Merged: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

[Draco]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Would signing him take up our cap space? in that case we can't get a PG or a back up PF, and I would rather get either of those over Turkoglu.

Great point we need to focus on using cap space to get a backup PF before we worry about a starting SF.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Backup PF are a dime a dozen. Joe Smith and Mikki Moore were both picked up very late in the year. I can guarantee Joe Smith is better than all of our backup PF.

As for PG, who are you planning on picking up? There has to be somebody to pick up in order to pick them up, and I don't see anybody out there.

Ramon Sessions.

 

[Draco]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

If Portland did add Turkoglu, do they continue running Blake/Sergio at point guard (I won't comment on Bayless until he's actually being used in the rotation) or should Portland try putting Batum at "point guard" for defensive purposes? Let Turkoglu and Roy handle and distribute, have Batum pass, slash and shoot on offense and defend the opposing point guard?

Interesting idea of moving Batum to PG. Hedo would basically be the PG on offense with Batum playing PG on D.

If that did happen it would probably make the most sense to have Batum start at PG as you would want him to play most of his minutes when Roy and Hedo are on the court togeather. Then Blake would be available to sub in for Roy or Hedo to keep 2 ball handlers on the floor.

 

[Draco]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Ramon Sessions.

I'd be very happy with any of Sessions, Andre Miller or Turkoglu.

They all have some great advantages and would provide an element the team is lacking.

I just hope we get somebody! And I don't mean a "quality" SF to be named later that ends up being James Jones.

My fear is we end up with nothing and just stand pat this offseason as we did at the trading deadline when we held an asset with more value than Amare Stoudemire.

 

[oldguy]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Using cap space on a small forward, leaving nothing to sign a point guard upgrade, would seem like a bad idea...except that Turkoglu happens to have some point guard skills himself, so he actually partially addresses the need for a point guard. Solidifying the small forward position and adding another distributor would be a pretty interesting and possibly very good move.

If Portland did add Turkoglu, do they continue running Blake/Sergio at point guard (I won't comment on Bayless until he's actually being used in the rotation) or should Portland try putting Batum at "point guard" for defensive purposes? Let Turkoglu and Roy handle and distribute, have Batum pass, slash and shoot on offense and defend the opposing point guard?

I'm not entirely sure it would work, but it's an interesting idea to me. I don't really want Batum buried, since I think he's already a pretty useful player and I don't want his defense removed from a team struggling with its perimeter defense.

Good GOD, man. That would be a freak'n HUGE lineup! GO, LMA, HT, BR and NB?

It just might work if Nic can find his jump shot this off season. I think he can, and will.

I would much prefer Sessions, if I had my preference, but Turkoglu wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I'd be very happy with any of Sessions, Andre Miller or Turkoglu.

They all have some great advantages and would provide an element the team is lacking.

I just hope we get somebody! And I don't mean a "quality" SF to be named later that ends up being James Jones.

My fear is we end up with nothing and just stand pat this offseason as we did at the trading deadline when we held an asset with more value than Amare Stoudemire.

I don't think the Bulls are going to re-sign Linton Johnson III, you can have him

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I would much prefer Sessions, if I had my preference, but Turkoglu wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

Same. Sessions is my main hope, but Turkoglu would be an interesting talent and he's got skills the team needs.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Great point we need to focus on using cap space to get a backup PF before we worry about a starting SF.

We need a point guard way more than we need a small forward. And IMO backup power forward needs to be upgraded way more than small forward. Batum is our small forward. He's only gonna be better next year and he will continue to get better. I am not saying I wouldn't like Turkoglu but we should only target him if we cant get Sessions.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I'm NOT on the Turkoglu bandwagon. Yes, he's nice in many ways. But, this team already has an incredibly efficient offense. My feeling is that we need better perimeter defense. So, vote for Gerald Wallace! (Yes, I know he's not a free agent).

Trade for Wallace
Sign Sessions
Live Large for Many Years.

 

[Wheels]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Trade for Wallace
Sign Sessions
Live Large for Many Years.

