(Merged) Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum questions

[TradeNurkicNow]

Is Nazr's contract (6M per year for the next three years, I believe) really that big of a deal breaker when you're talking about getting a stud like Gerald Wallace? I know ya'll are high on Batum, and so am I, but is he even going to PLAY if we land Wallace?

I mean, I'm actually wondering. IS 6M per too high? Does Batum play?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

Apparently unless Cleveland calls and offers Lebron for Freeland and a second round pick KP thinks it's too much

 

[hasoos]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

That is what I have been saying. It your wettest dreams Batum turns out as good as Wallace. Do the sure thing.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

I'd take on Nazr to be honest, but it's not my money.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

I thought it was an either/or? Either give up Batum OR take Nazr? Was I mistaken?

Yes, keeping Batum is worth 18M to Nazr over 3 years for me.

 

[MIXUM]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

nobody in the world can make a case to keep batum instead of getting wallace.

when we miss the playoffs...look back on today

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

I say no. It is worth it to get a player like Wallace. Do it Pritch!

 

[Tince]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

Apparently unless Cleveland calls and offers Lebron for Freeland and a second round pick KP thinks it's too much

Someone has gone off the deep end...

The world isn't ending if we don't make a trade. There is no proof of what KP turned down, but people are picking a choosing what rumors they want to believe.

 

[alex42083]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

Nazr has two more years after this season at $6-7 mil per. If PA doesn't want to pay him, then can't fault him.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

nobody in the world can make a case to keep batum instead of getting wallace.

when we miss the playoffs...look back on today

What happens if the Blazers trade for Wallace and don't make the playoffs? What then?

I think the Blazers will make the playoffs regardless, but I'm sure that question hasn't ran through your mind.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

We need more information. We don't know if Charlotte wants us to take the Mohamed contract AND give them Batum, or if they just want one or the other. We don't know if they would take our 2009 first round draft pick instead pf Batum. I actually like Batum more than Bayless or Rudy, but I'm guessing so does Larry Brown.

 

[MIXUM]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

listen, if w get wallace...we are top 5

if we dont.... we miss the playoffs.

suns are getting in

 

[hasoos]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

Nazr has two more years after this season at $6-7 mil per. If PA doesn't want to pay him, then can't fault him.

6 to 7 mill a year for a player slot is nothing. Veterans exception is that much for players who have been in the league long enough for most vets.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

listen, if w get wallace...we are top 5

if we dont.... we miss the playoffs.

suns are getting in

I disagree. I think the Blazers still get in w/o a trade.

 

[Ed O]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

I thought it was an either/or? Either give up Batum OR take Nazr? Was I mistaken?

That is what I recall reading, as well.

Yes, keeping Batum is worth 18M to Nazr over 3 years for me.

I agree. Batum's going to be a heck of a player, and he can join Bayless on the "Young Studs Who Get No PT" for a year or two. Nazr can hold down the Ike/Ruffin spot.

Ed O.

 

[Reep]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

We don't know what the real deal is/was.

Batum is one of the only young players who I've seen who:

-likes to play defense (and actually can)
-has a very solid handle
-can drive to hoop and finish (and knows when too, although he could more often)
-can hit the open three
-has no fear of vets

Wallace is better now, Batum could be like Wallace with a better three ball. I just don't think I would want to go up against Batum in a few years.

Also, what would I do with my nice Batum jersey I got for Christmas?

 

[andalusian]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

That is what I have been saying. It your wettest dreams Batum turns out as good as Wallace. Do the sure thing.

How can Wallace be the sure thing when the only thing you are sure of is that he is going to go down with an injury every year?

In 8 years he has played 70 or more games only twice...

 

[Ed O]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

I disagree. I think the Blazers still get in w/o a trade.

I agree. I'd definitely be quite surprised if the Blazers don't make the playoffs even without making another move.

Ed O.

 

[LittleAlex]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

What happens if the Blazers trade for Wallace and don't make the playoffs? What then?

I think the Blazers will make the playoffs regardless, but I'm sure that question hasn't ran through your mind.

At that point you would have to blame the system more then the players. If you can't get a team with B-Roy, Wallace, LA, Rudy, Oden and Joel to the playoffs then you aren't very good. So, you would kick Nate to the curb.

Due to their recent downturn I would have to downgrade Portland's playoff chances from 95% to about 50%. They just haven't looked good at all of late. Maybe they will turn it around no matter what happens today.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

when we miss the playoffs...look back on today

We won't have to because you'll be incessantly reminding us about it with at least four threads a week about it all fucking summer.


