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Heavy rumors from everywhere confirming Cousins is available. For us to stand a chance Boston and Denver will have to say no to that, which is quite probable given his reputation. Denver would be a particularly bad fit for him, he would again be frustrated by being on a team that cannot win. Boston just got Horford so might pass on this one too.

If they both decline, we can give them an offer as good as anyone without touching CJ. Obviously CJ for Cousins would be something they would love but we would very much overpay here. Crabbe, Aminu, Plumlee, Leonard, Turner - they can pick out of them all and even get one or two picks if they add Rudy Gay to the discussion. Actually a mega trade where they dump all of Gay, Cousins and McLemore would be fine. Aminu, Plumlee, Crabbe and Davis for them and there we go. They get three players on long term deals and one they can extend in the Summer. Could even give them Turner too.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Just another weapon. That's all it is. None of the three guys that you listed are scorers.
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Yeah. We need some inside scoring to have plan B, as well as interior defense. Cousins is the only available player who can do both reasonably well. Alternatively we could go for Noel plus someone else, but cannot see who that other player would be really. Jabari Parker for a mega package? No because Bucks have no cap space.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Just another weapon. That's all it is. None of the three guys that you listed are scorers.
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I get that but if were going to have McCollum and lillard in the backcourt were going to need someone to protect the paint.
 
Scalma said:
I get that but if were going to have McCollum and lillard in the backcourt were going to need someone to protect the paint.
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On paper that makes sense. And even I alluded to the need for a big SF to go along with those two.

However I am not sure our guards have been the issue. They are staying in front of their men. Last night for example, neither Nelson nor Mudiay were successful attacking the rim. Sac's starting guards did nothing special either.

Not saying we do not need a big to protect the basket and rebound. Ezeli's injury hurts alot. But overall Dame and CJ seem to be decent defenders this year. At least in the paint.
 
Scalma said:
I don't get the love for brook Lopez. He's older than our core and plays at a much slower pace. Rather just let Meyers develop if that's our only option.

Give me Noel, John Hansen, Nurkic instead.
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Wasn't he one of those brothers that sang that annoying MmmBop! song?

I think you meant Jim Henson, the Muppets guy.

BNM
 
Sarni said:
Heavy rumors from everywhere confirming Cousins is available. For us to stand a chance Boston and Denver will have to say no to that, which is quite probable given his reputation. Denver would be a particularly bad fit for him, he would again be frustrated by being on a team that cannot win. Boston just got Horford so might pass on this one too.
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Perhaps with multiple former teammates, former coach and former GM all pining for Evan Turner, we can use that in our favor.

They have lots of assets SAC would covet, want Turner back and may not want/need Boogie. So, maybe a 3 or 4 team deal that moves the troubled Boogie to POR, reunites Turner with the team jilted for more money, and maybe even clear up the front court logjam in PHI and moves the expiring Gay to a playoff team in need of an additional scorer. I'll let Neal, Danny, Vlade and Bryan C. to work out the details.

With all of Turner's ex-Boston pals lamenting longingly for him, I'm starting to feel like we're the rich, asshole character in a John Hughes movie that steals Molly Ringwald from her nerdy, sexually ambiguous best friend who has always loved her, but was afraid to tell her until it was too late.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Wasn't he one of those brothers that sang that annoying MmmBop! song?

I think you meant Jim Henson, the Muppets guy.

BNM
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I thought John Hansen was one of the hockey playing brothers from "Slapshot!" :dunno:
 
Natebishop3 said:
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He is. Klay is an impact player on both ends of the court. More often than not guards the other teams best perimeter player.

Let's not also forget his friendly contract. Dudes not going anywhere.
 
Scalma said:
He is. Klay is an impact player on both ends of the court. More often than not guards the other teams best perimeter player.

Let's not also forget his friendly contract. Dudes not going anywhere.
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A good offensive guard/wing is more valuable than a defensive guard/wing. You can run an offense through one player like Curry or Durant and it'll open up everything for everyone else, while they control that end. On defense, you can't control anything, just do your best to stop the one guy you're gaurding or be in the right position. Therefore he's not the best overall player.

You may disagree, but why do you think the best OBPMs are around 10 while the best DBPM are around 5?
 
BonesJones said:
A good offensive guard/wing is more valuable than a defensive guard/wing. You can run an offense through one player like Curry or Durant and it'll open up everything for everyone else, while they control that end. On defense, you can't control anything, just do your best to stop the one guy you're gaurding or be in the right position. Therefore he's not the best overall player.

You may disagree, but why do you think the best OBPMs are around 10 while the best DBPM are around 5?
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I disagree that you can't run an offense through klay, if that's what you're saying. He's gotten a lot better and beating guys off the dribble, he is dangerous as a cutter, and he gets to the free throw line. Sure, he doesn't create for others as much but his presence opens things up just as much as any other elite scorer in the league imo. He's a better version of Reggie Miller.
 
Scalma said:
I disagree that you can't run an offense through klay, if that's what you're saying. He's gotten a lot better and beating guys off the dribble, he is dangerous as a cutter, and he gets to the free throw line. Sure, he doesn't create for others as much but his presence opens things up just as much as any other elite scorer in the league imo. He's a better version of Reggie Miller.
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Lmao he's no Reggie Miller. He's a better defending J.J. Redick
 
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BonesJones said:
Lmao he's no Reggie Miller. He's a better defending J.J. Redock
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There is nothing Reggie did better than Klay. Active players usually dont get their respect after they're retired though, so this response doesn't surprise me.
 
