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I thought this deserved it's own thread.

So, if I understand correctly, Gomes contract is only partially guaranteed. But, for the savings to be had, he will need to be waived by June 30th. If this is the case, and the Blazers are going to trade him to a team looking for a few more mil of cap space, it will have to happen in the next couple days. For example, as mentioned in another thread, trading Gomes for Beasley could work out well for both teams.

I am not sure I have the dates right and i have no idea how much is/isn't guaranteed. So if someone knows the specifics, I would love to know. Also, who else might we be able to get for Gomes from other teams looking for that last few bucks in the superstar sweepstakes?
 
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That trade would be amazing, besides Beasley's questionable character, and legal issues.
 
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I wouldn't mind trading Gome for Beasley... Then flipping Beasley in a deal with some others for Parker of the Spurs if they would bite. Talk to them first about it, if they aren't crazy about it, then we will probably just release him.
 
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Gomes is wearing another teams jersey come the beginning of next season
 
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I hope we keep Gomes. I've been a fan of his game, and I think he's just a solid role player who doesn't make too many mistakes. He works hard, can shoot the perimeter shot and plays much bigger than his listed height at 6-7. He'd be a great combo forward off the bench behind LMA and Nicolas.
 
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My wishful thinking has me believing that Gomes (Expiring contracts of Joel and Andre) will be added as another trading piece for CP3.
 
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If we can't trade him for something big, I hope we keep him. I have always been a fan of his game.
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
If we can't trade him for something big, I hope we keep him. I have always been a fan of his game.
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Agreed. I too have been a fan (had him on my fantasy team last year for about half the year)
 
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Hasn't Gomes always been a Blazer killer?
 
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I wouldn't trade him for Beasley. I doubt the Blazers can find a trade for him in the next week, especially without a GM; so they will probably keep him and that's OK with me.
 
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alex42083 said:
I hope we keep Gomes. I've been a fan of his game, and I think he's just a solid role player who doesn't make too many mistakes. He works hard, can shoot the perimeter shot and plays much bigger than his listed height at 6-7. He'd be a great combo forward off the bench behind LMA and Nicolas.
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Didn't you just describe Dante Cunningham?
 
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From ESPN Insider:

During Thursday night's draft, the Timberwolves drafted Luke Babbitt with the No. 16 pick.
But they traded Babbitt along with Ryan Gomes to the Blazers for Martell Webster.
And as Joe Freeman of the Oregonian writes, there's a chance Gomes might never suit up for the Blazers.
"[Gomes'] contract, which runs through the 2012-2013 season, features a team option that must be exercised by June 30 and would guarantee the final two years at more than $4 million per season," he writes. "If the Blazers elect not to exercise the option and waive Gomes, they would be on the hook for only $1 million this season and $2 million over the final two years. Potentially, the Blazers could shave salary from their payroll and add salary cap flexibility."
If the Blazers decide to exercise the team option, though, he'll provide some depth and experience at the small and power forward positions.
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Sounds like Gomes won't be here very long then.
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
I wouldn't trade him for Beasley. I doubt the Blazers can find a trade for him in the next week, especially without a GM; so they will probably keep him and that's OK with me.
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Why not? Do you think Gomes is good or Beasley is bad?

For me, it'd be a slam dunk. Send Gomes and cash to Miami for Beasley. Maybe try to get a pick from them, too, but I would take the problem child and run... hoping he gets his head on straight in PDX.

Ed O.
 
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Ed O said:
Why not? Do you think Gomes is good or Beasley is bad?

For me, it'd be a slam dunk. Send Gomes and cash to Miami for Beasley. Maybe try to get a pick from them, too, but I would take the problem child and run... hoping he gets his head on straight in PDX.

Ed O.
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Exactly. At worst it's a dipsy-do layup. Beasley has disappointed in Miami and he might never amount to a damn thing here in Portland, but that's such a low risk gamble, that you'd kick yourself later if it was available and you didn't take the opportunity.
 
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Ed O said:
Why not? Do you think Gomes is good or Beasley is bad?

For me, it'd be a slam dunk. Send Gomes and cash to Miami for Beasley. Maybe try to get a pick from them, too, but I would take the problem child and run... hoping he gets his head on straight in PDX.

Ed O.
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Let me get this straight.

You're worried about a 21 year old rookie based on NBA averages, but you'll take on an alcoholic mental patient no questions asked and "hope it works out?"

Have I got that right?

Not having a go, I just find that funny.
 
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maxiep said:
Didn't you just describe Dante Cunningham?
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He did except Gomes has better range. The flip side is that Gomes is terrible defensively. The best Drtg of Gomes career was 108 in his rookie year. He's gone 112, 113, and 113 the last three years. Dante was 104 last year. Also, per/36, Dante is a MUCH better rebounder than Gomes.

I don't see Gomes here past next Wednesday. Both Dante and Babbit fill larger needs than Gomes does.
 
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According to Storyteller, We're 55k over the cap.

So the scenario I'm kind of hoping for is that we trade Gomes straight-up for Beasley (using the 125%+100k TPE Rule) and MIA cuts Gomes, and has a 1M cap hit for July 8 instead of Beasley's 4.92M. But they still have Jones' partial guarantee of 1.86M July 8 also, even if they cut him, bringing their cap hit of cut players to 2.86M.

