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I agree about needing a 3rd scoring option. I'd prefer to just force Oden in that role, and improve the PG spot with someone who is a threat even slightly to penetrate. Oden becomes a 14 point per game scorer alongside a PG who could throw him 2 lobs or dump offs a game, IMO.

The problem I see with Hedo is, I still have faith in Oden to develop, and having hedo at 10 a year either, in a year, makes him an extremely overpaid 4th option, who isn't really a "role playe" in that he isn't good enough to defend the oppositions best player, or it makes Oden a 4th option, and we'll have 2 more seasons of complaining about his lack of touches.
 
If Oden can play 30-32 mpg instead of 22 - you got your 3rd scorer without him adding one bit of skill. Of course, better perimeter defense will help him stay out of stupid foul trouble helping him achieve that...

So - while I disagree with the idea that 3rd scorer is more important than perimeter defense - even if I am wrong - better perimeter defense will pretty much provide that 3rd scorer by default...
 
Blaze01 said:
PapaG -

He wasn't in the playoffs...but I agree that he will develop into a consistent 2nd scoring option at worst....
My point wasn't with Aldridge, it was with who else is going to consistently show up for POR to be a succesful playoff team?

Maybe it comes from one of the young players on the team...but here POR sits with the chance to strike and get that 3rd scoring option....That is what I think they should be focused on...

DA O -

Nice point on the attacking the rim, Roy was the ONLY player for POR who showed that ability versus HOU...and it is a concern, you need to be able to manufacture points in the playoffs...just shooting jumpshots won't do it....
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LMA put up almost 20 ppg on 49% shooting against Houston. I guess I'm not clear on what a "consistent" scorer is by your definition? That said, I'm not totally against Hedo, I'm just not sure he is what the Blazers need (price/length of contract considering, of course). :cheers:
 
LMA put up almost 20 ppg on 49% shooting against Houston. I guess I'm not clear on what a "consistent" scorer is by your definition?
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Game 1 (loss) 3-12 7pts 3 rbds 2 TO

Game 2 (win) 11-19 27pts 12 rbds 0 TO

Game 3 (loss) 6-15 13pts 8rbds 4 TO

Game 4 (loss) 8-17 19pts 10rbds 1 TO

Game 5 (win) 11-20 25pts 7 rbds 2 TO

Game 6 (loss) 12-21 26pts 5 rbds 1 TO


Aldridge was not the reason POR lost this series, but he was inconsistent in the first 4 games, and POR needed him to be solid in every single game to have a chance to win the series...more accurate would have been 60% instead of half...regardless though Aldridge is not the main issue I was making, because I think he finished the series strong, and will get better and more consistent (in the playoffs).....the problem is niether Aldridge or Roy got any help from the rest of the team...and while it is all good and optimistic to think that other players will step into that 3rd scoring role, it is certainly not something that I or IMO POR mgmt should feel comfortable with developin going into the season (and more importantly playoffs) with....ESPECIALLY when they have the assets (young players, picks) and wiggle room (available cap space) to go out and get that 3rd scoring option...and then IMO you are in a position of strength...and if an Oden, Bayless or Rudy develop into that 4th or 3rd wheel...well even better....

Why the need for a consistent 3rd scorer? Look below to illustrate my point

Top Scorer other that Roy & Aldridge

Game 1 (loss) Oden 15pts 5 rbds (Roy 21, Aldridge 7pts) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 34.6%

Game 2 (win) Fernandez 11pts (Roy 42, Aldridge 27) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 64.5%

Game 3 (loss) Fernandez 17pts (Blake had 16pts & 10 Asst) Roy 19, Aldridge 13 - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 38.6%

Game 4 (loss) Outlaw 14pts (Roy 31, Aldridge 19) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 56.8%

Game 5 (win) Blake 15pts 7 rbds (Roy & Aldridge 25pts) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 56.8%

Game 6 (loss) Outlaw 9pts (2-9 FG) Aldridge 26, Roy 22 - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 63.2%

So in the wins, not only did Roy & Aldridge have to account for over 60% of the entire offense, but they needed someone to at least step up into that 3rd role...Game 1 IMO was an enigma b\c it was such a lopsided blowout that most of the 4th quarter (1/2 way thru the 3rd?) was garbage time essentially)....In Game 2 Blake chipped in 10pts in support as well...

In essence they need more help if POR expects to ascend to an NBA title....and I don't think you cna win consistently in the playoffs with that being a commitee approach, and Roy isn't MJ, LeBron or Kobe....yet?

Now maybe that will come from within, but why put all of your chips down on that? Why not look to add a 3rd scoring piece and then if another player or 2 develop you are even in a stronger position IMO....
 
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My opinion is that Orlando retains Turkoglu and pays him the extra $2-5 million that he'll want. Yes, it'll mean one year of tax. But next summer, both Battie and Alston come off their books and they should drop back down to just under the tax threshold again. They have no-one to replace Turkoglu and with their post-season success and new revenue stream coming in a couple of years from the new arena? Yeah, they'll keep him.
 
