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As a prospect Zach Collins only has one drawback - his hands are small.

8.75"/9.25" puts him in guard territory.

His hands are identical size to Nigel Williams-Goss, a 6'1.5" guard.
 
Driew said:
I don't think they'll get that much in return unless he agrees to an extension with that team. No team will give up that much for a one year rental.
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This is where I disagree. There are a lot of stupid teams out there. Look at Orlando last year with Ibaka.

One of those teams will probably put together a better package than Portland. They shouldn't, but they will. And it'll end up being a rental. Then we'll be here a year from now bumping this thread.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
As a prospect Zach Collins only has one drawback - his hands are small.

8.75"/9.25" puts him in guard territory.

His hands are identical size to Nigel Williams-Goss, a 6'1.5" guard.
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I think finishing vs NBA size/length/athleticism, foul + TO rate, frame (if he only can play 5) and sample size could be added to that list. It's why I think he has a shot to fall to us, plus not many teams needing bigs.

But if he develops legit NBA range, can beat switches in the post, guard space/pnr + late-clock switch and translate 60-70% of his rim protection ability, he'll be a plus player on both ends.

To get a guy like that outside of the top 10 would be a steal.
 
Scalma said:
This is where I disagree. There are a lot of stupid teams out there. Look at Orlando last year with Ibaka.

One of those teams will probably put together a better package than Portland. They shouldn't, but they will. And it'll end up being a rental. Then we'll be here a year from now bumping this thread.
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Yeah but when you look at teams that are above us in the draft - and those could be the teams offering those better deals, as Indiana will mostly be interesting in draft picks unless they can get someone like Porzingis or Booker, very few of them have any reason to go after Paul George. I think a team that could put out a competitive package are Phoenix (no. 4 plus one of Chriss and Bender) but that's about it. Unless New York fancy parting with both their pick and Porzingis, Lakers rush into decision and offer their pick plus Randle or Ingram, or Boston have a change of mind and offer Fultz, all of which are highly doubtful, Pacers will be looking at either three mid and late picks from us or not much else.
 
I don't see Zach Collins falling to 15 BTW. If we really want him, we need to arrange a deal with Sacramento to take their #10 for some of our assets. I think #15 and #20 will be enough but maybe they will even take #15 and #26. I doubt they will care much about our players.
 
George aside, I still think Olshey will try to trade all the way up into the top 8.
 
Scalma said:
George aside, I still think Olshey will try to trade all the way up into the top 8.
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I think we will want to pick two players. We will do whatever in our power to move high enough to get Zach Collins - which would require us to be at least #10 and possibly even #9, but we will want to keep at least one of our lower picks or flip some assets for a second rounder because of how deep this draft is.

Having looked at Kings forum, they do entertain idea of trading #10 and #34 for our three picks. This could be something that we might do but we will probably try to keep either #20 or #26.

Good scenario for me is for us to get #10 through trading #15, #26 and one of Davis/Aminu, and then picking Zach Collins there with one of Anunoby or Justin Jackson somehow falling to #20.

If we trade higher it will be for Jonathan Isaac. Nobody in position to draft Jayston Tatum or Josh Jackson will trade that pick and we do not need any of the guards available.
 
BonesJones said:
That's hopefully Plan A and B. Those are the only 2 plans that have a at least a decent chance at landing an all-star player.
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I think picking Collins at #10-12 and then another player at #20 gives us a good chance to get two players who will contribute.

I somehow start feeling that drafting Collins is our goal. He just seems to fit this team so well and has a lot of talent. I also doubt he will go higher than #10 and we can get to #10 or #11 comfortably. Sacramento and Charlotte could use some of our assets. Hornets team is so short in quality that even Aminu or Harkless would be great for them.

I have seen Isaac at #11 in one mock but I don't think it's likely at all.
 
Sarni said:
I have seen Isaac at #11 in one mock but I don't think it's likely at all.
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Any given player dropping significantly isn't likely but, in a draft this good and deep, there's a good chance one or two players will be taken much higher than anyone expects and there will be a corresponding dropping of a player or two.

I wouldn't be at all shocked to see a consensus top-ten player drop to near 15.
 
Sarni said:
I think picking Collins at #10-12 and then another player at #20 gives us a good chance to get two players who will contribute.

I somehow start feeling that drafting Collins is our goal. He just seems to fit this team so well and has a lot of talent. I also doubt he will go higher than #10 and we can get to #10 or #11 comfortably. Sacramento and Charlotte could use some of our assets. Hornets team is so short in quality that even Aminu or Harkless would be great for them.

I have seen Isaac at #11 in one mock but I don't think it's likely at all.
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its funny, so many seem to think "collins" is our guy, I just don't feel that way in the sense we'd try to move up aggressively to get him. If he fell to 15 or we could move up a few spots by giving up a small amount them maybe okay, just my take
 
I think the play is attempt to move up to 6-10 and Issacs is the target. I think the twolves are the best partner, with sac and Orlando being the next best targets.
 
Scalma said:
This is where I disagree. There are a lot of stupid teams out there. Look at Orlando last year with Ibaka.

One of those teams will probably put together a better package than Portland. They shouldn't, but they will. And it'll end up being a rental. Then we'll be here a year from now bumping this thread.
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Ibaka totally different case and was arguably a GM trying to save his job. It's not known Ibaka wants to be a Laker, or on a team competing for championships, and Ibaka wasn't vocal about these issues, nor was Ibaka on a scrub 8th seed team getting waxed yearly. The market for Paul George is probably fairly small, in my opinion. The Knicks nor Suns are on that list. Any assets they can offer, wipe out any reason for him to stay. Boston, Portland, Lakers, Miami are the only teams off the top of my head who would be in the market and Boston might be a stretch with Hayward possibly and Miami probably isn't on that list either. I personally believe the reason so many teams risk it is because the trade market is so limited to they only get horseshit offers.

