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BonesJones said:
I think you're completely wrong on Patton. Almost every weakness you listed is strength or conditioning based. which will improve in the NBA. Every strength was skillset based or an athletic tool that is much harder to improve than strength.
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Doesn't he have asthma? He be in better condition with better medical staff in the pros.
 
Thing that's exciting about Patton is he's relatively new to his body. It's similar to the growth spurt Meyers had but I have more confidence in Patton translating.
 
BonesJones said:
I think you're completely wrong on Patton. Almost every weakness you listed is strength or conditioning based. which will improve in the NBA. Every strength was skillset based or an athletic tool that is much harder to improve than strength.
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To add a little context, this was probably the point in year when I was the lowest on Justin--I've bounced back a little since then. These notes also served as more of an overview of his current strengths and weaknesses and less so a definitive statement about how those will or won't develop in the future. I do think it's fair though to question how much strength acquisition potential he has--his narrow shoulders and narrow/high hips are things that won't change.

And you can forget the "bust potential" number. It's pretty arbitrary and something that changes week to week with all these guys as you go through the natural ebbs and flows of prospect evaluation over an extended period of time. People also define being a "bust" very differently, so there's not a whole lot you can take from it.

With all that said, I have been one of the biggest Patton supporters in this thread since February and I still like him a lot. I do feel he's a bit of a boom or bust prospect, but there's not a lot of boom in this draft past the top 7-8, which is why I'm happy to pick him--even at #15--and even w/ him being a far less obvious fit now w/ Nurkic around (I'm lower on his ability to play 4 than most here, especially if you are trying to compete with GS during the next 5+ years).
 
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Scalma said:
Thing that's exciting about Patton is he's relatively new to his body. It's similar to the growth spurt Meyers had but I have more confidence in Patton translating.
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Not a combative question, but why?
 
JDC said:
This was more a current strengths and

To add a little context, this was probably the point in year when I was the lowest on Justin--I've bounced back a little since then. These notes also served as more of an overview of his current strengths and weaknesses and less so a definitive statement about how those will or won't develop in the future. I do think it's fair though to question how much strength acquisition potential he has--his narrow shoulders and narrow/high hips are things that won't change.

And you can forget the "bust potential" number. It's pretty arbitrary and something that changes week to week with all these guys as you go through the natural ebbs and flows of prospect evaluation over an extended period of time. People also define being a "bust" very differently, so there's not a whole lot you can take from it.

With all that said, I have been one of the biggest Patton supporters in this thread since February and I still like him a lot. I do feel he's a bit of a boom or bust prospect, but there's not a lot of boom in this draft past the top 7-8, which is why I'm happy to pick him--even at #15--and even w/ him being a far less obvious fit now w/ Nurkic around (I'm lower on his ability to play 4 than most here, especially if you are trying to compete with GS during the next 5+ years).
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His dad is 7'3, 350lbs. There's no doubt that Patton could add 20-30lbs of muscle.

I don't see why we couldn't develop Patton into a 4. He has decent lateral quickness, is agile, and has a developeable jumper.

I think he'll probably develop into starting big quality, which will be good for the 1st big off the bench. He reminds me a lot of Myles Turner.
 
BonesJones said:
His dad is 7'3, 350lbs. There's no doubt that Patton could add 20-30lbs of muscle.

I don't see why we couldn't develop Patton into a 4. He has decent lateral quickness, is agile, and has a developeable jumper.

I think he'll probably develop into starting big quality, which will be good for the 1st big off the bench. He reminds me a lot of Myles Turner.
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Anybody can add weight, it's just a matter of how much of that is "good weight". I see him being 240-245 in his athletic prime (23-27).

Myles Turner is a tough comparison for me to agree with much too. Myles had a wider/longer frame, elite blk #'s, better rebounding numbers and more projectable shooting potential--all at a younger age. Patton has better feet, agility,speed and more projectable passing/handling potential.
 
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Semi Ojeleye, much like John Collins, is a guy you really want to like after listening to them interview.

Sometimes you just have to trust the tape, and I just don't see enough offensive skill or defensive potential to be very high on either of them.
 
JDC said:
Anybody can add weight, it's just a matter of how much of that is "good weight". I see him being 240-245 in his athletic prime (23-27).

Myles Turner is a tough comparison for me to agree with much too. Myles had a wider/longer frame, elite blk #'s, better rebounding numbers and more projectable shooting potential--all at a younger age. Patton has better feet, agility,speed and more projectable passing/handling potential.
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Just in terms of style of play offensively.
 
How many players are going to be "off the board by #15"? Yeah, I know the answer should be 14 but according to all reports, it's probably closer to 30. Across several different sources I've seen claims that Kennard will be gone by #15, Mitchell will for sure be gone, Giles will be long gone, Anunoby will have been taken, Justin Jackson will not be available, Zach Collins will be picked before 10... Seriously, everybody's going to be off by 15. We should pack it in.

But seriously, DraftExpress have us taking OG Anunoby at #15 (before Jackson), Harry Giles at #20 (before Leaf) and Pasecniks at #26... I think I like it. Maybe get another power forward prospect in second round if we can buy in there with Davis/Aminu, future pick or cash (Bell or Adebayo?).
 