Scalma said:
There is nothing Reggie did better than Klay. Active players usually dont get their respect after they're retired though, so this response doesn't surprise me.
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This Pacer fan agrees. Reggie's game would have thrived in today's game though.

The Boston/GS trade is complete BS. Durant could walk after one year. They are going to make moves that help them now, not later. Thompson is better than Bradley and it is questionable whether Crowder would get minutes. The pick helps in future years, not now. Brooklyn is also not tanking, making it possibly a late lottery pick.
 
Scalma said:
There is nothing Reggie did better than Klay. Active players usually dont get their respect after they're retired though, so this response doesn't surprise me.
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Reggie was more clutch in playoffs.
 
rotary111 said:
Reggie was THE man on that team. Klay is in the top three on his. Reggie was a cold blooded killer, not sure Klay is yet, or at least on his current team. He has to defer, Reggie never did. I would pick Reggie over Klay in today's game.
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Cold blooded killer that won how many championships?
 
rotary111 said:
Karl Malone?
Stockton?
Barkley?
All cold blooded killers without a ring....IMO.
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I would have gladly have taken Malone, Stockton, or Barkley over Reggie.

If Reggie could have played defense like Klay, this is a different discussion. He was one of the weak links that was covered up by Smits, the Davis brothers, and Derrick McKey. Thompson guards the other teams best player frequently.
 
rotary111 said:
Reggie was THE man on that team. Klay is in the top three on his. Reggie was a cold blooded killer, not sure Klay is yet, or at least on his current team. He has to defer, Reggie never did. I would pick Reggie over Klay in today's game.
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He has to differ because he plays with Steph Curry, while Reggie played with, uh, Rik Smits.

You put Reggie on Golden State and it would be no different.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Klay has played in 64 playoff games at the age of 25 with one championship and two finals appearances. Reggie did not make it out of the first round till he was 28.

Klay has plenty of time for heroics and is worlds better on defense.
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Yeah and look at what Klay did in last seasons playoffs when Currry was out. Averaged nearly 25 a game while shooting 3s at a 42% clip. Kid is a superstar.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Perhaps with multiple former teammates, former coach and former GM all pining for Evan Turner, we can use that in our favor.

They have lots of assets SAC would covet, want Turner back and may not want/need Boogie. So, maybe a 3 or 4 team deal that moves the troubled Boogie to POR, reunites Turner with the team jilted for more money, and maybe even clear up the front court logjam in PHI and moves the expiring Gay to a playoff team in need of an additional scorer. I'll let Neal, Danny, Vlade and Bryan C. to work out the details.

With all of Turner's ex-Boston pals lamenting longingly for him, I'm starting to feel like we're the rich, asshole character in a John Hughes movie that steals Molly Ringwald from her nerdy, sexually ambiguous best friend who has always loved her, but was afraid to tell her until it was too late.

BNM
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I was also thinking that but they would have to offload significant amount of salary to be able to absorb Turner's contract. They won't give us someone like Smart because salaries won't match, not even Crowder (would love him in this team and would have been my first choice but he is on $7M). Maybe someone like Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk and we send back Turner and Plumlee, and both Boston players go to Sacramento. We add a pick, Aminu and Crabbe and Sacramento have to be happy with that.
 
Denny Crane said:
Okafor is getting 19MPG in Philly. He's almost certainly gettable.
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IMO they will easily give us Noel for Crabbe, and adding a pick or another asset will get us Okafor (he will be more expensive because of his contract situation). He offers little defense though so we would need to bring in a power forward who does. Noel on the other hand will offer defense but not offense. Horses for courses.
 
Sarni said:
IMO they will easily give us Noel for Crabbe, and adding a pick or another asset will get us Okafor (he will be more expensive because of his contract situation). He offers little defense though so we would need to bring in a power forward who does. Noel on the other hand will offer defense but not offense. Horses for courses.
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So we start both Noel and Okafor! Sounds like a great pairing to me.

Assuming we simply do a Crabbe/Noel swap, what would we have to include of Okafor? Aminu/Davis/Pick? That would leave us with Plumlee/Vonleh to back-up Noel/Okafor. Or if they want Vonleh we'd have Aminu/Plumlee as our back-ups. Seems weird to be sending bigs back to PHI, but aside from Crabbe/Turner/Harkless we don't have anything but bigs to trade, and we need to keep at least two of those wings unless we're getting a rotation wing back.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Reggie did not make it out of the first round till he was 28.
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Damn dude that's harsh. Maybe that had something to do with being in a conference with the Jordan Bulls? Reggie was drafted in 1987 at 22 years old. Check out who the champions were in that time:

87-88 - Lakers
88-89 - Pistons
89-90 - Pistons
90-91 - Bulls
91-92 - Bulls
92-93 - Bulls

So in five of Reggie's first six seasons, he was in the same conference as the eventual champs, and the one year that the Lakers won it, they beat the Badboy Pistons. The East was a rough conference back then. Reggie went from the Bird Celtics to the Badboys to the Bulls. When exactly was he supposed to win anything?
 
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