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blue9 said:
So we start both Noel and Okafor! Sounds like a great pairing to me.

Assuming we simply do a Crabbe/Noel swap, what would we have to include of Okafor? Aminu/Davis/Pick? That would leave us with Plumlee/Vonleh to back-up Noel/Okafor. Or if they want Vonleh we'd have Aminu/Plumlee as our back-ups. Seems weird to be sending bigs back to PHI, but aside from Crabbe/Turner/Harkless we don't have anything but bigs to trade, and we need to keep at least two of those wings unless we're getting a rotation wing back.
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PHI isn't going to trade both Noel and Okafor. They want to trade one, or the other, to alleviate a surplus up front. If they trade them both, they'd go from a surplus of young post players to a shortage and the one they'd have left is injury prone.

BNM
 
Sarni said:
IMO they will easily give us Noel for Crabbe, and adding a pick or another asset will get us Okafor (he will be more expensive because of his contract situation). He offers little defense though so we would need to bring in a power forward who does. Noel on the other hand will offer defense but not offense. Horses for courses.
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Crabbe for Noel seems pretty ideal for both teams on the surface but we do have to remember that Crabbe has a trade kicker which makes his contract even bigger. Maybe philly won't mind though, considering no impact FA would sign there willingly anyway.
 
Scalma said:
Crabbe for Noel seems pretty ideal for both teams on the surface but we do have to remember that Crabbe has a trade kicker which makes his contract even bigger. Maybe philly won't mind though, considering no impact FA would sign there willingly anyway.
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They are currently under the salary floor (I think by about $8 million) and about $16.5 million under the cap. A straight Crabbe for Noel swap, even with Crabbe's trade kicker, would put them a couple hundred thousand over the cap. They may want to swap a couple other end of bench guys to stay under the cap for future flexibility.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
Damn dude that's harsh. Maybe that had something to do with being in a conference with the Jordan Bulls? Reggie was drafted in 1987 at 22 years old. Check out who the champions were in that time:

87-88 - Lakers
88-89 - Pistons
89-90 - Pistons
90-91 - Bulls
91-92 - Bulls
92-93 - Bulls

So in five of Reggie's first six seasons, he was in the same conference as the eventual champs, and the one year that the Lakers won it, they beat the Badboy Pistons. The East was a rough conference back then. Reggie went from the Bird Celtics to the Badboys to the Bulls. When exactly was he supposed to win anything?
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They only lost in the first round to one of those dynasties once.

88 and 89 Pacers do not even make the playoffs.
90 Pacers are a seven seed. Do not expect him to beat the Badboys, but playing better in the regular season would have secured a better matchup,
91 Pacers lose to the Celtics. The Larry Bird that was out there for that series was not the HOF Larry Bird. Celtics are bounced in the next round.
92 Pacers swept by the Celtics. No Larry Bird. This is the Reggie Lewis, John Bagley, Kevin Gamble, and the ghosts of Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale. Celtics again bounce next round.
93 Pacers are only good enough for an 8 seed. Lose to Knicks, who also do not make it to the finals.

Again, I take Klay Thompson's resume at equal ages in their careers.
 
Scalma said:
Crabbe for Noel seems pretty ideal for both teams on the surface but we do have to remember that Crabbe has a trade kicker which makes his contract even bigger. Maybe philly won't mind though, considering no impact FA would sign there willingly anyway.
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They would have to give Noel a $15M+ deal anyway to keep him and have a lot of cap space, for the next two years not even a mid-tier player like Crabbe would give them a look.
 
blue9 said:
So we start both Noel and Okafor! Sounds like a great pairing to me.

Assuming we simply do a Crabbe/Noel swap, what would we have to include of Okafor? Aminu/Davis/Pick? That would leave us with Plumlee/Vonleh to back-up Noel/Okafor. Or if they want Vonleh we'd have Aminu/Plumlee as our back-ups. Seems weird to be sending bigs back to PHI, but aside from Crabbe/Turner/Harkless we don't have anything but bigs to trade, and we need to keep at least two of those wings unless we're getting a rotation wing back.
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Sixers tried Noel and Okafor together. Did not work.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
They only lost in the first round to one of those dynasties once.

88 and 89 Pacers do not even make the playoffs.
90 Pacers are a seven seed. Do not expect him to beat the Badboys, but playing better in the regular season would have secured a better matchup,
91 Pacers lose to the Celtics. The Larry Bird that was out there for that series was not the HOF Larry Bird. Celtics are bounced in the next round.
92 Pacers swept by the Celtics. No Larry Bird. This is the Reggie Lewis, John Bagley, Kevin Gamble, and the ghosts of Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale. Celtics again bounce next round.
93 Pacers are only good enough for an 8 seed. Lose to Knicks, who also do not make it to the finals.

