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Nikolokolus said:
Assuming we had Deng for sure ... a Collison for Nic swap eh? I admit that's slightly intriguing, but I don't think I could pull the trigger on that deal.
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Wow. Look at Rondo. He wasn't a third of a player Collison was his rookie year and now he's one of the best point guards in the league. Do you want to wait till Collison is an All Star to trade for him? By then, the price will be too steep.
 
KingSpeed said:
No but how about Collison? Collison is Nash except he's Batum's age.
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I wouldn't trade Batum for Collison. I think NO won't trade Collison for a while because they know it could go bad with CP3 and then they would have to trade CP3. If they traded Collison and then traded CP3 they wouldn't have the good cheap PG.
 
Deng when healthy is very very good. But I would not trade Batum unless it was big. CP3 big.

So that means we may be stuck with Roy. Deng, and Batum on the wings. Does that suck? Hell NO it doesn't . I would love it. High BB IQ, excellent length, guys who can shoot and get to the basket. Good D.

Sign me up. I love the enterchangable parts that they are making amongst the bigs and the wings. It would be fun to watch.A nice 8-9 man rotation
 
KingSpeed said:
If we get Deng, I would trade Batum for Collison in a HEARTBEAT. In 37 games as a starter last year, he averaged 19 ppg and 9 apg on 48% shooting from the field, 43% from the three point line, and 85% shooting from the free throw line. And that was as a rookie! He's already world's better than Miller or Blake, our two options last year and hos great shooting complements Roy very well.
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Tend to agree!

And with a trade of Pryz and Bayless for Deng, then Batum for Collison, we can still package Rudy, Miller and a pick for a Granger? Al Jefferson? Monte Ellis?
 
KingSpeed said:
Wow. Look at Rondo. He wasn't a third of a player Collison was his rookie year and now he's one of the best point guards in the league. Do you want to wait till Collison is an All Star to trade for him? By then, the price will be too steep.
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Don't get me wrong. I really like Collison and I think he could fit in really well, but there's just something about his slight frame and defense that doesn't wow me. Offensively I think he would be great shooting the ball, but how great would he be playing off the ball with Brandon handling it so often? How would he handle getting posted up by the Deron Williamses and and bigger point guards in the NBA? If he could be gotten using JPEC + Bayless and taking back Posey's bad contract I'd explore that option before I'd trade Nic and take on Deng.
 
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KingSpeed said:
Ding! Ding! Ding!
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Jesus fucking christ.

Clearly this GM thing and making trades is a breeze

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andalusian said:
I can see where you are coming from, but Batum's NBA play is far from potential - and his actual advanced statistics are better than Deng all-around.

Batum's 2nd year PER is better than any of Deng's years PER but 1, Batum's WS/48 score is higher than any of Deng's years and he does it with a much lower usage% than Deng. Deng is far from the worst contract in the NBA as some paint him - but Batum is already a more efficient player than Deng - while being younger and used less.

No disrespect to Deng - but if I had a horse in this race - it would be Batum.
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I agree...I like Batum better than I like Deng. But it's not a one horse race.

The real question is: is Batum plus (Andre Miller or Jerryd Bayless or Armon Johnson) better than Deng plus (Chris Paul or Darren Collison)

I think management agrees that Batum is a better prospect and probably already a better player than Deng, but if Batum can get us a top flight point guard, Deng is a more than adequate replacement.

But I think management also believes that CP3 is a top 5 player in the NBA and if we have a solid replacement in Deng lined up, it's worth it to move Batum to get CP3.
 
I completely agree with KS. I also like how most of you who are saying he is crazy don't state any actual reasons. Collison's stats were GREAT, and I would trade what Batum gives us for those stats from the point guard position in a heartbeat. I also think he is a great defender for his size, and in reality, big point guards don't post up very often..
 
crowTrobot said:
you think N.O. would dump paul for salary reasons and take LMA's contract?
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No, I was just being silly and doing what essentially boils down to my idea of the best, and unrealistic, case for Portland.
 
If anyone for the Blazers is even considering trading away Batum for anything they should have their head examined. We just traded away our best one-on-one defender in Webster. This team will never win a playoff series next year if they trade away their 2nd best one-on-one defender.
 
I can't really find the article, and I must say, I wouldn't have considered it unless they were actual reports, but lets say for a minute it does happen...
We would have to trade Batum, Deng played 39 minutes per last year and we also drafted Babbit, Batum's value is very high around the league. I like the idea of Darren Collisson, but from what I'm seeing on RealGM trade-checker he, unlike Paul, is on a very small contract and we could do a Batum-for-him straight up. Yes, we could add Miller and bring back Posey but I think it's a good trade for New-Orleans even without the added players and for us, it would be foolish to add them, when Miller is clearly the better player - currently - and backup PG (Armon Johnson?) that could be filled by Miller is a weaker position than backup SF (Dante? Babbit?) that would be filled by Posey.

