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KeepOnRollin said:
The 76ers are reportedly listening to offers for the 3rd pick as they are assuming Fultz and Ball are off the board by the time their turn rolls around.

And no, I didn't post this to say that means we can or will go after their pick. Just interesting since they are normally looking to add more high picks. They might truly be ready to cash in for an established star (if they can get one to come or keep).
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So you're saying we can get their 3rd pick?

;)
 
After spending big to retain most of the roster last summer, the Blazers have no desire to make trades simply to shed salary. The team wants to improve in the short-term and will address the cap situation and tax penalties down the road. This summer will likely be busy for the Blazers and Olshey, with movement and restructuring coming well ahead of the July free agency period.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_set_for_busy_summer_as_nba_draft_tra.html
 
what's interesting is that this draft IMO is really "equalish" from 12/13 to 40-45 and I really "trust" no one, especially the PF/C types and SF's as well. So while one might not "trust" Pacseniks or Bolden or Bell, or Semi, you may be able to get 2 or 3 of those guys in the second rd or very late first and frankly their risk of not making it (the lack of trust) is the same (again IMO) as currently higher ranked guys like Jarret Allen/John Collins/Ike/Patton/Giles/Leaf/Hartenstein/Adebayo. So from my view perhaps trade back and maybe grab Philly's early 2nd rd picks and see if you could pick up a few of the guys like Bolden/Bell/Semi or Pasecniks there
 
JDC said:
I could see this happening if LA takes Lonzo. Philly takes Monk at #5 and whoever's left of the top end guys at #10.
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Yeah, makes too much sense for both clubs for that deal not to happen.
 
I guess we will see who get invited for dinner with management. We zero in with what players we will be looking at for those 3 draft position.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, makes too much sense for both clubs for that deal not to happen.
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It doesn't make much sense for Kings though, does it? Fox is very likely to be still available at 5. I don't think 76ers are taking a ball dominant point guard who can't shoot, likewise I very much doubt Suns will take Fox over Tatum/Jackson. So they are basically giving up #10 for possibly nothing.

What Kings might actually do is move up from #10 to #7 to try and take Isaac. They don't have any wings and good wings won't be available at 10 anymore. On the other hand Timberwolves do not need a small forward but could use Zach Collins at 10. If Kings offer #10 and #34, Wolves might take that? Or they might try to trade cap space for #8 with Knicks.

Kings can still acquire a couple of pick through trading cap space. Spurs pick is up for grabs if they are willing to take Gasol because Spurs will want run at Paul in free agency. We might give them #26 if they take Crabbe. Lots of possibilities when you are $36M below salary floor.

For me, Kings trading two top 10 picks for one makes no sense here. They WILL get Fox IMO and I also feel that they will move up to get Isaac. If not then Markkanen or Collins at 10 still makes sense too - Collins for all round ability, Markkanen for shooting which they will need when they get Fox. I feel though that Markkanen will be disappointment in the league at first and someone you might be able to take 1-2 years down the line just for taking on bad contracts.

Then they will tank 2018 to get a top 3 pick and fast track their rebuild. If they can get a Fox/Hield/Isaac/M. Porter/Skal core next year, this could potentially get them somewhere.
 
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If SAC trades 5 & 10 up to 3, we need to try extremely hard to trade up to 6.

Why?

Because SAC would take Fox 3rd, and PHX would take Jackson or Tatum 4th. PHI would most likely take Monk or Smith 5th, leaving one of Jackson or Tatum available for us at 6.

#15, #20, #26, our 2018 1st, and Harkless for #6, #33, and #35 would be perfect.
 
BonesJones said:
If SAC trades 5 & 10 up to 3, we need to try extremely hard to trade up to 6.

Why?

Because SAC would take Fox 3rd, and PHX would take Jackson or Tatum 4th. PHI would most likely take Monk or Smith 5th, leaving one of Jackson or Tatum available for us at 6.

#15, #20, #26, our 2018 1st, and Harkless for #6, #33, and #35 would be perfect.
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That'd be great, but I don't think they pass on the opportunity to draft Tatum/Smith/Jackson. Orlando needs to find high-end talent to build around and you have a lot better chance to find that guy at #6.
 
JDC said:
That'd be great, but I don't think they pass on the opportunity to draft Tatum/Smith/Jackson. Orlando needs to find high-end talent to build around and you have a lot better chance to find that guy at #6.
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I don't think they would either, and they shouldn't. However, it's Orlando, so who knows what they do.

I just want one of Tatum/Jackson/Isaac/Monk, and one will be available at 7 and possibly 8. We should really be targeting Orlando, Minnesota, and New York.
 
No one is talking about us moving up to #9 where Dallas is picking. However, I feel like it could be a real possibility.

In Dirk's 20th season, I feel like Dallas will want to try to compete for a playoff spot. I could see them trying to add talent while trading back in the draft. #15 + Harkless for #9 + Harris + Hammons + Brussino would be an interesting proposition, as Harkless makes their bench better, they only add $2M-$3M so they would still be a player in free agency. Harkless also adds to their youth movement, and all for moving back 6 spots.

We would save a little bit of money, and would have #9, #20, and #26. That draft pick package would make it a lot easier to trade up into the 5-7 range, and would also be a lot more attractive to Chicago and Indiana if they were taking offers for Jimmy Butler and Paul George.
 
Another package I would try is Harkless, Ezeli, and #15 for #9 and Wesley Matthews.

