 
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I actually appreciate that he isn't emotionally rooting for Dame or for Cronin... he's just trying to give objective analysis on things.

I agree on the first part. Not sure how you concluded on the second part.

To use another writer as an example: Dwight Jaynes isn't rooting for Dame or for Cronin, but his takes are far from objective. Based off Quicks radio interviews, I wouldn't be surprised if he was not a fan of Dame; which is different from being objective and unbiased.
 
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What evidence is there that Quick has a vendetta against Lillard? I read that column from him this morning and while it seemed harsh, harshness seems justified given the lack of on-court results and the surfeit of off-court discussions in the media.

Or do you mean he has a vendetta against Cronin? Or both?


I have no idea who Marang is, honestly. I mean, I've seen him mentioned here but I don't think I've ever intentionally read anything he's written or listened to his show (maybe because no one here seems to respect his wor).

He's literally talked about it multiple times on 1080 the fan. It's actually very well known.
 
So wait, is the YT channel going to be changing or less updates? Sorry I haven't been following the journey closely (But still cheering you and HJ from afar).

Regardless, get the bag bro!
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Once again, let's ignore the fact that I do not know (and I assume you do not as well) that they did not interview him internally.

There certainly are cases where an interview is not required. I worked as a lead developer for 3 years at a startup, if these people had to interview me at the end of this time to promote me to chief software architect when the opportunity arose I can assure you they would have to interview someone else because I would have been out of there. I am not saying this is the case with Cronin, but it is absurd to think that you always have to interview someone, especially if there is a complicated system in place that promoting from within can speed transition - which is certainly what happened with Cronin.

In theory, what they did is had a candidate in house that was familiar with a lot of the complicated cap situation, scout information, personnel and goals etc... and they promoted him from within to an interim position. He quickly has shown that he has a different plan than the previous administration (tearing down the roster, setting a course correction) and at this point, he proved to be able and was prompted permanently. Seems super reasonable.



I am not going to touch the minority / female or whatever else candidates. I am sure it would make sense to ask these questions if they did not have a candidate within they were willing to try. They had - which is a very reasonable thing to do given how well they know him - and they did not just make the change permanent immediately - they gave him the interim position, evaluated what he did and decided that the decision to promote him was right to make it permanent. (From the little I did pay attention to, it seems that Cronin's promotion actually accelerated the minority positions situation within the organization)

Either way, it really has become a question about the Blazers management style, it has nothing to do with Cronin - which seems like a capable guy that actually has a coherent plan.

I think we just disagree on interviews and that's totally fine. I'm not sure if I agree on him being capable or that he has a coherent plan. The list of transactions really seems to tell a different story. I have enlarged the ones that I think are key.
  • December 28, 2021: Signed Reggie Perry to a 10-day contract.
  • March 14, 2022: Signed Drew Eubanks to a 10-day contract.

    March 14, 2022: Signed Kris Dunn to a 10-day contract.
  • April 3, 2022: Signed Drew Eubanks to a 10-day contract, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season.

    April 3, 2022: Signed Kris Dunn to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season.
  • July 6, 2022: Traded Gabriele Procida, a 2025 1st round draft pick ( was later selected), a 2025 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) and a 2026 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Detroit Pistons for Jerami Grant and Ismael Kamagate. Detroit also received a trade exception conditional 2025 1st-rd pick is MIL own 2025 2nd-rd pick is DET own 2026 2nd-rd pick is more favorable

    July 6, 2022: Traded Ismael Kamagate to the Denver Nuggets for a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected). 2023 2nd-rd pick is more favorable

    July 6, 2022: Signed Jusuf Nurkić to a multi-year contract.

    July 6, 2022: Signed Gary Payton II to a multi-year contract.

    July 6, 2022: Signed Anfernee Simons to a multi-year contract.
  • October 20, 2022: Signed John Butler to a two-way contract.
  • November 18, 2022: Signed Ibou Badji to a two-way contract.


  • So we have some trades, some free agents, and some draft picks.

Trades:
Roco/Norm for a bunch of garbage.
CJ/Nance ---- > TPE/pick for Grant
Hart for pick/Reddish/Thybulle
GPII for Knox and 5 second rounders

Free agents
GPII

Draft picks
Sharpe
Walker
Scoot
Murray
Rupert

The good:
  • I like our picks. I actually like all our picks. I think he has done very well in the draft. That's probably my favorite part about what he brings to the table.
  • I like that he's willing to admit a mistake and quickly remedy it. He screwed up when he signed GPII and he got out of it pretty quick. I think that's a refreshing change of pace from what we had with our last GM.
The bad:
  • The trades have not been great. The LAC trade was awful. I think it was his worst moment. The CJ trade was essentially so we could go get Grant. I have quibbled with Tince over this, but I will reserve judgement on this trade until after we see if Grant re-signs. The Hart trade was okay... but we gave up a core rotation guy for a dude that probably won't be on our team next year (Reddish) and a guy who is really good at defense, but little else (Thybulle.) This trade might be salvaged if Murray ends up being good. GPII trade was kinda meh... we got out of a bad move but it's hard to say how much GPII handcuffed us while he was here. He hard capped us and who knows who else we might have signed if we didn't go after Payton.
  • Free agents - GPII was bad. Terrible. It was a horrible fit from the beginning. Nobody liked that signing. I really don't know what he was trying to accomplish with that.