I'm sorry I like both those players but IMO we cant have both in our starting lineup. Too many players to leave open. We need more shooting than that. But like I said "IMO"

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Yeah, IMO if we get a PG and a SF one of them needs to be an above average shooter, instead of both of them being below average. Honestly if I had to pick between getting Sessions or Wallace I don't know who I would want.. But probably Sessions because we dont have to trade for him.

 

[RickyRubio]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I would love to get Hedo and I think he is the best option for us. How bad ass would that be?! Tall as heck for a SF\PG - 3 point range, clutch, not a ball hog, veteran, can play 4 if we need, not going to be that expensive, we could get him without giving up anyone (but I think we would need to move Outlaw and Sergio for a backup 4) and boom! We are golden.

Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Hedo\Batum\Webster
LMA\Backup\
Joel\Oden

I'm lovin it.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

He'd be my #1 target. He's a real point forward and would give us a great 3rd wheel in the starting unit.

He's 30/31, by the time he slows down Batum will be more than ready. But right now, Hedo would make us a contender.

The real question is, why would he leave Orlando?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

He'd be my #1 target. He's a real point forward and would give us a great 3rd wheel in the starting unit.

He's 30/31, by the time he slows down Batum will be more than ready. But right now, Hedo would make us a contender.

The real question is, why would he leave Orlando?

The same reason lots of players don't stay in the same place, Orlando can't afford to keep him.

My guess is that he's probably going to command around 10 million/year this off-season and will be something of a hot commodity. Which means the Blazers having a good shot at him hinges on letting a guy like Travis Outlaw walk for nothing in an effort to give yourself enough financial flexibility to make a legitimate push to get him. The other option is to try and work a sign and trade with Orlando, but you have to wonder what they would accept, maybe Outlaw and/or Martell? I wouldn't count on it.

 

[RickyRubio]

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I would love to move Outlaw to get Hedo. I wouldn't think the Magic would want Webster, since he didn't play last year and you don't know what your getting with him.

Maybe they would want Sergio? Get rid of old fatty Anthony Johnson and replace him with Sergio. Let Outlaw fill PT for Hedo and just let Pietrus play more too. It might work out!!! But I am a dreamer.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Good GOD, man. That would be a freak'n HUGE lineup! GO, LMA, HT, BR and NB?

It just might work if Nic can find his jump shot this off season. I think he can, and will.

I would much prefer Sessions, if I had my preference, but Turkoglu wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

I've felt the same way for awhile, but when I think about a starting front line that includes Hedo, LMA and Greg complimented by Brandon and Blake, that's a whole lot of firepower surrounding Greg and two legitimate wings who can create off of the pick and roll as quasi-point fowards. Sessions would be great (I think) but in some ways Turkoglu would be a much bigger matchup problem for opposing defenses.

I think the only way we could get Hedo would be to work a sign and trade using Travis and/or Martell which the Magic might bite on since both seem to fit into Orlando's three point shooting philosophy.

What 10 man rotation looks better?
Sessions/Blake
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Webster
LMA/Travis
Greg/Przybilla

or
Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum
LMA/<veteran PF>
Greg/Pryzbilla

I think I lean more towards the latter ... maybe

 

[BasX]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Re: Turkoglu. A while back I responded to MM's suggestion of targeting him thusly:



Having actually watched Turkoglu play for more than just snippets (my lack of doing so before was not an impediment to me forming firm opinions) I need to reassess. He's a lot taller than Mike Miller and less athletic-looking (in fact, he has an unattractive hunch) BUT: he's sneaky-good. He reminds me of the older Toni Kukoc. You don't think he should be able to penetrate, but somehow he manages it with fakes and long strides. And while I stand by my assessment that he's really helped by the Magic's system, you can't argue with the numbers of assists he's getting and his general clutchness. And he is playing like a guard - a 6'10" guard. I would be in favor of getting him PROVIDED we got rid of Blake. Having Turkoglu as an extra passer would enable us to play Bayless or Rudy in the backcourt with Roy. Turkoglu could also play some backup 4, meaning that we'd have minutes at the three for Batum & co. He would be an interesting alternative to signing a veteran point, and he might enable us to play Rudy for a lot more mpg.

I'd worry about his D, but the Magic have amazing D, and I don't think it's all on Dwight Howard.

(Oh, I guess if Mediocre Man is reading, I should apologize for my earlier snark.)

