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That's all they were doing. It must be nice for prospects to be exposed to a modern, pro style offense.
 
I could honestly see the top 10 playing out like this:
1.) Sixers trade up to take Fultz
2.) Lakers shock everyone and take Fox
3.) Celtics take Jackson
4.) The Suns gave Isaac a promise pre-draft and take him (which is why he's only working out for top 4 teams)
5.) Ball falls to the Kings at 5.
6.) Tatum falls to Orlando.
7.) Timberwolves take another PG in Smith
8.) Knicks add more international flavor with Ntilikina
9.) Dallas takes Monk
10.) Sacremento takes Markkanen

Ball would have Hield and Markkanen to pass the ball to as shooters. It'd be interesting.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Absolutely terrible. Writer is an idiot.

Trade 1: Kilpatrick is worthless. We wouldn't give up #15 in a loaded draft to get rid of $9M a year when we're $30M over the cap with one of, if not the richest owner in the league.

Trade 2: Give up 2 first round picks to shed $9M in salary? Booker is slightly more valuable than E.T. but isn't really an upgrade at PF over the 3 guys we already have (Davis, Aminu, Vonleh). That would leave a hole at the wing, and only save us $9M in salary ($18M if Booker left after next year, but then what's the point in acquiring him?). So basically it's a cap dump of a contract we signed last summer and attaching 2 picks to it. Fucking horrible.
 
Gronk Brady said:
My anti-salary dump rant...

The sole purpose of a salary dump is to save Paul Allen money... there are no salary cap benefits, since no trade would bring us far enough under the cap to sign a difference maker... and even if we did get enough cap room somehow, we have seen that no free agents will sign here...

This is one of the deepest drafts in decades and the thought of Neil giving a pick basically for free makes me sick. He chose to offer those contracts when he could have just let those players walk... he knew what the salary implications were gonna be at that time.

I like Neil, and I think he is great at evaluating young talent. He needs to use the picks and stock the team with as many assets as possible. A salary dump only to save Paul Allen money is not fair to Blazers fans that support the team.

I'm sick of local media guys like Jay Allen spinning it like dumping salary is a good thing. Losing assets for nothing can close any potential opportunities in the future to go for title during Lillard's prime. And making room to sign Nurkic is not an excuse... we have his rights and can sign him no matter how far we are over the cap.
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I think this board understands and agrees with your point. BlazersEdge and folks at RealGM don't understand it. They suggest we should dump Crabbe by trading #15, then draft guys like Thornwell and Bradley at #20 and #26. Stupid.

I've advocated for a salary dump if we could dump Turner, Crabbe, Davis, Aminu, and Leonard while keeping #15. That'd save us about $60M in salary, meaning we'd have apx. $35M in cap space while still having a starting lineup (Lillard, CJ, Harkless, Vonleh, Nurkic) and #15. If we couldn't save that much, then there's absolutely no point to shed any salary for the reasons you stated.
 
It's crazy to me P.J. Dozier isn't talked about more as a 1st rounder. I understand I'm a huge fan and there's biases that come with that, but in a draft starved for quality wings w/ 2-way potential, you have a smooth athlete that's a top 6 perimeter defender with plus tools, a developing handle/feel with workable shot mechanics--he shot 44.5% from 3 during the first 20 games of the year.

It honestly blows my mind.
 
JDC said:
It's crazy to me P.J. Dozier isn't talked about more as a 1st rounder. I understand I'm a huge fan and there's biases that come with that, but in a draft starved for quality wings w/ 2-way potential, you have a smooth athlete that's a top 6 perimeter defender with plus tools, a developing handle/feel with workable shot mechanics--he shot 44.5% from 3 during the first 20 games of the year.

It honestly blows my mind.
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He's not a good ball handler or passer, he's outside shooting is average at best, and he doesn't have any mid range game. Gonna be hard for him to score at the next level whether it be catch and shoot or off the dribble. He's not gonna create shots for others either.
 
BonesJones said:
He's not a good ball handler or passer, he's outside shooting is average at best, and he doesn't have any mid range game. Gonna be hard for him to score at the next level whether it be catch and shoot or off the dribble. He's not gonna create shots for others either.
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How much of Dozier have you watched?

I've seen every single minute available on youtube and I understand that his %'s don't paint a pretty picture in this area (I'm 100% positive your assertion of "no mid range game" is coming from his DX breakdown) but the tape shows an ability to find shots in that area at a high rate due to size, craft, handle and high release--which is a valuable skill even if the mid range J in a vacuum isn't an efficient shot.

And yes, he's not immune to mishandles or missed reads in the pnr, but he's an unselfish player who's played his whole career as a PG. I feel pretty comfortable projecting him as a guy who'll be able to handle and make a play in some capacity.
 
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JDC said:
How much of Dozier have you watched? I've seen every single minute available on youtube I understand that his %'s don't paint a pretty picture in this area (I'm 100% positive your assertion of "no mid range game" is coming from his DX breakdown) but the tape shows an ability to find shots in that area at high rate due to size, craft, handle and high release.

