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PtldPlatypus said:
If Collins, Jarrett, Jackson, and Anunoby all go between 10-14 as DE projects, Anigbogu might be our best option at 15.
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between the combine and then workouts there is a lot of time and there will likely be significant movement in the 10-26 draft order especially
 
Blazinaway said:
between the combine and then workouts there is a lot of time and there will likely be significant movement in the 10-26 draft order especially
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Certainly hope so.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If Collins, Jarrett, Jackson, and Anunoby all go between 10-14 as DE projects, Anigbogu might be our best option at 15.
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Yikes. Trade the pick then. Anigbogu is nothing special.

If Giles knees check out then maybe him?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If Collins, Jarrett, Jackson, and Anunoby all go between 10-14 as DE projects, Anigbogu might be our best option at 15.
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Anunoby was around 8-10 before he went down with an injury. If he checks out, I expect he will go around 10-12. Jarrett is one of those players who should get attention with his pre-Draft measurements but his 'motor' is a bit suspect to me. I think he goes just before Portland picks. As happens every year, someone parlays a good run in the NCAA tournament into moving up a few spots and this year I think that is Jackson. He's already jumped quite a bit from where he was just a couple of months ago to right around where Portland selects. He will be close.

Collins is one I can't wrap my head around. He has done so well in college but I'm wondering if a 2" shorter wing-span than height works at the NBA level. I love his work ethic but when I watch him, he gets so many of his shots off by just an inch or two and that won't happen in the NBA against better competition. He reminds me a bit of Adam Morrison who would score at will in college but was doing so by barely creating space and I thought had little chance in the NBA. I get a similar feeling about Collins although he plays a different style and position. I also don't think he measure out very tall at pre-Draft though he is listed at 6'10".
 
TBpup said:
Anunoby was around 8-10 before he went down with an injury. If he checks out, I expect he will go around 10-12. Jarrett is one of those players who should get attention with his pre-Draft measurements but his 'motor' is a bit suspect to me. I think he goes just before Portland picks. As happens every year, someone parlays a good run in the NCAA tournament into moving up a few spots and this year I think that is Jackson. He's already jumped quite a bit from where he was just a couple of months ago to right around where Portland selects. He will be close.

Collins is one I can't wrap my head around. He has done so well in college but I'm wondering if a 2" shorter wing-span than height works at the NBA level. I love his work ethic but when I watch him, he gets so many of his shots off by just an inch or two and that won't happen in the NBA against better competition. He reminds me a bit of Adam Morrison who would score at will in college but was doing so by barely creating space and I thought had little chance in the NBA. I get a similar feeling about Collins although he plays a different style and position. I also don't think he measure out very tall at pre-Draft though he is listed at 6'10".
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Just to be clear, I'm talking about Zach from Gonzaga, not John from Wake Forrest. I don't like John Collins at all.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about Zach from Gonzaga, not John from Wake Forrest. I don't like John Collins at all.
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Okay, that helps. Wasn't sure so picked the one I think will be available when Portland selects. I think Zach will be gone.
 
TBpup said:
Okay, that helps. Wasn't sure so picked the one I think will be available when Portland selects. I think Zach will be gone.
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That's why I mentioned those guys as being picked between 10-14, because I don't think they will be available at our pick either.
 
BonesJones said:
It is essentially a team option, but it's not. The team has the option to waive him and save money, thus giving the team an option to decline the players 2nd year. However, it's not a true team option. It's easier to report "His 2nd year is a team option" than "He has a partially guaranteed contract worth $1M for his 2nd year". A lot of fans wouldn't understand what a partially guaranteed contract means.
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And that's assuming the reporters reporting it know the difference. ;)
 
TBpup said:

Collins is one I can't wrap my head around. He has done so well in college but I'm wondering if a 2" shorter wing-span than height works at the NBA level. I love his work ethic but when I watch him, he gets so many of his shots off by just an inch or two and that won't happen in the NBA against better competition. He reminds me a bit of Adam Morrison who would score at will in college but was doing so by barely creating space and I thought had little chance in the NBA. I get a similar feeling about Collins although he plays a different style and position. I also don't think he measure out very tall at pre-Draft though he is listed at 6'10".
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Those measurements posted on his DX profile were taken when he was 15 years old.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
No one has really talked about Leaf, who could play next to Nurk nicely and he may be available around 20-26.
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Undersized, unathletic, not a good defender. We need a two-way PF. Hopefully Vonleh can be that guy be Leaf definitely won't.
 
I wouldn't mind trading 15 to Atlanta for 19 and 31. Maybe you could trade 31 to a team like Brooklyn to shed Leonard. If not, it still gives you a 3rd pick if you trade 26 instead. 19 would be a good spot to pick Giles and 20 would be a good spot to look at someone like Anigbogu or Patton.
 
I like that Justin Jackson played 3 years college ball. Has a game similar to Crabbe but is 2 inches taller and is already better at creating his own shot. Has some defensive potential as well. I'm hoping he slips to 15.
 
