Merged: Hinrich to PDX Discussed?

[Reep]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

This makes sense. Though I'd rather get a Gerald Wallace or Caron Butler in the 3-way, this is a deal that clears minutes for Batum and Rudy, and gets us a real, boring old-fashioned starting quality PG. Makes a lot more sense than actually getting Millsap and keeping Joel.

If we did this deal, that would be basically it for the summer. And that would be fine with me.

iWatas

How does it do that? We are adding two players and not getting rid of anyone?

I still think it might be worth throwing at least Outlaw or Blake, or both, into this trade. If we get Thomas, he isn't going to sit well on the end of the bench. He will probably barely be able to sit behind Aldridge and Batum.

If we had Rudy still backing up Roy, and getting less minutes at the 1 because of Hinrich and a developing Bayless; and had Thomas getting minutes behind LMA, and a developing Batum; I'm afraid we are going to be introducing some real chemistry problems here. If you keep Blake and Outlaw it is just that much worse.

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

UTA Sends: Carlos Boozer to CHI
UTA Receives: Jerome James or Tim Thomas (both expiring) + Trade exception (from our salary cap)

POR Sends: Steve Blake to CHI, Travis Outlaw to CHI, Trade exception (from our salary cap) to UTA
POR Receives: Kirk Hinrich, Ty Thomas

CHI Sends: Kirk Hinrich to POR, Ty Thomas to POR, Jerome James or Tim Thomas to UTA
CHI Receives: Carlos Boozer, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw

This sounds reasonable, has someone asked the Chicago website what they think? edit: i just started one:
http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2065784#post2065784

 

[hasoos]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

I wish you would know how to spell "you're" when making a snide remark.

I wish you would put on a Nazi uniform before becoming the grammar Nazi. By the way it's not spelling, it is known as punctuation. Now that has been said, you can see that really being a dick about spelling and punctuation is a waste of time. Folks are just trying to communicate. Who gives a shit if they don't put as much effort into it as an english major. You would probably go nuts if you texted a lot, and blow a fuse.

 

[Wheels]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

I wish you would put on a Nazi uniform before becoming the grammar Nazi. By the way it's not spelling, it is known as punctuation. Now that has been said, you can see that really being a dick about spelling and punctuation is a waste of time. Folks are just trying to communicate. Who gives a shit if they don't put as much effort into it as an english major. You would probably go nuts if you texted a lot, and blow a fuse.

lol not to be an ass.. but the way it was written it WAS spelling. He wrote "Your". Punctuation was missed as well.. carry on.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

I don't like this.

Getting Milsap then moving Joel, Travis, and Steve for an upgrade at the 3 or the 1 is better than getting Hinrich and Thomas and moving Travis and Steve. At least, at first thought it is. I'll to re-evaluate Tyrus. I wasn't that enamored with him before.

Besides we'd be allowing Utah to better themselves.

Let's put the screws to them. Make them pay a crap load for Milsap. Then, and only then, take Boozer and move him for a better package than Hinrich and Thomas.

 

[Wheels]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

I don't like this.

Getting Milsap then moving Joel, Travis, and Steve for an upgrade at the 3 or the 1 is better than getting Hinrich and Thomas and moving Travis and Steve. At least, at first thought it is. I'll to re-evaluate Tyrus. I wasn't that enamored with him before.

Besides we'd be allowing Utah to better themselves.

Let's put the screws to them. Make them pay a crap load for Milsap. Then, and only then, take Boozer and move him for a better package than Hinrich and Thomas.

Aaaaaaand How!

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

...getting Hinrich and Thomas and moving Travis and Steve....

Besides we'd be allowing Utah to better themselves. ...

You wouldn't like to get Hinrich and a backup 4 that isn't very good for Blake and TrOut (who is probably odd man out if he stays)?

How Utah getting better, by picking up two expiring contracts and some trade exception? Now I was never good at Monopoly, but I don't see some sneaky great trade for Utah here.

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

I don't like this.

