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[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]

Blazers still have interest in Drummond?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Blazers still have interest in Drummond?

Drummond and Nurk with a low post offense is how you beat GS

 

[Sarni]

Blazers still have interest in Drummond?

Not unless we want to trade Nurkic. You cannot play two of them and you cannot bench two or three $20M players (Nurkic will get close to that in the offseason and one of them would have to sit with Crabbe and Turner).

I think the best destination for him would be either Celtics (Horford as power forward) or, realistically, Sacramento (their bigs will still take a while to develop).

 

[Reep]

Anigbogu is a deandre type you say? Who drafted deandre again?

But not at #15

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But not at #15

Agreed. There is a list of 10-15 people that I would be fine with taking at #26. At 15 there are very few I would take or like though unless some players drop.

 

[Scalma]

Fully agree. That's why I hate the idea of attaching 2 or 3 picks to Leonard to remove his contract, or even one pick, because it could end up being a very good player and we'll look like fools. Rookies are also very cheap for 3-4 years, so if we could have Crabbe, Turner and Leonard on terrible deals for the next 3 years but also have three good rookies at $2M a year or so, it sort of evens things out.

Fuck a salary dump. Either use the picks to move up or to trade for an impact vet. Otherwise stay put and take some swings.

 

[Reep]

Drummond and Nurk with a low post offense is how you beat GS

When GS goes to Durant at PF and Green at C, do you just stay with that and bludgeon them? It might work, but I would fear that they would just rain threes on you. It certainly would be fun to watch.

 

[Reep]

Fully agree. That's why I hate the idea of attaching 2 or 3 picks to Leonard to remove his contract, or even one pick, because it could end up being a very good player and we'll look like fools. Rookies are also very cheap for 3-4 years, so if we could have Crabbe, Turner and Leonard on terrible deals for the next 3 years but also have three good rookies at $2M a year or so, it sort of evens things out.

And in the best case, one of those rooks makes a bad contract obsolete and you can hopefully dump it then.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Stocks are all over the place -- my recalibrated power rankings:

15: John Collins
20: Jordan Bell
26: Rodions Kurucs/Jawan Evans

 

[BonesJones]

Stocks are all over the place -- my recalibrated power rankings:

15: John Collins
20: Jordan Bell
26: Rodions Kurucs/Jawan Evans

*Rips hair out at the thought of that draft*

 

[oldfisherman]

Assuming we keep all three picks (not what I want), these are my picks

15)
A. Donovan Mitchell, I really like this kid
B. Justin Jackson
C. Zack Collins

20)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Isaiah Hartenstein
C. T Leaf

26)
A. Jordan Bell
B. DJ Wilson
C. Lonzo Ball, then send him to the D league

 

[BonesJones]

Assuming we keep all three picks (not what I want), these are my picks

15)
A. Donovan Mitchell, I really like this kid
B. Justin Jackson
C. Zack Collins

20)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Isaiah Hartenstein
C. T Leaf

26)
A. Jordan Bell
B. DJ Wilson
C. Lonzo Ball, then send him to the D league

Agree on all players at 15.

For 20, I prefer
A.) Justin Patton
B.) Harry Giles
C.) OG Anunoby

For 26, I prefer:
A.) D.J. Wilson
B.) Jonah Bolden
C.) Tyler Lydon
D.) Frank Jackson

 

[MickZagger]

I've poured over quite a bit of John Collins footage lately. Honestly, I'm not really seeing it with him. I think Leaf has a better ability to create a shot for himself than John Collins does.

 

[oldfisherman]

Agree on all players at 15.

For 20, I prefer
A.) Justin Patton
B.) Harry Giles
C.) OG Anunoby

For 26, I prefer:
A.) D.J. Wilson
B.) Jonah Bolden
C.) Tyler Lydon
D.) Frank Jackson

I like all of your picks @ #26. There are some real gems late in the first.

