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With the draft being the only thing Neil is truly great at,

I disagree with this. Lillard was a great pick, but other than that?
I actually think Olshey's main talent is finding players on the scrap heap that perform above expectations for us. Robin Lopez, Plumlee, Ed Davis... Come to think of it, they all have a worrying tendency to get worse in their second year.

Maybe picking a coach?
 
There is nobody in the west as good as the Bad Boys Pistons or the Jordan Bulls. He seems to be neglecting that information.

Not my problem that you cannot read that the Pacers only lost to one of those Jordan Bulls or Piston teams once before Reggie was 28.
 
None of which would've happened with him as the #1.

Reggie>>>>>>>Jon-B

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And Reggie was better how?
 
Not my problem that you cannot read that the Pacers only lost to one of those Jordan Bulls or Piston teams once before Reggie was 28.

And you can't seem to grasp that the talent level on the Pacers and the talent level of the Warriors aren't even in the same universe. You're talking about a team that just broke the win record that Michael Jordan and the Bulls set 20 years ago.

Klay Thompson is the second fiddle on one of the best teams in the history of the game. Who did Reggie have? Who was his Draymond? Who was his Curry? Reggie was Curry, and Klay was.... who exactly? Mark Jackson? Derrick McKey? Rick Smits? Come on man.... Reggie carried that fucking team. By himself. They won or lost based on what he did. Klay has never had to completely carry the Warriors with zero help.
 
And how does this get us Cousins? If you read my post, I was looking for a possible 3-team trade involving POR, SAC and PHI with McCollum and Cousins the main pieces.

BNM
The rules are the same. You need big salaries in/out for all teams so the PPP is a small enough % of inbound and outbound.

The particular player I used, other than CJ, were to see how much $$$ in/out it takes.

You can trivially add a 3rd team.

You did say it was near impossible to find a deal with Philly's cap space.
 
The rules are the same. You need big salaries in/out for all teams so the PPP is a small enough % of inbound and outbound.

The particular player I used, other than CJ, were to see how much $$$ in/out it takes.

You can trivially add a 3rd team.

You did say it was near impossible to find a deal with Philly's cap space.

You also need a team with significant cap space to absorb the PPP player's incoming salary, which is MUCH higher than his outgoing salary.

No, I said I couldn't find a way to get use Cousins for C.J., even if involving a 3rd team, like PHI with tons of cap space. I still can't. If you can, please post it.

BNM
 
I disagree with this. Lillard was a great pick, but other than that?
I actually think Olshey's main talent is finding players on the scrap heap that perform above expectations for us. Robin Lopez, Plumlee, Ed Davis... Come to think of it, they all have a worrying tendency to get worse in their second year.

Maybe picking a coach?
Well, we'll have to disagree on picking a coach. So I guess, between our two opinions, Neil isn't all that good at anything!
 
You also need a team with significant cap space to absorb the PPP player's incoming salary, which is MUCH higher than his outgoing salary.

No, I said I couldn't find a way to get use Cousins for C.J., even if involving a 3rd team, like PHI with tons of cap space. I still can't. If you can, please post it.

BNM

Boom.

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This is a joke, right? They'd be happy to do that without Embiid (and we might too), but they'd laugh in your face at that.
$20m/$18m are the amounts in and out required to be able to trade CJ due to the PPP of his contract extension.

I used the trade machine to figure out the amounts.

The players simply have salaries that work.

I don't suggest Philly would go for this deal. But they have enough guys at ~$4M to get a $ figure that fits the CBA.

I started with CJ for a $4M player. Not acceptable to the trade machine. It said Philly wasn't sending out more than $9.8M and to cut $15M inbound - even tho CJ is only ~$3m. Added Ilyasova to get over $9.8M. Added the right contract amount to both sides to get it to work.

Now we know the scope of the inbound and outbound, it's easy to figure out which players work.

I wasn't interested in proposing any particular trade.

That said, getting Boogie is like getting LeBron. LOL, yeah right.

But if we did trade CJ for a replacement scorer, we might improve. Our backcourt is small and porous on D. Getting Crabbe or ET at SG gets us bigger and better on D. Huge offensive downgrade though. Adding an Okafor gets us back the scoring. We'd have 4x 3pt shooters on the floor with him. Also some inside / outside game.

Okafor needs to improve on D, no doubt. But you won't have two guards letting their guys past so easy.

Okafor is gettable.
 

Good job! Even if POR and SAC would do that trade, what's in it for PHI? I think you'd have to get Bryan Colangelo REALLY drunk and maybe get some blackmail worthy photos before he'd even return your calls.