Poor Andrea, Sam Mitchell almost destroyed him, thank god for Jay Triano.

 

[RickyRubio]

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I've felt the same way for awhile, but when I think about a starting front line that includes Hedo, LMA and Greg complimented by Brandon and Blake, that's a whole lot of firepower surrounding Greg and two legitimate wings who can create off of the pick and roll as quasi-point fowards. Sessions would be great (I think) but in some ways Turkoglu would be a much bigger matchup problem for opposing defenses.

I think the only way we could get Hedo would be to work a sign and trade using Travis and/or Martell which the Magic might bite on since both seem to fit into Orlando's three point shooting philosophy.

What 10 man rotation looks better?
Sessions/Blake
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Webster
LMA/Travis
Greg/Przybilla

or
Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum
LMA/<veteran PF>
Greg/Pryzbilla

I think I lean more towards the latter ... maybe

The latter!!! With Blair in there

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I think with the Blazers young assets, they could get both Turkoglu and an upgrade at PG. Don't forget that Steve Blake played his best season by far, but still was in the bottom tier of PG's this season. I am not saying this is the plan I would do, but if the Blazers renounced Frye and Blake they would have around 12 million in cap space.

They could sign Hedo for our cap room. I have no idea what he is looking for, but I assume it's not going to be over 12 million in this NBA economy.

Then take Outlaw, Sergio and Webster along with out pick and trade them to a team for a player like Hinrich, Nash, or a sign and trade to Dallas for Kidd.

Send #32 and 3 million to NO for #21 and select Dejuan Blair

Bring over Kponen and Freeland

Leaves us a roster of

Kidd or whatever/Bayless/Koponen
Roy/Fernandez
Turkoglu/Batum
Aldridge/Blair/Freeland
Oden/Przybilla

I think that team is a lot better than last years team.

 

[Tortimer]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I think with the Blazers young assets, they could get both Turkoglu and an upgrade at PG. Don't forget that Steve Blake played his best season by far, but still was in the bottom tier of PG's this season. I am not saying this is the plan I would do, but if the Blazers renounced Frye and Blake they would have around 12 million in cap space.

They could sign Hedo for our cap room. I have no idea what he is looking for, but I assume it's not going to be over 12 million in this NBA economy.

Then take Outlaw, Sergio and Webster along with out pick and trade them to a team for a player like Hinrich, Nash, or a sign and trade to Dallas for Kidd.

Send #32 and 3 million to NO for #21 and select Dejuan Blair

Bring over Kponen and Freeland

Leaves us a roster of

Kidd or whatever/Bayless/Koponen
Roy/Fernandez
Turkoglu/Batum
Aldridge/Blair/Freeland
Oden/Przybilla

I think that team is a lot better than last years team.

I many times disagree with you but this sounds like a good plan. I doubt the Blazers/KP does this but it is a good plan and I agree we would have a better roster then last year.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

If we get Turk, we don't need a new point guard..we could still sign and trade for one after using cap space on Hedo.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

There is also a rumor making the rounds that Varejao will opt out of his contract and test the market. That's good, in the sense that the more FAs there are on the market, the lower the price tends to be.

In the abstract, I like Varejao...kid plays like he has a chip on his shoulder, and teams need some of that. I don't really see him as a good fit for the Blazers though.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I think with the Blazers young assets, they could get both Turkoglu and an upgrade at PG. Don't forget that Steve Blake played his best season by far, but still was in the bottom tier of PG's this season. I am not saying this is the plan I would do, but if the Blazers renounced Frye and Blake they would have around 12 million in cap space.

They could sign Hedo for our cap room. I have no idea what he is looking for, but I assume it's not going to be over 12 million in this NBA economy.

Then take Outlaw, Sergio and Webster along with out pick and trade them to a team for a player like Hinrich, Nash, or a sign and trade to Dallas for Kidd.

Send #32 and 3 million to NO for #21 and select Dejuan Blair

Bring over Kponen and Freeland

Leaves us a roster of

Kidd or whatever/Bayless/Koponen
Roy/Fernandez
Turkoglu/Batum
Aldridge/Blair/Freeland
Oden/Przybilla

I think that team is a lot better than last years team.