Blaze01 said:
Game 1 (loss) 3-12 7pts 3 rbds 2 TO

Game 2 (win) 11-19 27pts 12 rbds 0 TO

Game 3 (loss) 6-15 13pts 8rbds 4 TO

Game 4 (loss) 8-17 19pts 10rbds 1 TO

Game 5 (win) 11-20 25pts 7 rbds 2 TO

Game 6 (loss) 12-21 26pts 5 rbds 1 TO


Aldridge was not the reason POR lost this series, but he was inconsistent in the first 4 games, and POR needed him to be solid in every single game to have a chance to win the series...more accurate would have been 60% instead of half...regardless though Aldridge is not the main issue I was making, because I think he finished the series strong, and will get better and more consistent (in the playoffs).....the problem is niether Aldridge or Roy got any help from the rest of the team...and while it is all good and optimistic to think that other players will step into that 3rd scoring role, it is certainly not something that I or IMO POR mgmt should feel comfortable with developin going into the season (and more importantly playoffs) with....ESPECIALLY when they have the assets (young players, picks) and wiggle room (available cap space) to go out and get that 3rd scoring option...and then IMO you are in a position of strength...and if an Oden, Bayless or Rudy develop into that 4th or 3rd wheel...well even better....

Why the need for a consistent 3rd scorer? Look below to illustrate my point

Top Scorer other that Roy & Aldridge

Game 1 (loss) Oden 15pts 5 rbds (Roy 21, Aldridge 7pts) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 34.6%

Game 2 (win) Fernandez 11pts (Roy 42, Aldridge 27) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 64.5%

Game 3 (loss) Fernandez 17pts (Blake had 16pts & 10 Asst) Roy 19, Aldridge 13 - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 38.6%

Game 4 (loss) Outlaw 14pts (Roy 31, Aldridge 19) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 56.8%

Game 5 (win) Blake 15pts 7 rbds (Roy & Aldridge 25pts) - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 56.8%

Game 6 (loss) Outlaw 9pts (2-9 FG) Aldridge 26, Roy 22 - Roy\Aldridge % of total offense 63.2%

So in the wins, not only did Roy & Aldridge have to account for over 60% of the entire offense, but they needed someone to at least step up into that 3rd role...Game 1 IMO was an enigma b\c it was such a lopsided blowout that most of the 4th quarter (1/2 way thru the 3rd?) was garbage time essentially)....In Game 2 Blake chipped in 10pts in support as well...

In essence they need more help if POR expects to ascend to an NBA title....and I don't think you cna win consistently in the playoffs with that being a commitee approach, and Roy isn't MJ, LeBron or Kobe....yet?

Now maybe that will come from within, but why put all of your chips down on that? Why not look to add a 3rd scoring piece and then if another player or 2 develop you are even in a stronger position IMO....
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Rafer Alson, Rashard Lewis, and Hedo all have been "consistent secondary scorers" depending on the game in this year's playoffs. I suggest that you run your same analysis on Orlando; you may be surprised at the results, and you may even come to the conclusion that they don't even have a "consistent" PRIMARY scorer in these playoffs, let alone a consistent tertiary scorer.
 
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Look, we need a more consistent 3rd option on offense. I can't believe anybody would seriously dispute that. There are 3 ways to approach this problem.

A) Hope somebody on the roster is going to grow into the role. Blake and Outlaw are vets - they are what they are. Rudy can still refine his game and fill the role. Bayless has the talent, but we don't know if he will ever harness it. Some people see Oden in the role. Whatever.

B) Add a good vet PG. He doesn't have to be a great scorer....if he is a traditional playmaker, he will make the guys around him better by setting them up to succeed.

C) Bring in a designated scorer like Hedo. Personally, I wouldn't call that my first choice - but it beats the hell out of doing nothing. My big grip with Hedo is that he supposedly wants over $10 million a year. That is too much.

To be honest, I am less concerned with *how* the team addresses the problem, than I am with the notion that they may not address it at all!
 
Hedo at 3 years/$21 million total with a team option on a 4th year? Sure, he'd add to this team either starting or as a 6th man.

Hedo at an extended deal near a max contract? No thanks.
 
Looks like it's official.

Orlando Magic sharpshooter Hedo Turkoglu's next shot will be at free agency.

Lon Babby, the agent for Turkoglu, told the Orlando Sentinel on Monday that his client will opt out of his contract and become a free agent in two weeks.

"It would make sense for him to opt out," Babby told the newspaper by phone. "I can't imagine a scenario in which he would not."

June 30 is the first day players can declare for free agency. In Turkoglu's case, it wouldn't matter if the Magic choose to re-sign the 6-foot-10 forward.

Turkoglu will be entering the final year of a $36 million, six-year contract. He is scheduled to make $7.3 million next season under terms of that deal.

Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu has many free-agency options, writes Chris Sheridan. Story

Babby told the Sentinel he intends to discuss the situation in the coming days with general manager Otis Smith. The Magic are just beginning to put their NBA Finals loss to the Lakers -- Los Angeles finished the series Sunday night in five games with a 99-86 victory -- behind them.

"I think Hedo distinguished himself in this playoff run," the agent said. "He's in a different spot than he was before the playoffs began. He's a rare player, a unique player who helped take a team to the Finals. He's grateful for the opportunity he has been given. He's enjoyed his time in Orlando. It's a solid organization, a team on the rise.

"Hedo will weigh his options."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4260167
 
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