Besides, Houston or Utah aren't getting in. We're getting in.

 

[hasoos]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

How can Wallace be the sure thing when the only thing you are sure of is that he is going to go down with an injury every year?

In 8 years he has played 70 or more games only twice...

Wallace has had to try to carry a bad team every year. Much like Brandon is carrying the Blazers right now. Brandon Roy has only played over 70 games 1 out of his 3 first years. Would you turn him down? That's what I thought.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

That is what I recall reading, as well.



I agree. Batum's going to be a heck of a player, and he can join Bayless on the "Young Studs Who Get No PT" for a year or two. Nazr can hold down the Ike/Ruffin spot.

Ed O.

If that's the case and Nazr's contract aint no big deal, KP has to be just surveying and planning for the summer. Otherwise, what's stopping him from having Wallace and Batum?

 

[Ed O]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

How can Wallace be the sure thing when the only thing you are sure of is that he is going to go down with an injury every year?

In 8 years he has played 70 or more games only twice...

He wasn't hurt in Sacramento. He was just a very young player on a pretty good team.

He's averaged 64.75 games per year for Charlotte coming into this year (when he's on pace to increase that average). Roy averaged 65.5 his first two NBA seasons.

Wallace is prone to injury because of his style of play, but he's a tough guy who isn't as injury-prone as he gets (dis)credited for, IMO.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

If that's the case and Nazr's contract aint no big deal, KP has to be just surveying and planning for the summer. Otherwise, what's stopping him from having Wallace and Batum?

It could be mis-reporting.

Ed O.

 

[hasoos]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

He wasn't hurt in Sacramento. He was just a very young player on a pretty good team.

He's averaged 64.75 games per year for Charlotte coming into this year (when he's on pace to increase that average). Roy averaged 65.5 his first two NBA seasons.

Wallace is prone to injury because of his style of play, but he's a tough guy who isn't as injury-prone as he gets (dis)credited for, IMO.

Ed O.

You hit it right on the head. Wallace plays physical ball. That is why he rebounds so high, that is why he defends so well. He attacks the rim, and sacrifices his body. Exactly what the team needs.

 

[Shooter]

Blazers like Batum better than Gerald Wallace?

I find the following very hard to believe . . .

The Blazers, in addition to talking to the Nets about Vince Carter, have also talked to the Bobcats about forward Gerald Wallace. However, the Bobcats want Nicolas Batum out of the deal, and the Blazers are unlikely to include him in any package, the Charlotte Observer reports.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=519477

Am I crazy, or are the Blazers overvaluing Batum just a little?

 

[Tince]

Re: Blazers like Batum better than Gerald Wallace?

I find the following very hard to believe . . .


http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=519477

Am I crazy, or are the Blazers overvaluing Batum just a little?

This is already in another thread. And I didn't read anywhere in the quote that the Blazers think Batum is better than Wallace. They may think RLEC and Batum are worth more than Wallace and Nazr, but we don't know about anything straight up.

 

[andalusian]

Re: The Nazr Mohammed / Nicolas Batum question

Wallace has had to try to carry a bad team every year. Much like Brandon is carrying the Blazers right now. Brandon Roy has only played over 70 games 1 out of his 3 first years. Would you turn him down? That's what I thought.

Brandon played 74 games last year. That's once in the 2 full years he has been in the league. Crash has never played 74 games in a season in the 7 full seasons he was in the league - and will not get to this mark this year as well...

Going over their career - Brandon played in 83% of the games he was under contract during his career, Crash is at 70%

Brandon is not a model of health - but his health (and impact) are much higher than Crash.

Sorry - but the SF of the future of this team looks like Batum. Yes, he is young and inconsistent and effective only 50% of the time - Crash would be great - but since he is only effective for 70% of the time (assuming that he always is good when he plays - which is not really the case - but let's make this assumption) - the upgrade is not as big as you think.

So - you look down the road and ask yourself - when is this team going to contend? This year (no, with or without Crash), next year? (Unlikely), a year after that? (there is a decent chance, I would say).

So - two years down the road - do you think there is a chance that Batum will be effective 70% of the time (given that he is effective 50% of the time now as a rook)? I think there is a great chance he will be effective more than 70% of the time - which makes him a better (much much better) long-term prospect than Crash.

Love to have Crash on this roster. Would be happy to give Webster for him - but not Batum.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

It may be that KP is looking to get a vet more to train Batum than to replace him. What's the point in getting a vet "short-term" SF if you're giving up the person you consider to be the long-range solution at SF?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Nazr is a pretty solid player who I wouldn't mind having him as a third stringer.