I do not really like any of my or your picks @ #20. All of them have some mental toughness or health questions.

Maybe I should have just reached for DJ Wilson @20. He could be the sleeper taken late in the first.

 

[MickZagger]

This Pasecniks kid looks real nice with our 25.

 

[BonesJones]

I like all of your picks @ #26. There are some real gems late in the first.

I do not really like any of my or your picks @ #20. All of them have some mental toughness or health questions.

Maybe I should have just reached for DJ Wilson @20. He could be the sleeper taken late in the first.

I could see us trading #20 to ORL for #25 and #35.

 

[Sarni]

I could see us trading #20 to ORL for #25 and #35.

That's a possibility. We'd probably include some cash in the transactions too. Or include Aminu and get #33 as well? I think Orlando will not want to get too many young players in this draft and they have 4 picks.

 

[Reep]

This Pasecniks kid looks real nice with our 25.

They worked him out against Cam Oliver so he either looked good or got eaten up. He did look quite sweaty in the interview.

 

[Blazer4ever]

I really like the Justin Jackson kid. Only now seen him play and I like him. A good 3p shooter with a nice one handed floater but really a good all around player, also seems like a nice, intelligent kid, and I think he has a lot of upside. One of the best talents I've seen so far, IMO

 

[Scalma]

This Pasecniks kid looks real nice with our 25.

He moves pretty well relative to his size. I like the potential of his shot as well. At 26 it's a no doubter imo

 

[BonesJones]

I really like the Justin Jackson kid. Only now seen him play and I like him. A good 3p shooter with a nice one handed floater but really a good all around player, also seems like a nice, intelligent kid, and I think he has a lot of upside. One of the best talents I've seen so far, IMO

Yeah, well most of us in here have watched him live so, we know. Lol.

 

[JDC]

 

[Hobbesarable]

Assuming we keep all three picks (not what I want), these are my picks

15)
A. Donovan Mitchell, I really like this kid
B. Justin Jackson
C. Zack Collins

20)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Isaiah Hartenstein
C. T Leaf

26)
A. Jordan Bell
B. DJ Wilson
C. Lonzo Ball, then send him to the D league

Here are mine as I would like to see us draft defensive talent:

15)
A. Donovan Mitchell
B. Zach Collins
C. OG Anunoby

20)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Justin Jackson
C. Ike Anigbogu
D. Justin Patton

26)
A. Any of the above that drop, but doubtful
B. Jordan Bell
C. Semi Ojeleye
D. Isaiah Hartenstein

Second Round Surprise (via trade or PA's $$$)
A. PJ Dozier
B. Josh Hart
C. Dwayne Bacon
D. Wesley Iwundu

 

[Scalma]

Ok I'll play

15)

A. Kennard
B. Patton (I'm assuming Z. Collins will be gone)
C. Mitchell

20)

A. Giles
B. Ferguson
C. Anunoby

26)

A. Hartenstein
B. Pasecniks
C. Lessort

 

[JDC]

Here's some more Patton notes I'd made back in April after cooling off on him a bit after a largely poor showing during conference play. Most of that stretch was w/o his starting PG so the easy baskets started to dry up and his weaknesses going against better comp were more exposed.

Justin Patton 7'0" C - Creighton

Strengths

• Fluid athlete (highly coordinated for his size)
• Ability to run the floor (runs hard in both off & def transition)
• Above average leaper in space (lob target)
• Passing vision (throws high level passes w/ both hands)
• Feel guarding in space / pnr (gets into wide stance, fluid hips + quick feet allow him to slide + change direction)
• Active hands (good anticipation / instincts)
• Fluid shot mechanics (good %'s on small sample -- slight hitch in release)
• Shows some ability to put it on the floor (late bloomer, flashes guard-like skills / signs of face-up game)
• Potential dual pnr / pnp threat (mid range shooting + passing + ballhandling gives him potential short roll versatility)