Getting Milsap then moving Joel, Travis, and Steve for an upgrade at the 3 or the 1 is better than getting Hinrich and Thomas and moving Travis and Steve. At least, at first thought it is. I'll to re-evaluate Tyrus. I wasn't that enamored with him before.

Besides we'd be allowing Utah to better themselves.

Let's put the screws to them. Make them pay a crap load for Milsap. Then, and only then, take Boozer and move him for a better package than Hinrich and Thomas.

Would you consider Deng and Hinrich instead? The numbers would be pretty close if we renounce Kopo/Freeland.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Would you consider Deng and Hinrich instead? The numbers would be pretty close if we renounce Kopo/Freeland.

I'd rather have Battier then Deng. We could use that kind of drive, BBIQ, clutch shooting and veteran Moxie.

My ideal was stated above trade Outlaw, Blake and Joel. Then sign or trade for Millsap, Hinrich and Battier.

We add veterans and toughness/grit to the extreme almost all of our problems are solved. We just need Bayless/Batum/Rudy/Oden to develop and we have the squad we all dream of and can challenge LA and CLE(or wherever LBJ is) for the next decade.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Aaaaaaand How!

Maybe my thinking cap is tied on tight today. Are you asking "and how?"

 

[Wheels]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Maybe my thinking cap is tied on tight today. Are you asking "and how?"

lol no.. like And How from little Rascal's as in "I agree"

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

You wouldn't like to get Hinrich and a backup 4 that isn't very good for Blake and TrOut (who is probably odd man out if he stays)?

I would like to get Hinrich, but not if the cost is aiding a division rival, giving up our cap space, and two quality assets.

Besides if we can get Boozer, our sights should be much higher than Hinrich, IMO.

How Utah getting better, by picking up two expiring contracts and some trade exception? Now I was never good at Monopoly, but I don't see some sneaky great trade for Utah here.

I didn't word that right. They're not getting better. They're getting off better than they would if we didn't help them.

 

[illmatic99]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

But Deng (if healthy) is the superior player to Battier.

My idea would be along the lines of:

Portland gets: Deng, Hinrich ($19.9 mil)
Utah gets: Outlaw, Blake ($7.6mil)
Chicago gets: Boozer, Webster (16.6mil)

Switch Outlaw and Webster's final destinations if needed.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Would you consider Deng and Hinrich instead? The numbers would be pretty close if we renounce Kopo/Freeland.

YES. That's a high-risk/high-reward scenario I would love to get behind if Wallace isn't available.

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

so much for the specific deal:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637

"That team, according to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher, was the Chicago Bulls, who would have sent Tim Thomas to the Mavericks."'
So that exact deal from HOWIE may not fly.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Ty Thomas seems like a cancer waiting to happen. Talk about someone not wanting to be a backup. I really am not sold on this trade. I'd rather just sign Millsap and work from there.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

lol no.. like And How from little Rascal's as in "I agree"

Funny. I never watched the show.

 

[Minstrel]

As I said yesterday, if Portland can essentially facilitate moving Boozer to another team just by use of cap space, I think they should set their sights higher than Hinrich. I like Hinrich, but Boozer is a higher-caliber player and could legitimately bring back a player like Gerald Wallace or be the centerpiece of a deal for a point guard like Devin Harris.

 

[Eastoff]

As I said yesterday, if Portland can essentially facilitate moving Boozer to another team just by use of cap space, I think they should set their sights higher than Hinrich. I like Hinrich, but Boozer is a higher-caliber player and could legitimately bring back a player like Gerald Wallace or be the centerpiece of a deal for a point guard like Devin Harris.

I don't suppose we could do:
Por:
sends Blake , salary cap/cash
receives Harris

NJ:
Sends Harris
receives Boozer Blake

Utah:
Sends Boozer
receives cash/cap space

I tried this in the trade machine, but i couldn't find a way to send cash

 

[illmatic99]

Why would NJ give up Harris for Boozer when they can just wait a year and sign him with their ridiculous amount of capspace in 2010?

 

[Eastoff]

uh, it seems a little confining to move this thread to be only about hinrich.