Again, I take Klay Thompson's resume at equal ages in their careers.
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So who exactly on those Pacers teams is supposed to be Draymond? Who is Curry? Klay Thompson is okay, but the Blazers legit had a shot at beating them without Curry last year. We were actually on our way to tying up the series until Curry went off in the 4th. Klay Thompson is a good player, but he's a borderline All-Star right now, and he probably won't make the team this year if he keeps this production up.
 
Those Pacer teams were designed to have Reggie score with all of the other players around him supporting. Klay has a better supporting cast, but is putting up similiar numbers. That is totally ignoring the defensive side of the ball, which Klay was worlds better.

Klay is merely OK? The guy was voted #16 overall in the ESPN poll despite having a lower usage rate due to playing with other stars. Reggie only made the All Star team five times so missing it this year is not that big of deal.

Klay also started out cold, but has been hot as of late. 23ppg shooting 12-19 from 3.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Those Pacer teams were designed to have Reggie score with all of the other players around him supporting. Klay has a better supporting cast, but is putting up similiar numbers. That is totally ignoring the defensive side of the ball, which Klay was worlds better.

Klay is merely OK? The guy was voted #16 overall in the ESPN poll despite having a lower usage rate due to playing with other stars. Reggie only made the All Star team five times so missing it this year is not that big of deal.

Klay also started out cold, but has been hot as of late. 23ppg shooting 12-19 from 3.
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Klay only appears to be worlds better because Klay doesn't have to guard Michael Jordan. Or Kobe in his prime. Or Ray Allen in his prime. Or Jerry Stackhouse. Or Penny Hardaway. Or Mitch Richmond. The overall talent at shooting guard right now is extremely weak compared to the late 80's and 90's. There are a shit ton of really talented point guards right now though.
 
I'm ready for the McCollum cousins trade. Improves our perimeter defense with Crabbe in the lineup and cousins gives us easy buckets down low.
 
Crabbe and Noah for Brook Lopez
Gerald Henderson and Nerlens for Evan Turner and a 1st

Lillard
CJ
Moe / Henderson
Nerlens / Meyers
Lopez / Plum
 
Id be okay trading CJ for DMC - we can get the scoring made up with DMC down low AND actually have defense...
 
We could probably get Henson as a salary dump without touching our core. That's still my preferred move.
 
Strenuus said:
Id be okay trading CJ for DMC - we can get the scoring made up with DMC down low AND actually have defense...
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Of course the only way I'd trade McCollum for dmc is if cousins took an extension as part of the deal.

But you can't tell me this isn't a better team than what we have now

Dame
Crabbe
Harkless
Aminu
Cousins

Maybe we cn even expand the deal with us getting mclemore back as well.
 
Scalma said:
Of course the only way I'd trade McCollum for dmc is if cousins took an extension as part of the deal.

But you can't tell me this isn't a better team than what we have now

Dame
Crabbe
Harkless
Aminu
Cousins
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Exactly.

And of course it is. Anything with an actual good Center (Plumlee is trash) would be worlds better.
 
I'm pretty sure that Olshey didn't bring everyone back because he thought this team could contend, but rather because it gives him more assets to eventually move. I'd be surprised if he didn't make a pretty major trade either at the deadline or in the offseason. He's not stupid. He knows we need a center, but I don't blame him for not overpaying to get one (Mozgov, biyombo, etc) after the Whitesides went off the board.
 
Strenuus said:
Id be okay trading CJ for DMC - we can get the scoring made up with DMC down low AND actually have defense...
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How do you figure? Putting DMC on the roster isn't suddenly going to make Terry understand how to implement a defense. And while DMC is better than any defender we currently have, he's still not that great of a defender. Also, does Terry know how to use a low-post player on offense?

Don't get me wrong, I want DMC. But I don't think he's some sort of panacea.
 
DMC? Great. Lopez? OK. Henson? Why not? All right, let's do all of these.

CJ/Meyers to SAC
Plumlee/Vonleh/Davis to BRK
Aminu to MIL
Cousins, Lopez, and Henson to POR.

Dame/Crabbe/Harkless/Cousins/Lopez
Shabazz/Turner/Layman/Henson

Probably doesn't work salary-wise, but whatever.
 
blue9 said:
How do you figure? Putting DMC on the roster isn't suddenly going to make Terry understand how to implement a defense. And while DMC is better than any defender we currently have, he's still not that great of a defender. Also, does Terry know how to use a low-post player on offense?

Don't get me wrong, I want DMC. But I don't think he's some sort of panacea.
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Aldridge?
 
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