Dallas would save $7M and get a younger player in Harkless who would fit behind Barnes. We would replace Harkless with Matthews, who would fit, bring veteran leadership, and has ties to the team. Again, #9, #20, and #26 would be a much more attractive draft pick package to other teams than what we have.
 
BonesJones said:
Another package I would try is Harkless, Ezeli, and #15 for #9 and Wesley Matthews.

Dallas would save $7M and get a younger player in Harkless who would fit behind Barnes. We would replace Harkless with Matthews, who would fit, bring veteran leadership, and has ties to the team. Again, #9, #20, and #26 would be a much more attractive draft pick package to other teams than what we have.
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but we are not cutting salary for next yr, we are adding as we take on Matthews vs Hark - 6 -7 mil more, that just won't happen IMO
 
Blazinaway said:
but we are not cutting salary for next yr, we are adding as we take on Matthews vs Hark - 6 -7 mil more, that just won't happen IMO
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Why not? We can cut costs elsewhere. Matthews makes Crabbe expendable if we draft a wing at #9 or higher (who would replace Harkless). We could use #20 or #26 to dump Turner/Leonard if the added salary is that debilitating (Matthews makes Turner expendable as well). Or, we can use the better draft positioning to make a trade for Butler or George that we couldn't before, and be a contender.

Fans too often say "That initial move won't happen for this reason", when that reason would be addressed later in the off-season. We wouldn't just make that trade and call it good. And even if we did, I think Paul Allen wouldn't mind paying a little bit more money to improve our draft positioning. He loves the draft. #9 is much more valuable than #15 and he knows that.
 
BonesJones said:
Crabbe and #20 for Leuer and #12?

Or

BKN Gets: Leonard, Leuer, 26th pick
DET Gets: Crabbe, 20th pick
We Get: 12th Pick
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I would make both trades, especially the first one, that is a steal.

I was under the impression that the Pistons where very happy with Leuer, but I could be wrong.
 
oldfisherman said:
I would make both trades, especially the first one, that is a steal.

I was under the impression that the Pistons where very happy with Leuer, but I could be wrong.
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Yeah from all reports SVG likes Leuer a lot for what he is. But even if he didn't, I think getting the better player/contract plus the better pick is a pretty optimistic return.
 
So Giles is getting workout from us and I heard he been having some pretty good workout with other teams. If he medically sound you might see him get pick by us with either the 15 or 20.
 
oldfisherman said:
I would make both trades, especially the first one, that is a steal.

I was under the impression that the Pistons where very happy with Leuer, but I could be wrong.
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I feel like SVG would actually value Crabbe as a positive asset. Would like to see if A.C. and #20 for #12 is possible. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Just figured DET would want to send salary back.
 
BonesJones said:
I feel like SVG would actually value Crabbe as a positive asset. Would like to see if A.C. and #20 for #12 is possible. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Just figured DET would want to send salary back.
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Nobody is going to value Crabbe at almost $20M a year as positive asset.

The only positive assets we have are Lillard, CJ, Nurkic and possibly Harkless. I guess Aminu and Davis will be viewed as neutral/slightly positive value but Crabbe, Turner and Leonard will all be negatives. The way I see it, whatever we do in the market we'll be shopping with our three picks this year, our 2018 1st round pick and the three players mentioned (Harkless, Aminu and Davis).

I think we can get as high as #7 with a good combination of assets. Questions is, do we want to take Jonathan Isaac there, or do we prefer to get someone like Justin Jackson and trade assets for other pieces. I think moving up to #10 is comfortably doable without sacrificing too much. I think eventually we might end up with #10 AND #7 if we do our trading right, and have Jonathan Isaac and Zach Collins (but give up on all our three picks from this year, plus also give up on 2018 1st and Harkless) to develop. We could also trade Aminu and Davis for 2nd rounders to get some rotational pieces like Thornwell, Bell, Jeanne, Pasecniks or Ike.

Lillard, McCollum, Isaac, Collins and Nurkic has great potential. If you replace Isaac with Justin Jackson, it's still good potential out there. Actually, I might prefer to get Jackson at #15 to Isaac at #7 if it also means adding one of Jeanne, Pasecniks or Bell. I won't be surprised if we go after someone like Thornwell in order to make Crabbe even more expendable too. Jawun Evans as back up playmaker would also be good.
 
Sarni said:
Nobody is going to value Crabbe at almost $20M a year as positive asset.
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You're probably right, and that reveals the creative avenue our FO should be taking if trying to move him. Crabbe is at best a neutral asset, so package him and our pick to move up or down a spot or two, depending on who the trade partner is targeting.
 
handiman said:
You're probably right, and that reveals the creative avenue our FO should be taking if trying to move him. Crabbe is at best a neutral asset, so package him and our pick to move up or down a spot or two, depending on who the trade partner is targeting.
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He's IMO a negative asset but one that could be somewhat attractive to teams, if that makes sense. I think teams will prefer to take him as salary dump than Bazemore or Noah, for sure.

I'd target Orlando. They should have cap space, no free agents will want to sign there for the next 3 years anyway, and they could use another shooter. They have two picks after #30 and we could give them #26 plus Crabbe for one of them. It wouldn't be that bad of a deal. Philadelphia could also make sense but they are much tougher to deal with. Still, #26 plus Crabbe for #36 makes sense (a bit of).
 
2K working out with the Bulls, and word is they are interested in him at 16. Hope we take him with the 15 and pull the rug out from underneath the Bulls!
 
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