Justin Jackson is definitely a safe pick and I think his biggest appeal would be opening up a Crabbe trade. I don't think he's ever a starter, but he's one of the only non-top 10-11 prospects that I feel fairly confident about being able to stick as a rotation player while also having a chance to return some value early on during his rookie deal.

Great pedigree, seems like a smart kid from both interviews and on-court play--shows some passing skill and has always been a low to% guy--and just have a positive gut feeling about him. Still think he has work to do as a shooter and still not sure he totally understands his limitations as a scorer, but I like the progress he made this year and I think he'll at least be able to hit open spot 3's at a decent clip pretty early on, attack a closeout and be a ball mover. Might be able to run some secondary pnr stuff with him as well but it wouldn't be a big part of his offense.

But from a value perspective, he's still pretty low on the board for me and would rather package #15 w/ another pick to trade up or trade down. I don't like many of the prospects past the top 10-11 but there are 5-6 guys that I think have a chance to return similar value at pick 25-45 as positive rotation players (Johnathan Motley, Caleb Swanigan, PJ Dozier in particular)

I've already talked about Dozier at length, but Swanigan (if he continues to improve his body and commit to the defensive end) could be a better Patrick Patterson and for Motley, a more offensively inclined Taj Gibson.
 
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Through about 13-14 depending on who falls where is intriguing. Then I'm not as high on about 14-19 (projections) but like some possibilities at 20-35. Odd, I know and that is just looking at what a summary of Mock Drafts are projecting but in some ways I like what might be available with the last 2 picks more than the first one unless someone of intrigue falls.
 
TBpup said:

Collins is one I can't wrap my head around. He has done so well in college but I'm wondering if a 2" shorter wing-span than height works at the NBA level. I love his work ethic but when I watch him, he gets so many of his shots off by just an inch or two and that won't happen in the NBA against better competition. He reminds me a bit of Adam Morrison who would score at will in college but was doing so by barely creating space and I thought had little chance in the NBA. I get a similar feeling about Collins although he plays a different style and position. I also don't think he measure out very tall at pre-Draft though he is listed at 6'10".
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Uh, this leads me to believe you haven't watched him. He has an array of post moves and is great at finishing at the rim. He has a silky smooth jump shot out to range. His arms are plenty long, in a couple weeks will get some true measurements to go on.

This guy is going to be special.
 
MickZagger said:
Uh, this leads me to believe you haven't watched him. He has an array of post moves and is great at finishing at the rim. He has a silky smooth jump shot out to range. His arms are plenty long, in a couple weeks will get some true measurements to go on.

This guy is going to be special.
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People, people! I believe he is talking about the "other" Collins. But some of that is on him. Full names would be helpful from here on out.
 
Haven't read much of the thread, but what do you guys think about putting two or all of our first round pics to move up? How high do you think we could trade up for and who would you take?
 
Nhawz said:
Haven't read much of the thread, but what do you guys think about putting two or all of our first round pics to move up? How high do you think we could trade up for and who would you take?
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I think the more important factor is the target. You only trade up if you have a target.
This draft is showing 7-8 of the top ten will be Guards, of which we are not in need of. So the questions should really be, who is the target, what is their projected draft position and what would it take to trade up for him, but if you cant nail down a target, you don't trade up.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I think the more important factor is the target. You only trade up if you have a target.
This draft is showing 7-8 of the top ten will be Guards, of which we are not in need of. So the questions should really be, who is the target, what is their projected draft position and what would it take to trade up for him, but if you cant nail down a target, you don't trade up.
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Here's my target: Jonathan Isaacs.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Here's my target: Jonathan Isaacs.
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So we need to get up to #5-#6 to get him. Do you think we can do that in a combo trade to Miami? Our 3 picks for their #6?

I think we would need to give up too much to do so. I think we can get a similar player in Jackson much more realistically.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
So we need to get up to #5-#6 to get him. Do you think we can do that in a combo trade to Miami? Our 3 picks for their #6?

I think we would need to give up too much to do so. I think we can get a similar player in Jackson much more realistically.
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Draft Express has him at #8. I think he has a lot more potential than Jackson.
 
Although I can see him as somebody that Miami would really want; might remind them of Chris Bosh.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So we need to get up to #5-#6 to get him. Do you think we can do that in a combo trade to Miami? Our 3 picks for their #6?

I think we would need to give up too much to do so. I think we can get a similar player in Jackson much more realistically.
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I don't see that Miami has a pick there. Now I feel more comfortable that he might be available at #8. That's the Kings.
 
Sorry, Minni, Not Miami.

Looking at it though, I don't see why we cant get both?
trade #15 & #20 with a decent contract guy like Harkless to get up to #6-#8? to nail down Johnathan Isaac and then use our Cleve pick on Justin Jackson.

Young lanky athletic guys on rookie contracts. Yup. I think we could do both.

And then I would still trade Leonard/Aminu/Crabbe to Phoenix for Chandler and Co. that I proposed in another thread.



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