 

[axs88]

As I said yesterday, if Portland can essentially facilitate moving Boozer to another team just by use of cap space, I think they should set their sights higher than Hinrich. I like Hinrich, but Boozer is a higher-caliber player and could legitimately bring back a player like Gerald Wallace or be the centerpiece of a deal for a point guard like Devin Harris.

I agree but what if Harris is simply not available for Boozer? I could see the Bobcats going for it, but not NJ.

For Hinrich alone I'd probably pass. Hinrich+Thomas would address two needs at once, as would Hinrich+Deng. And I see PG as definitely more of a need than SF.

 

[Minstrel]

uh, it seems a little confining to move this thread to be only about hinrich.

What do you mean? Both threads were about the exact same rumour...a three-way deal with Chicago and Utah that nets Portland Hinrich.

 

[Wheels]

Why would NJ give up Harris for Boozer when they can just wait a year and sign him with their ridiculous amount of capspace in 2010?

plus get a good draft pick in the mean time. I agree there. unless they are trying to shed even more salary for some reason.

 

[Minstrel]

I agree but what if Harris is simply not available for Boozer? I could see the Bobcats going for it, but not NJ.

By centerpiece, I didn't mean Boozer alone. Like, Boozer from Utah and Portland chips in Rudy and Bayless. New Jersey ends up with Boozer and a cheap, young and talented backcourt.

As to another poster's question about why wouldn't Jersey wait and sign Boozer themselves next off-season: this provides New Jersey certainty. History shows that the chances of landing a top-tier free agent on the market are very small. Waiting to try to do it as a free agent signing would mean having a very small chance to get him. This trade would ensure they get him, plus they get two young guards.

For Hinrich alone I'd probably pass. Hinrich+Thomas would address two needs at once, as would Hinrich+Deng. And I see PG as definitely more of a need than SF.

I'd love to get Hinrich and Deng. Big financial risk on Deng, but not much risk in terms of team-building as the team will soon soar way over the cap, Deng or no Deng. And if Deng returns to his past form, it's a big win.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Thomas is more of a 3 than a 4 to me ... I just don't see him being very useful as a backup to Aldridge. We'd be in the same boat we were in with Travis, having to use an undersized forward to back up LaMarcus.

I'd prefer a real banger in there to backup LA.

So would I, but I'd also prefer a starting PG who can guard someone. If we could somehow land Hinrich and still have enough cap space left to sign Brandon Bass, I'd be cool with that.

I'm not a big Thomas fan (don't like stupid players in general), but he does bring energy and defense. He may play the same role as Travis, but he plays a totally different style - that was my point. He's not a Travis Outlaw clone - totally different skill set.

BTW, is there some way we can sacfrice our cap space by sending a TPE to Utah in this proposed UT-POR-CHI trade, get over the cap and then still use our MLE. I know you can't use your cap space to sign someone and then use the MLE (or bi-annual exception). You must renounce your exceptions to use cap space to sign someone. However, supposedly, thanks to the 4-team trade that sent Marion to Dallas, Toronto was able to land Hedo (sign and trade) AND preserve their MLE by sending a trade exception to Orlando. If Pritchard/Penn can figure out something similar, we could end up getting an upgrade at starting PG and still have the full MLE left to use on a back-up 4.

BNM

 

[Sug]

Devin Harris=Kevin Bacon in this forum. No matter what the scenario, he is connected in someway and will be coming to Portland. It is pretty funny.

 

[Minstrel]

Devin Harris=Kevin Bacon in this forum. No matter what the scenario, he is connected in someway and will be coming to Portland. It is pretty funny.

No, not that he IS connected. That he should be connected.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If Tyrus would be OK being a backup and not cause any problems, this move would be great.

Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

Tyrus = Birdman + rebounding - 8 years in age.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Re: Portland/Utah/Chicago three-way trade being discussed?

Your so smart.

One, as someone else pointed out, you're going to have to try harder when making a snide remark.

And, two, it doesn't make me smart; it was simply a matter of typing what someone else told me.