What kind of offers do you think we would've gotten for Aldridge if we were a 7th/8th seed/missing playoffs, it was known he wanted to leave for San Antonio, unless he could go to a team that was a championship contender with him and had one year to prove it? Probably not a whole lot, if I were to guess.
 
Blazinaway said:
its funny, so many seem to think "collins" is our guy, I just don't feel that way in the sense we'd try to move up aggressively to get him. If he fell to 15 or we could move up a few spots by giving up a small amount them maybe okay, just my take
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I agree. I like him and I would certainly give up certain players to move up, but if we gave up Harkless I would rather move up to draft a SF. Then we could take a PF with #20. Aminu on the other hand I would give to move up for Zach.

I like the idea of drafting Zach because he fills two needs, back up center, and down the road starting PF. I will assume he will get stronger. People knock Leaf for not being strong enough and that is true for now. But both are young and both will need time to mature physically in order to bang with the big boys in the association.

Keep in mind Zach only average 17 minutes per game in college.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree. I like him and I would certainly give up certain players to move up, but if we gave up Harkless I would rather move up to draft a SF. Then we could take a PF with #20. Aminu on the other hand I would give to move up for Zach.

I like the idea of drafting Zach because he fills two needs, back up center, and down the road starting PF. I will assume he will get stronger. People knock Leaf for not being strong enough and that is true for now. But both are young and both will need time to mature physically in order to bang with the big boys in the association.

Keep in mind Zach only average 17 minutes per game in college.
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I really want to take a shot at Bolden, especially at 26 if we think he's there, Leaf may not be a bad fit, I am not against him just really don't have a good feel
 
BonesJones said:
What an idiot.

"Be the team in waiting". AKA, don't take a risk to contend, sit on mediocre players, wait for until C.J. and Dame are near the end of their primes, and hope that the young players we have acquire along the way give us a two-year window of competing.

Most likely scenario from that? We are a 3rd-4th seed level team that cant make the WCF because there's another superteam that formed from free agent acquisitions or something like that.

Dwight wants us to not take a risk to get really good, instead wants us to stay mediocre because GSW will "fade". Guess what Dwight, somebody will replace GSW, and do we then wait longer because it's too risky to try to compete with them? FFS.
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If we arent one piece away, the best strategy is to build and wait.
 
BonesJones said:
I dont think Curry has much of an edge. Curry and Thompson have a very slight edge over Lillard and McCollum. Durant has a slight edge over George. Nurkic is better than Green or anyone else they got. We'd have to get some good veterans via free agency (MLE, BAE) or trade, but I think we could build a better bench than theirs. I think we could compete with them, and beat them in a series in 1 of 3 years (if George stays). That would mean a finals trip. I'd take that.
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Homerism at it's best.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Homerism at it's best.
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You really don't think Curry/Thompson and Lillard/McCollum are close?

Lillard and McCollum per 36 combined stats: 50.3ppg, 9.6apg, 8.6rpg, 46% FG, 40% 3pt,
Curry and Thompson per 36 combined stats: 51.0ppg, 9.3apg, 8.7rpg, 46% FG, 41% 3pt,
That's about as close as you can get offensively. They get the slight edge because Klays a better defender than the other 3.

While Durant is a much better offensive player than George, George is a better defender. Durant has a slight edge accordingly.

Nurkic is better than Green. I won't even get into that.
 
BonesJones said:
You really don't think Curry/Thompson and Lillard/McCollum are close?

Lillard and McCollum per 36 combined stats: 50.3ppg, 9.6apg, 8.6rpg, 46% FG, 40% 3pt,
Curry and Thompson per 36 combined stats: 51.0ppg, 9.3apg, 8.7rpg, 46% FG, 41% 3pt,
That's about as close as you can get offensively. They get the slight edge because Klays a better defender than the other 3.

While Durant is a much better offensive player than George, George is a better defender. Durant has a slight edge accordingly.

Nurkic is better than Green. I won't even get into that.
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I agree with much of this, but as much as I dislike Draymond, he is a hell of a player and really helps them win. Nurk is young and really has room to improve, but for now, Draymond is the better player.
 
theprunetang said:
I agree with much of this, but as much as I dislike Draymond, he is a hell of a player and really helps them win. Nurk is young and really has room to improve, but for now, Draymond is the better player.
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All we have to do is compare stats form Nurks time in Portland to see how even they are (with Nurkic being better IMO).

Nurk per 36 stats in POR: 18.7ppg, 12.8rpg, 3.9apg, 2.3blks, 55TS%, +3.8DBPM
Dray per 36 stats in 2017: 11.3ppg, 8.7rpg, 7.8apg, 1.5blks. 52TS%, +5.0 DBPM
 
RipCityWarrior said:
I think the play is attempt to move up to 6-10 and Issacs is the target. I think the twolves are the best partner, with sac and Orlando being the next best targets.
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This.

I also saw one mock with Minnesota taking Collins at 6. If that happened, I'd be all over trying to trade for Dieng.
 
The Ringer's comparison for Mushidi: Taller Derek Fisher

A total upside pick -- if he stays in the draft.
 
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