If we made the deals I suggested and stayed put:
Collison, Miller
Roy, Rudy
Deng, Dante, Babitt
LMA, Howard, Camby (I think it's possible Camby could get some minutes at PF and that it's worth trying)
Oden, Camby, Pendergraph

Solid up front, with a short rotation of LMA, Oden, Camby - with Howard, Pendergraph getting some minutes/being used as insurance. The SF position is our weakest but it's MUCH better than if we traded the 4 players for Paul and were left with Posey as starting SF, in the best case scenario. I'm guessing Rudy would be getting some minutes behind Deng, as well. In the back-court, we have the biggest upgrade. Pryzbilla, in all honesty, SHOULD be traded, Batum for Deng is a downgrade - IMO, but Bayless for Colisson could be a bigger upgrade.
 
Am I the only person that is fine with keeping Miller and seeing what the rookies do and if Bayless will continue to develop next year? If we could get Chris Paul that would be awesome and I wouldn't mind losing our best defender for him but to trade him for Collison just seems crazy to me. I guess i'm just not a fan of Collison I watched him play a bit and he likes to pass a lot and seems to have great court vision but overall i'd rather take another year and let Bayless have more time, the guy produces when he is given a steady amount of minutes instead of the spot minutes he was getting last season.
If we don't get a top 5 point guard I dont' see the point in getting rid of Batum even if we can replace him by Deng.
 
BlazerBenner said:
If anyone for the Blazers is even considering trading away Batum for anything they should have their head examined. We just traded away our best one-on-one defender in Webster. This team will never win a playoff series next year if they trade away their 2nd best one-on-one defender.
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Webster best, Batum 2nd best... uhh ok
 
BlazerBenner said:
If anyone for the Blazers is even considering trading away Batum for anything they should have their head examined. We just traded away our best one-on-one defender in Webster. This team will never win a playoff series next year if they trade away their 2nd best one-on-one defender.
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Webster was playing really good defense and did great vs bigger and stronger guys but Batum is hands down the best defender on the team.
 
Cake said:
I agree...I like Batum better than I like Deng. But it's not a one horse race.

The real question is: is Batum plus (Andre Miller or Jerryd Bayless or Armon Johnson) better than Deng plus (Chris Paul or Darren Collison)

I think management agrees that Batum is a better prospect and probably already a better player than Deng, but if Batum can get us a top flight point guard, Deng is a more than adequate replacement.

But I think management also believes that CP3 is a top 5 player in the NBA and if we have a solid replacement in Deng lined up, it's worth it to move Batum to get CP3.
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This. I love Batum as much as anyone, but if the question is Batum/Miller v Deng/Collison, I think I would rather have the latter.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
This. I love Batum as much as anyone, but if the question is Batum/Miller v Deng/Collison, I think I would rather have the latter.
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I would rather have Batum/Miller then Deng/Collison but I would rather have Batum/Collison.
 
How about giving Patty Mills some decent burn and see what he can do? Before giving up one of the best perimeter defenders in the league at age 22. Not saying Batum is untouchable, I would just need a bigger upgrade to make him part of a deal.
 
Nhawz said:
How about giving Patty Mills some decent burn and see what he can do? Before giving up one of the best perimeter defenders in the league at age 22. Not saying Batum is untouchable, I would just need a bigger upgrade to make him part of a deal.
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How about not? Patty is just as one dimensional as Bayless and just as ball dominant (at least at St. Marys), but instead of driving with his head down, he likes to take a lot of 3 pointers and jump shots and he's undersized for the position at 5'11" with average wingspan -- basically a less talented version of Damon and the last thing I want to see is Damon 2.0 as the starting point guard for this team (I don't think Bayless is a great option either, so this isn't about me pimping one guy and degrading another).
 
I think now with Wade and Bosh going to Miami we can forget about the Deng trade. Thank God!
 
Tortimer said:
I think now with Wade and Bosh going to Miami we can forget about the Deng trade. Thank God!
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You've gotta wonder how Chicago tries to fill out their roster after they dumped all of that salary and basically gutted their team. I could see them still trying to do this deal if they thought that Pryzbilla was going to come back and be able to contribute (and no, I still don't see this deal making much sense for the Blazers).
 
Nikolokolus said:
You've gotta wonder how Chicago tries to fill out their roster after they dumped all of that salary and basically gutted their team. I could see them still trying to do this deal if they thought that Pryzbilla was going to come back and be able to contribute (and no, I still don't see this deal making much sense for the Blazers).
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From the rumor the only reason they would do this trade is to save enough cap space to sign 2 max players. I really doubt they would do the trade and will need Deng to start at SF. Really I don't think this trade was ever real but we will never know now.
 
Harris and rights to Favors for Batum and Miller.

Harris / ?
Roy / ?
Deng /Babbit
LMA /Favors
Oden/Camby

Then use the rooks, rudy, MLE, dante and pendergraph to trade or fill in the remaining holes.
 
GOD said:
Harris and rights to Favors for Batum and Miller.

Harris / ?
Roy / ?
Deng /Babbit
LMA /Favors
Oden/Camby

Then use the rooks, rudy, MLE, dante and pendergraph to trade or fill in the remaining holes.
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That's a bad deal for New Jersey.
 
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