BNM
 
Good job! Even if POR and SAC would do that trade, what's in it for PHI? I think you'd have to get Bryan Colangelo REALLY drunk and maybe get some blackmail worthy photos before he'd even return your calls.

BNM

Hey.... don't take this from me..... I made a trade work in the machine!
 
You also need a team with significant cap space to absorb the PPP player's incoming salary, which is MUCH higher than his outgoing salary.

No, I said I couldn't find a way to get use Cousins for C.J., even if involving a 3rd team, like PHI with tons of cap space. I still can't. If you can, please post it.

BNM

NB3 just did.

All thing equal, I don't think Sacto trades Boogie for CJ and Vonleh. Or trades him, period.

Once you get the Philly part figured out, adding a 3rd team is straightforward.
 
At least you proved it's possible, even if it's not probable.

BNM

The problem is that ESPN doesn't let you even try out trades that include players that aren't tradable until December/January, which is really fucking stupid. They could just make a note that the player isn't currently tradable.... but noooooooooooooo.

We could send a couple picks to Philly... or we would have to swap out Aminu/Davis (14.4 million) for someone else.
 
That said, getting Boogie is like getting LeBron. LOL, yeah right.

Getting Boogie is much easier than getting LeBron. LeBron has never, and will never, be on the trading block. Boogie is. SAC REALLY needs to trade him and the longer they wait the less they'll get for him.

I'd like see Neal try to get Boogie without giving up C.J. I think a big 3 of Dame, Cousins and C.J., makes us very competitive.

Given the fact that SAC needs to trade Cousins, or risk losing him for nothing, combined with the on court tantrums and off court feuds with multiple owners, multiple GMs, several coaches and even his teammates in SAC, Cousins will fetch much less on the open market that talent alone would dictate. A lot of teams simpy will not touch him with a 10-foot pole.

So, maybe Neal can put together a package around Crabbe, and couple players on cheap contracts and a couple draft picks (ours a CLE's) and get something done. Crabbe is good enough he'd start for them right now. He's better than Aaron Afflalo and 7 years younger. He's a young piece that can be part if their rebuild, along with those draft picks.

Maybe a pipe dream, but DeMarcus Cousins will be traded and for a lot less than people think.

Okafor needs to improve on D, no doubt. But you won't have two guards letting their guys past so easy.

Okafor is gettable.

If we can't get Cousins. I'd rather get Noel from PHI for Crabbe and keep C.J. PHI is desperate to move one of Okafor or Noel and these days, it's Noel that's out of favor with their front office. They also desperately needs guards and outside shooting. Crabbe would give them that, and he's young enough to fit well with their young core.

Noel would not give us a 3rd scorer, but he'd address our interior defense and rebounding, which are our two biggest weaknesses. And, I'm convinced he's gettable without giving up C.J.

BNM
 
Getting Boogie is much easier than getting LeBron. LeBron has never, and will never, be on the trading block. Boogie is. SAC REALLY needs to trade him and the longer they wait the less they'll get for him.

I'd like see Neal try to get Boogie without giving up C.J. I think a big 3 of Dame, Cousins and C.J., makes us very competitive.

Given the fact that SAC needs to trade Cousins, or risk losing him for nothing, combined with the on court tantrums and off court feuds with multiple owners, multiple GMs, several coaches and even his teammates in SAC, Cousins will fetch much less on the pen market that talent alone would dictate. A lot of teams simpy will not touch him with a 10-foot pole.

So, maybe Neal can put together a package around Crabbe, ad couple players on cheap contracts and a couple draft picks (ours a CLE's) and get something done. Crabbe is good enough he'd start for them right now. He's better than Aaron Afflalo and 7 years younger. He's a young piece that can be part if their rebuild, along with those draft picks.

Maybe a pipe dream, but DeMarcus Cousins will be traded and for a lot less than people think.



If we can't get Cousins. I'd rather get Noel from PHI for Crabbe and keep C.J. PHI is desperate to move one of Okafor or Noel and these days, it's Noel that's out of favor with their front office. They also desperately needs guards and outside shooting. Crabbe would give them that, and he's young enough to fit well with their young core.

Noel would not give us a 3rd scorer, but he'd address our interior defense and rebounding, which are our two biggest weaknesses. And, I'm convinced he's gettable without giving up C.J.

BNM

I really wish the trade machine would let me play around with our full roster of contracts. It's pretty limited right now.