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Blazinaway said:
NEW Bolden analysis

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/jonah-bolden-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-video-analysis-6004/
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As they say: "It's difficult to find players with his size and length who can make shots from beyond the arc, handle the ball and also demonstrate potential defensively on the perimeter."
But: "With that said, Bolden's mentality doesn't always match the potential he demonstrates in flashes. He tends to get pushed around mercilessly by stronger players at the power forward position, and especially at center where he sees minutes as well. He gets buried under the rim frequently and moved around in the post with ease. He has a thin frame that may struggle to put on a great deal of bulk, and he doesn't show the level of physicality and intensity you might hope to compensate for his lack of strength. Bolden's focus tends to waver from possession to possession and it's not rare to see him lose his man off the ball. He plays very upright at times and doesn't always bother getting in a defensive stance, allowing himself to get buried under the rim without resistance. This shows up most vividly on the defensive glass, where he rarely boxes out, is often flat-footed as the ball comes off the rim, and tends to get moved around by stronger players without fighting back. He was very foul prone this season at 4.3 fouls per-40 minutes, after averaging 3.7 per-40 at UCLA."
 
Could Juwan Evans be a real steal in this point guard heavy draft?
“I’ve been saying that for years. I think he’s got defensive upside like Patrick Beverley and offensively he’s got a lot of similarities with Chris Paul. Once Jawun actually gets guys around him that are your prototypical size in terms of bigs, wings, and specialists in their field, that’s only going to make him a better player at the next level.”

"Evans is listed just below six feet but uses his 6’5 ½ wingspan to clog the passing lanes and reach around opposing ball handlers to poke the ball away. It’s the longest wingspan measurement for any drafted player below six feet in DraftExpress’ system."
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-drafts-most-underrated-point-guard-jawun-evans/
 
I can't see us trading up unless we can get Isaac. The others don't fit well. Unless they want to make sure and get zcollins or someone else.
 
Give me Terrance Ferguson or give me death.

The talk now adays is about how he isn't ready, I disagree. I see a perfect fit - a coach who will get the most out of him, and players who will put him in the ideal situation to succeed. You already know how high I think this kids ceiling is. Even if he never hits that he'd still be my pick. Elite scorer with the length and athleticism to be a top tier 3 and D player, with an average midrange game as well.

Great chemistry fit. Humble hard worker who took a gamble oversees to get experience different from college players. I think he's ready to be part of the rotation, hopefully who ever drafts him believes so as well. Would be a shame for his development to be stunted sitting on the bench.
 
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Fonzthecpt1 said:
Give me Terrance Ferguson or give me death.

The talk now adays is about how he isn't ready. I disagree. I see a perfect fit, a coach who will get the most out of him, and players who will put him in the ideal situation to succeed. You already know how high I think this kids ceiling is. Even if he never hints that he'd still be my pick. Elite scorer with the length and athleticism to be a top tier 3 and D player, with an average midrange game as well.

Great chemistry fit. Humble hard worker who took a gamble oversees to get experience different from college players. I think he's ready to be part of the rotation, hopefully who ever drafts him believes so as well. Would be a shame for his development to be stunted sitting on the bench.
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If he turned out to be a JR Smith/KCP type he'd be a golden pick.
 
Draft Express has made one change; Pasecniks has moved up a few spots so they now have Portland taking Ojeleye at 26 instead of Pasecniks.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Could Juwan Evans be a real steal in this point guard heavy draft?
“I’ve been saying that for years. I think he’s got defensive upside like Patrick Beverley and offensively he’s got a lot of similarities with Chris Paul. Once Jawun actually gets guys around him that are your prototypical size in terms of bigs, wings, and specialists in their field, that’s only going to make him a better player at the next level.”

"Evans is listed just below six feet but uses his 6’5 ½ wingspan to clog the passing lanes and reach around opposing ball handlers to poke the ball away. It’s the longest wingspan measurement for any drafted player below six feet in DraftExpress’ system."
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-drafts-most-underrated-point-guard-jawun-evans/
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He'll be one of the top steals IMO.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Give me Terrance Ferguson or give me death.

The talk now adays is about how he isn't ready, I disagree. I see a perfect fit - a coach who will get the most out of him, and players who will put him in the ideal situation to succeed. You already know how high I think this kids ceiling is. Even if he never hits that he'd still be my pick. Elite scorer with the length and athleticism to be a top tier 3 and D player, with an average midrange game as well.

Great chemistry fit. Humble hard worker who took a gamble oversees to get experience different from college players. I think he's ready to be part of the rotation, hopefully who ever drafts him believes so as well. Would be a shame for his development to be stunted sitting on the bench.
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I don't know much about him but I think the "isn't ready" argument is a little weak. How many of these players are ready? None of the freshmen who dominate the lottery. It is all based on projections on how a player will be in 2-3 years. So if Ferguson projects to be a very good 2 way player in a couple years......I would be open to taking him with one of our picks.

On a another note I see nbadraft.net has Anunoby projected to go in the 2nd round? Where Draft Express has us taking him at 15.....
 
NBA draft.net historically isn't terribly accurate while DE is pretty reliable
 
Schilly said:
NBA draft.net historically isn't terribly accurate while DE is pretty reliable
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I looked at nbadraft.net the other day, and they had OG as a 2nd round pick.

I didn't see any other site (only looked at like 3 or 4) that had him go past 16.
 
Nbadraft.net seems to do their mock draft based more largely on their "scouts" big board rather than than intel they gather from around the league which is why I think you see a pretty large slotting devide on certain prospects.

Basically, DX is much more about getting their mock draft to mirror what they think will actually than nbadraft.net is.

Not saying which is better or worse, but just pointing out the differences in philosophy.
 
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The main reason I've used NBA Draft.net is the page layout is pretty user friendly. Their player summaries are also very well done. I just don't want to watch a ton of Youtube video with a bunch of slow visuals. Since I usually wait till a couple of weeks before the draft before gorging on info, that site works well.
 
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