Weaknesses

• Strength (struggles to hold his position)
• Conditioning (plays hard, but can only go for 4-5 min before losing his wind (def positioning / stance suffers)
• Narrow frame + high COG (lacks elite length / reach to make up for it, limits interior defense potential)
• Rebounding instincts (rarely first off the floor or persuing rebounds outside immediate area -- strength issues play a part)
• Shot blocking instincts (lacks twitch / timing / reach to be consistent presence besides making the obvious play)
• Raw offensively (tries to do too much at times, still figuring out what he can and can't do)
• Low post skills (shows flashes, but lacks strength and experience -- doesn't project to be a post up player though)
• Passing accuracy (sees floor at a high level for age, but accuracy is mixed, prone to wild passes)
• Finishing through length / contact (lacks lift when bodied)
• Post defense (lack of strength allows players to get into go-to moves, lacks length / reach / twitch to be disruptive otherwise)

Bust Potential: 7 / 10 (possible fatal defensive flaws + low usg% offensively)
Median Outcome: 10th-13th Man (situational offensive-minded center)
Ultimate Upside: High Post Playmaker (Marcus Camby w/ less rim protection)

 

[BonesJones]

Here's some more Patton notes I'd made back in April after cooling off on him a bit after a largely poor showing during conference play. Most of that stretch was w/o his starting PG so the easy baskets started to dry up and his weaknesses going against better comp were more exposed.

Justin Patton 7'0" C - Creighton

Strengths

• Fluid athlete (highly coordinated for his size)
• Ability to run the floor (runs hard in both off & def transition)
• Above average leaper in space (lob target)
• Passing vision (throws high level passes w/ both hands)
• Feel guarding in space / pnr (gets into wide stance, fluid hips + quick feet allow him to slide + change direction)
• Active hands (good anticipation / instincts)
• Fluid shot mechanics (good %'s on small sample -- slight hitch in release)
• Shows some ability to put it on the floor (late bloomer, flashes guard-like skills / signs of face-up game)
• Potential dual pnr / pnp threat (mid range shooting + passing + ballhandling gives him potential short roll versatility)

Weaknesses

• Strength (struggles to hold his position)
• Conditioning (plays hard, but can only go for 4-5 min before losing his wind (def positioning / stance suffers)
• Narrow frame + high COG (lacks elite length / reach to make up for it, limits interior defense potential)
• Rebounding instincts (rarely first off the floor or persuing rebounds outside immediate area -- strength issues play a part)
• Shot blocking instincts (lacks twitch / timing / reach to be consistent presence besides making the obvious play)
• Raw offensively (tries to do too much at times, still figuring out what he can and can't do)
• Low post skills (shows flashes, but lacks strength and experience -- doesn't project to be a post up player though)
• Passing accuracy (sees floor at a high level for age, but accuracy is mixed, prone to wild passes)
• Finishing through length / contact (lacks lift when bodied)
• Post defense (lack of strength allows players to get into go-to moves, lacks length / reach / twitch to be disruptive otherwise)

Bust Potential: 7 / 10 (possible fatal defensive flaws + low usg% offensively)
Median Outcome: 10th-13th Man (situational offensive-minded center)
Ultimate Upside: High Post Playmaker (Marcus Camby w/ less rim protection)

I think you're completely wrong on Patton. Almost every weakness you listed is strength or conditioning based. which will improve in the NBA. Every strength was skillset based or an athletic tool that is much harder to improve than strength.

 

[MickZagger]

Is Kennard moving up the draft boards or something? He reminds me a lot of Babbitt. Not something I want to invest a 15th pick in

 

[BonesJones]

Is Kennard moving up the draft boards or something? He reminds me a lot of Babbitt. Not something I want to invest a 15th pick in

Be careful with comparing Kennard to any NBA player. I said Reddick and somehow that was a bad comparison and Reddick is Kennard's worst case scenario...

 

[Scalma]

Be careful with comparing Kennard to any white NBA player.

Fify.