So what would you say is his coherent plan? He's drafting young kids. He's converting our veterans on bloated contracts into young talent (Reddish/Thybulle/Knox/etc). The only win-now moves he has made are GPII and Grant. Payton is already gone and Grant is a free agent. He did bring back Simons and Nurk on big contracts. I just don't see what the plan is. He keeps saying it's to build around Dame, but then he uses all our picks and he seems to refuse to add size to our team. The only coherent plan has been to cut cost and he has succeeded at that. I guess he has also managed to keep Dame around, despite the past two years of drama. I get that he's trying to clean up Olshey's mess, but he's straddling two timelines. I really don't see a plan right now.
 
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I think we just disagree on interviews and that's totally fine. I'm not sure if I agree on him being capable or that he has a coherent plan. The list of transactions really seems to tell a different story. I have enlarged the ones that I think are key.

The good:
  • I like our picks. I actually like all our picks. I think he has done very well in the draft. That's probably my favorite part about what he brings to the table.
  • I like that he's willing to admit a mistake and quickly remedy it. He screwed up when he signed GPII and he got out of it pretty quick. I think that's a refreshing change of pace from what we had with our last GM.
The bad:
  • The trades have not been great. The LAC trade was awful. I think it was his worst moment. The CJ trade was essentially so we could go get Grant. I have quibbled with Tince over this, but I will reserve judgement on this trade until after we see if Grant re-signs. The Hart trade was okay... but we gave up a core rotation guy for a dude that probably won't be on our team next year (Reddish) and a guy who is really good at defense, but little else (Thybulle.) This trade might be salvaged if Murray ends up being good. GPII trade was kinda meh... we got out of a bad move but it's hard to say how much GPII handcuffed us while he was here. He hard capped us and who knows who else we might have signed if we didn't go after Payton.
  • Free agents - GPII was bad. Terrible. It was a horrible fit from the beginning. Nobody liked that signing. I really don't know what he was trying to accomplish with that.

So what would you say is his coherent plan? He's drafting young kids. He's converting our veterans on bloated contracts into young talent (Reddish/Thybulle/Knox/etc). The only win-now moves he has made are GPII and Grant. Payton is already gone and Grant is a free agent. He did bring back Simons and Nurk on big contracts. I just don't see what the plan is. He keeps saying it's to build around Dame, but then he uses all our picks and he seems to refuse to add size to our team. The only coherent plan has been to cut cost and he has succeeded at that. I guess he has also managed to keep Dame around, despite the past two years of drama. I get that he's trying to clean up Olshey's mess, but he's straddling two timelines. I really don't see a plan right now.

The plan was pretty clear to me.

Step 1, remove the imbalance - financially. Let's start with the financial item - this means, no longer have multiple big contracts for small guards. The Blazers basically went from 3 big contracts for Dame, CJ and a somewhat big contract for Norm to currently 2 big contracts (Dame, Ant) with Ant being much younger than CJ and Norm's places basically replaced with Shae which is bigger, cheaper. Now, Scoot was a must draft at the position and situation was, this means that there is still a balance issue, but you can't really blame Cronin for having to select him - it is still a good thing to do because he now is having to choose between basically Ant and Dame is a reasonable option for the fork in the road Portland has to choose from (Improve around Dame or tear it down for a youth movement after a Dame trade). Still a work in progress, but already much better.

Step 2, improve the talent on the roster - clearly done via the draft + trades. Talent wise, Dame + Ant in a major role + Shae + Grant + Scoot waiting in the wings is much better than Dame + CJ + Ant waiting in the wings. Still a work in progress, but clearly much better than before.

Step 3, Add size where it matters - Grant is the best Forward Portland had since LMA left, Shae is much bigger in the back-court than what Portland was dealing with for a while. Lots of work to be done, but it's being addressed slowly.

Step 4, Add defense - Tried with GP2, replaced him with MT, Grant much better than RoCo, Draft potential for the future, clearly work in progress, but better than anything Portland had since the WCF year which NeO immediately tore down because, NeO doing NeO things.

Step 5, Provide better roster for the way coach wants to play. Tried with Justice, Hart, unfortunately, Justice had injuries, Hart was not going to stay, he salvaged it for the future. Still work in progress, the elephant in the room is Nurk. He had to be signed so the Blazers do not lose an asset, but he clearly does not fit. Hopefully, the Blazers can upgrade from him this off-season.

Remember, all of this was done in basically 18 months, that's pretty good imho. I don't care about the individual trades that much - I care about the plan - and say what you want about Cronin, he was very transparent about it, he wanted to balance the roster, bring more talent, upgrade the defense. That's exactly what he is doing.

I honestly hate this trade by trade, signing by signing micro-management analysis - this is a non-exact science, not every move is going to succeed (if it was, Portland would not be able to afford Cronin) and some of them were done for very specific reasons (like creating the TPE that was used for Grant). But, if you look at the stated goals, what the constraints were and how he took advantage of opportunities when they presented themselves or pivoted when things went south, I am impressed with his work.

Now, anyone has the right to criticize every single move - but micro-management is worthless if you do not take stock of what the plan was and how it is proceeding. He told you what the plan is, he is clearly proceeding with it. You can point that there are risks if Grant leaves or if Dame leaves or whatever, but that's going to be true no matter what moves happen. The Clippers had an excellent plan of getting the Finals MVP, getting him another all-NBA forward and rolling forward with tons of money on the roster to get them to the promised land, didn't work. The Nets got the 2 time Champ and Finals MVP and got 2 dominant all-NBA guards with him, didn't work. There is no foolproof way to win a championship. There are reasonable plans of actions that either work or not. We got a GM that has a reasonable plan of action, which we have not had since the WCF year. That's as good as we can reasonably hope for, imho.
 
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