So MIA's gotta be thinking "we have 56.1 in cap space to spend, 90% of that (50.49M) on their three FA's. 2.86M goes to Guarantees, and we need nine mininum level cap hits (473,604), which is 4.262M. Total? 57.61M, 1.51M over what we need" So MIA has to convince one of the "max-ish" guys to take 1.5M less salary next year, or find a way to clear that off the books. Maybe they do that...maybe they can get Wade and Amare and ask Johnson to take 1.5M less. :dunno: But with Beasley there'll be no way to get 3 "max-ish" guys.

I did my first twitter ever to ricbucher yesterday, saying that we could flip Gomes for Beasley and he said
nah. they'd be better just moving beasley for nothing to was or sac. mia gets gomes and they have to pay him a mil to go away.
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I don't know that that's ABSOLUTELY true, but that's his opinion. And he's more in the know that I if SAC or WAS are on board with that. I think MIA would do it in a heartbeat if SAC or WAS weren't on the table.

I'll say this...while not ecstatic about Beasley, if the trade goes from what it is now to being Webster for Babbitt, Beasley and two first-round picks (the going rate for giving someone a level-changing set of financial considerations) it's a lot better in my book.
 
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Might need Beasley because the bench scoring is all on Bayless right now.
 
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Ed O said:
Why not? Do you think Gomes is good or Beasley is bad?

For me, it'd be a slam dunk. Send Gomes and cash to Miami for Beasley. Maybe try to get a pick from them, too, but I would take the problem child and run... hoping he gets his head on straight in PDX.

Ed O.
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I think Gomes is a top rate bench player and I don't have much interest in high draft picks who fail big; they never seem to pan out no matter how many chances you give them, e.g. Kwame Brown, Darko milicic.
 
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Other than 3pt shooting, what are you seeing about Gomes that suggests he's even close to carrying Beasley's jock on the court? I mean, is this the difference b/w a "top rate" bench player and a "fail big" player?

PER of 12.1 means "below average bench player", and a DRtg of 113 suggests he's not Bruce Bowen saving his energy for the D end.
Versus a PER of 17.1 and a DRtg of 103 for a starting SF/swing PF. Among many, many other things :dunno:
 
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Ed O said:
Why not? Do you think Gomes is good or Beasley is bad?

For me, it'd be a slam dunk. Send Gomes and cash to Miami for Beasley. Maybe try to get a pick from them, too, but I would take the problem child and run... hoping he gets his head on straight in PDX.
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I agree 100% - This is a no-brainer.

Beasley would be a big-time backup for LMA, and Sarge would be a lot happier if he has someone to yell at (now that Travis Outlaw is no longer around). Win-win.
 
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I have no freaking clue how Gomes is when it comes to defense, but playing for the Minnisota pups I would not read too much into his DRTG. This entire team sucked on defense, and there is no way to tell if it was because of him or despite his best efforts...

His previous stint was in Boston when they had very bad years as well defensively - so again, I can't really tell if it's him or the situation he found himself in.
 
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OddEnormous said:
Sorry, what's the amazing part then? :)
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The most important part: on the court, where he is a good player with tremendous upside. Beasley's had back-to-back seasons of above-average PER in spite of not playing nearly as well as he's capable of.

Ed O.
 
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andalusian said:
I have no freaking clue how Gomes is when it comes to defense, but playing for the Minnisota pups I would not read too much into his DRTG. This entire team sucked on defense, and there is no way to tell if it was because of him or despite his best efforts...

His previous stint was in Boston when they had very bad years as well defensively - so again, I can't really tell if it's him or the situation he found himself in.
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Gomes has had a PER of 12 the past two seasons. I think that at this moment, there is no need for him on the team.
 
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andalusian said:
I have no freaking clue how Gomes is when it comes to defense, but playing for the Minnisota pups I would not read too much into his DRTG. This entire team sucked on defense, and there is no way to tell if it was because of him or despite his best efforts...

His previous stint was in Boston when they had very bad years as well defensively - so again, I can't really tell if it's him or the situation he found himself in.
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Decent point, and I'd agree with you if it was in the middle of the range of a team full of high Drtgs. But if Jefferson and Love can manage 107's and 109's, what's Gomes doing at 113? Team Drtg was 111. Only Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington had worse ones, though there were a lot of bad ones.
 
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OddEnormous said:
Let me get this straight.

You're worried about a 21 year old rookie based on NBA averages, but you'll take on an alcoholic mental patient no questions asked and "hope it works out?"

Have I got that right?

Not having a go, I just find that funny.
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It's not very complicated.

Babbitt is only five months younger than Beasley, who has a couple of NBA seasons under his belt. If you don't see a 21 year-old rookie as having a lower ceiling than he would if he were 19... I don't know what to tell you.

Further, Babbitt cost us a rotation player, while the Beasley trade would cost us nothing (since I doubt Gomes plays for Portland).

Finally, I like the Babbitt trade overall, but I see his relatively advanced age as a black mark against his upside the same way I see a player's height or wingspan deficiencies as a negative. Obviously some older prospects pan out, just like some shorter ones do, but it's less likely.

Ed O.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
Decent point, and I'd agree with you if it was in the middle of the range of a team full of high Drtgs. But if Jefferson and Love can manage 107's and 109's, what's Gomes doing at 113? Team Drtg was 111. Only Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington had worse ones, though there were a lot of bad ones.
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There was no reason to trade Martell if we planned on keeping Gomes. The Blazers obviously thought that Babbitt was a better SF option off of the bench than Webs. Gomes is an afterthought. I'm guessing the Blazers liked his contract for either cost savings or as a part of a trade.
 
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