And yes, he's not immune to mishandles, or missed reads in the pnr, but he's an unselfish player who's played his whole career as a PG.
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I've watched some. He didn't shoot any midrange jumpers.
 
How bout this for draft day?

Portland trades #15 and Harkless to DET for #12.
POR takes Donovan Mitchell 12th
DET takes Luke Kennard 15th

Portland trades #20, #26 to MIA for #14
POR takes Zach Collins 14th
MIA takes T.J Leaf 20th

Maybe get both by trading #20, #26, and Harkless for #12?
 
JDC said:
It's crazy to me P.J. Dozier isn't talked about more as a 1st rounder. I understand I'm a huge fan and there's biases that come with that, but in a draft starved for quality wings w/ 2-way potential, you have a smooth athlete that's a top 6 perimeter defender with plus tools, a developing handle/feel with workable shot mechanics--he shot 44.5% from 3 during the first 20 games of the year.

It honestly blows my mind.
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This video might explain it:
 
BonesJones said:
How bout this for draft day?

Portland trades #15 and Harkless to DET for #12.
POR takes Donovan Mitchell 12th
DET takes Luke Kennard 15th

Portland trades #20, #26 to MIA for #14
POR takes Zach Collins 14th
MIA takes T.J Leaf 20th

Maybe get both by trading #20, #26, and Harkless for #12?
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I mean, sure. If that is the outcome of the draft, I'd be bloody stoked. Can't see it happening but it would be brilliant.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
This video might explain it:
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Saw the video a few months back and originally thought he still had no ACL after surgery--the video doesn't make it very clear--which obviously would've been a huge issue. But he did have the ACL and MCL repaired in 2013 and hasn't any major issues since.
 
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JDC said:
What are you basing this on? 1-2 games and a DX breakdown? I honestly want to know.
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The could of games I've watched him. Maybe he does and didn't show it during the games I watched.
 
Rastapopoulos said:


Sabonis got booed! Not surprising - foreign picks always get booed.
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Yes.....by people who don't know basketball. There will always be those boisterous one making a lot of noise making up for the fact that they know very little.
 
Rastapopoulos said:


Sabonis got booed! Not surprising - foreign picks always get booed.
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He should be booed (not really, but I'd have booed if I were old enough and realized he would use us for so long before coming over - we were genuinely robbed of seeing him in his prime. And he'd kill it in today's NBA).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
He should be booed (not really, but I'd have booed if I were old enough and realized he would use us for so long before coming over - we were genuinely robbed of seeing him in his prime. And he'd kill it in today's NBA).
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He wasn't allowed to play in the NBA by the Soviet Union. When he was finally cleared to play, he was coming off multiple devastating injuries and didn't feel ready physically yet to make the jump. When he and Portland finally decided to have him come over, Whitsitt had Portland's physician look him over. The doctor told Whitsitt that Sabonis could have qualified for a handicapped parking spot based on his X-rays alone.

I don't think I'd have booed him.
 
Minstrel said:
He wasn't allowed to play in the NBA by the Soviet Union. When he was finally cleared to play, he was coming off multiple devastating injuries and didn't feel ready physically yet to make the jump. When he and Portland finally decided to have him come over, Whitsitt had Portland's physician look him over. The doctor told Whitsitt that Sabonis could have qualified for a handicapped parking spot based on his X-rays alone.

I don't think I'd have booed him.
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He'd had opportunities to come here sooner.

And again, since you missed it, clearly, as disappointed as I was, I did say "not really" as I would not have actually booed him.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
He'd had opportunities to come here sooner.
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Yes, I already said that. Those "opportunities" were after his crushing injuries and he didn't feel physically ready for the NBA yet. As I also noted, even when he did come over, Portland's physician said his X-rays were those of a handicapped person. So he probably wasn't lying. How does that equal "using" Portland?

And again, since you missed it, clearly, as disappointed as I was, I did say "not really" as I would not have actually booed him.
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Actually, you said "not really" to whether he should be booed. Immediately after that, you said you would have booed him if you had been old enough to know how Sabonis was using Portland. ;)
 
Minstrel said:
A fact that I told you. But you didn't answer my question as to how he was using Portland.
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We helped him all along and he could have come sooner.

I'm young enough that I don't recall the first few years after the draft, but old enough to see all the resentment threads about Sabonis waiting so long to finally come to the US.
 
Interesting tidbit here from Chad Ford:
The Trail Blazers, who hold three first-round picks, continue to shop around No. 20, per Ford.
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That tells me that the Blazers are set at #15 and #26. Are trades already worked out for those other picks, or are we standing pat and drafting best available?
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
15+26 + Crabbe + Leonard for PG + Thad. Draft Giles at #20.
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I'm not a fan of the idea of trading for PG and even I think that'd be an incredible trade... I've always liked Thad, think he'd be a really nice fit next to Nurk and in that lineup, dude could just be the athletic junkyard guy he's meant to be...
 
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