Kidd and Turkoglu would make the Blazers into title contenders.

Btw, Blair is a lock to go in the lotto, possibly top-10.

 

[Wheels]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

There is also a rumor making the rounds that Varejao will opt out of his contract and test the market. That's good, in the sense that the more FAs there are on the market, the lower the price tends to be.

In the abstract, I like Varejao...kid plays like he has a chip on his shoulder, and teams need some of that. I don't really see him as a good fit for the Blazers though.

as a backup PF he would be good.. but Backup PF is less of a worry to me than PG or SF.. but I agree with the earlier statement that HEdo would lessen our need for a PG

 

[RickyRubio]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I kind of like that idea MM. Not bad at all.

 

[BasX]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

Kidd and Turkoglu would make the Blazers into title contenders.

Btw, Blair is a lock to go in the lotto, possibly top-10.

Agreed, but just outside, New Jersey or Indiana could take him.

 

[graybeard]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I've felt the same way for awhile, but when I think about a starting front line that includes Hedo, LMA and Greg complimented by Brandon and Blake, that's a whole lot of firepower surrounding Greg and two legitimate wings who can create off of the pick and roll as quasi-point fowards. Sessions would be great (I think) but in some ways Turkoglu would be a much bigger matchup problem for opposing defenses.

I think the only way we could get Hedo would be to work a sign and trade using Travis and/or Martell which the Magic might bite on since both seem to fit into Orlando's three point shooting philosophy.

What 10 man rotation looks better?
Sessions/Blake
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Webster
LMA/Travis
Greg/Przybilla

or
Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Hedo/Batum
LMA/<veteran PF>
Greg/Pryzbilla

I think I lean more towards the latter ... maybe

I disagree about the sign and trade. If Orlando had the money to pay for Travis or Martell, they would use it on Hedo.

I like the idea of signing Hedo to free agent money.... and then trade for our starting point guard. If we sign Hedo it would free up any combination of Joel, Travis, Martel, Batum,Rudy, Bayless, Blake or Sergio for trade to acquire a point guard.(Tony Parker)

San Antonio is a very old team that needs an influx of young talent. We can rebuild their team if they trade us Tony Parker. Your thoughts?

 

[LittleAlex]

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I disagree about the sign and trade. If Orlando had the money to pay for Travis or Martell, they would use it on Hedo.

I like the idea of signing Hedo to free agent money.... and then trade for our starting point guard. If we sign Hedo it would free up any combination of Joel, Travis, Martel, Batum,Rudy, Bayless, Blake or Sergio for trade to acquire a point guard.(Tony Parker)

San Antonio is a very old team that needs an influx of young talent. We can rebuild their team if they trade us Tony Parker. Your thoughts?

With their other two great players quickly declining, I can't imagine the Spurs would trade Tony Parker. Especially not for any combination of the players on that list.

 

[LittleAlex]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

The same reason lots of players don't stay in the same place, Orlando can't afford to keep him.

My guess is that he's probably going to command around 10 million/year this off-season and will be something of a hot commodity. Which means the Blazers having a good shot at him hinges on letting a guy like Travis Outlaw walk for nothing in an effort to give yourself enough financial flexibility to make a legitimate push to get him. The other option is to try and work a sign and trade with Orlando, but you have to wonder what they would accept, maybe Outlaw and/or Martell? I wouldn't count on it.

Though others may disagree, I am of the opinion that there is zero chance KP lets Outlaw or Blake walk. Even if Portland does, the probably don't have enough money available to bring Hedo here. Not after he was a major factor in a team making the Finals.

 

[RickyRubio]

Re: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

I disagree about the sign and trade. If Orlando had the money to pay for Travis or Martell, they would use it on Hedo.

I like the idea of signing Hedo to free agent money.... and then trade for our starting point guard. If we sign Hedo it would free up any combination of Joel, Travis, Martel, Batum,Rudy, Bayless, Blake or Sergio for trade to acquire a point guard.(Tony Parker)

San Antonio is a very old team that needs an influx of young talent. We can rebuild their team if they trade us Tony Parker. Your thoughts?

I love the idea, but I agree with Alex. San Antonio wouldn't trade Parker for any combo of the above listed.