I also wish it would let me include draft picks.
 
I really wish the trade machine would let me play around with our full roster of contracts. It's pretty limited right now.

I also wish it would let me include draft picks.

Yeah, it's pretty weak. I wish they would just let you set the date of the trade. They have all the player trade restrictions in their database. So, just allowing you to enter a date of trade would make it possible to look at trades after 12/15, 1/15 and at the deadline.

BNM
 
Yeah, it's pretty weak. I wish they would just let you set the date of the trade. They have all the player trade restrictions in their database. So, just allowing you to enter a date of trade would make it possible to look at trades after 12/15, 1/15 and at the deadline.

BNM

It makes no sense. We have to wait until the player is actually tradable in order to come up with hypothetical scenarios?
 
It makes no sense. We have to wait until the player is actually tradable in order to come up with hypothetical scenarios?

You might want to put in a request to ESPN to add that feature. Maybe even get jlprk involved. I hear he has some pull with the ESPN admins.

BNM
 
I disagree with this. Lillard was a great pick, but other than that?
I actually think Olshey's main talent is finding players on the scrap heap that perform above expectations for us. Robin Lopez, Plumlee, Ed Davis... Come to think of it, they all have a worrying tendency to get worse in their second year.

Maybe picking a coach?

Umm wasnt CJ a NO pick?

How many draft picks has he had?

Meyers, Dame, CJ and?
 
You might want to put in a request to ESPN to add that feature. Maybe even get jlprk involved. I hear he has some pull with the ESPN admins.

The pimply 16-year-old mod who kept deleting hundreds of my posts is now 26 and might listen to reason. Especially if I find him in a dark alley.



Note: The mods here are great--no comparison to ESPN. Don't worry about me, guys. I love you! Mwah! Mwah!
 
And you can't seem to grasp that the talent level on the Pacers and the talent level of the Warriors aren't even in the same universe. You're talking about a team that just broke the win record that Michael Jordan and the Bulls set 20 years ago.

Klay Thompson is the second fiddle on one of the best teams in the history of the game. Who did Reggie have? Who was his Draymond? Who was his Curry? Reggie was Curry, and Klay was.... who exactly? Mark Jackson? Derrick McKey? Rick Smits? Come on man.... Reggie carried that fucking team. By himself. They won or lost based on what he did. Klay has never had to completely carry the Warriors with zero help.

No, I grasp it just fine. Which is it? First you claim that Reggie's playoff record was lackluster because of the Bulls and Pistons being good. I show where the Pacers only lost in the playoffs once to one of those teams. Reggie could not beat a team of John Bagley and Kevin Gamble? You were proved wrong and are now claiming there was no supporting cast in Indiana while Klay is riding the Warriors coattails.

Again, my take. They are very close to being offensive equals. One could argue it either way. On defense it is not even close.

If you have anything to add to this. please show me how Reggie was clearly better on the offensive end or they are in the same neighborhood defensively.
 
No, I grasp it just fine. Which is it? First you claim that Reggie's playoff record was lackluster because of the Bulls and Pistons being good. I show where the Pacers only lost in the playoffs once to one of those teams. Reggie could not beat a team of John Bagley and Kevin Gamble? You were proved wrong and are now claiming there was no supporting cast in Indiana while Klay is riding the Warriors coattails.

Again, my take. They are very close to being offensive equals. One could argue it either way. On defense it is not even close.

If you have anything to add to this. please show me how Reggie was clearly better on the offensive end or they are in the same neighborhood defensively.

The two go hand in hand. The East was STACKED back then, so the Pacers lack of overall talent contributed to their inability to succeed early on in his career. And I find it funny that you keep using playoff success as a measuring stick, because Reggie was known as stepping it up in the post season.

Here you go though:

Klay vs Reggie first five years in the league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...ct=Klay+Thompson&y2=2016&player_id2=thompkl01

Reggie crushes him in most offensive metrics.

ORTG
Reggie 123
Klay 108

OWS
Reggie 39.8
Klay 17.7

VORP
Reggie 17.0
Klay 8.1

eFG%
Reggie 55.6%
Klay 54%

TS%
Reggie 62.8%
Klay 56.7%

PER
Reggie 18.3
Klay 16.2

FG%
Reggie 50.2%
Klay 45%

They have nearly identical regular season averages over that span, but Reggie averaged 22.8 ppg in the playoffs, while Klay only averaged 19.8.

You're right, Klay is the superior defender, but Reggie pretty much destroyed him in every significant measure of offensive ability.
 

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