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jonnyboy said:
Screw renting a player for a year, especially a Laker fanboy. Fuckin barf. Better off rolling the dice with our picks and/or maybe gaining some trade value thru them, and making some other deal. Short-sighted, overpriced instant gratification move imo. New gameplan, fuck PG.
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Lillard said if we don't want him he'd sign with LA. Fuck him now? :dunno:
 
riverman said:
I'd trade all 3 picks for Paul George, then trade him instantly to the Knicks for Porzingas...let them deal with Los Angeles....if he's a Kobe fan he's probably a Phil Jackson fan
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If the Knicks were interested in trading Porzingis for George, they'd deal with Indiana directly. Porzingis is a far better return for Indiana than Portland's draft picks. But there's no way the Knicks would do that--without Porzingis, New York offers nothing to George. They'd lose him after a year for certain.
 
I think I would still do it.

Watch the Lakers suck balls again this year. Unless he has an arrangement with someone like RW to go there together, I just really don't see someone wanting to go play for a lottery team.

If he came here and we were top 4 in the west and contending, AND we had his bird rights, I think we could get him to stay.
 
Minstrel said:
If the Knicks were interested in trading Porzingis for George, they'd deal with Indiana directly. Porzingis is a far better return for Indiana than Portland's draft picks. But there's no way the Knicks would do that--without Porzingis, New York offers nothing to George. They'd lose him after a year for certain.
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I forgot the green font thing.....its the Knicks....famous for bringing in vets and still losing
 
Woj:

Who will be traded this week?

Chances of George have obviously increased. He & his agent told the Pacers Saturday not only are they opting out, they aren't returning. Their preference & likelihood is the Lakers. By telling them now, their best chance to get value is through this draft. Everyone in the league sees George as a rental. You'll have him for one season. How much will you give up? Teams I talked to who might have interest are not ready to offer a great deal. Lakers have to get involved here & do a deal themselves. What if Boston does a deal & he has a great season? All the sudden, Lakers never get a crack. Lakers have to on some level get aggressive to see if there is a deal. I don't know if there's a great appetite to give George what he wants and send him to the Lakers.

Cavs game plan?

They'd like Paul George. He's a prototype on both ends of the floor if trying to compete with Golden State. I don't know what the package is. They have talked. For Cleveland, the assets, if you're Indiana, you're going younger & getting draft picks. Cleveland doesn't have picks to give. Cleveland knows George has no interest in playing for them & no interest staying long term. He doesn't see Cleveland in his future. Cleveland is in a tough spot. David Griffin's deal expires end of the month.​
 
Minstrel said:
If the Knicks were interested in trading Porzingis for George, they'd deal with Indiana directly. Porzingis is a far better return for Indiana than Portland's draft picks. But there's no way the Knicks would do that--without Porzingis, New York offers nothing to George. They'd lose him after a year for certain.
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For a serious analysis here.....the Clippers could swap Griffin for him and he'd still be in LA
 
Here's an interesting scenario.

If it would cost the same to get either (let's say Crabbe + 20+ 26), would you want:

A. Paul George (without a guarantee that he will stay past 2018)
or
B. Kevin Love (on contract until 2020)
 
yuyuza1 said:
Here's an interesting scenario.

If it would cost the same to get either (let's say Crabbe + 20+ 26), would you want:

A. Paul George (without a guarantee that he will stay past 2018)
or
B. Kevin Love (on contract until 2020)
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A. Even in the best of times, you have to shoot the moon to find yourself with a title shot. In the shadow of the Warriors' dread empire, that goes double. Love is safer, George is higher variance.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Here's an interesting scenario.

If it would cost the same to get either (let's say Crabbe + 20+ 26), would you want:

A. Paul George (without a guarantee that he will stay past 2018)
or
B. Kevin Love (on contract until 2020)
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I would take George. I would roll the dice. Losing Crabbe and some late first rounders isn't a big loss in my mind. Let George get a year in our culture and see if he's really willing to turn down a max contract.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Here is more from Wojnarowski, considered by most to be the guy with the most inside NBA knowledge:
Paul George wants to be Mr. L.A.
Paul George grew up in Northern Los Angeles watching Kobe Bryant and the Lakers (as well as the Clippers). There have been rumors for years that his one goal as a player is to go play in L.A. someday. Considering the Pacers' current situation and lack of direction there isn't really a better time for George to pull the plug and say it's time to do what he's always wanted to do -- go play for Los Angeles.

The signs have been there for a long time with George growing up idolizing Bryant as a player. He entered the NBA wearing number 24. One of the first coaches he ever worked with, Brian Shaw, used to tell him stories about Bryant. This is George's chance to be the next Kobe on a Lakers team that currently has a lot of young assets, but no stars. He can be the big man in Los Angeles like he's always wanted to be.
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That's all fine and dandy if all he cares about is playing for his home-town team. But I suspect he'll be in for a rude awakening if he cares about winning at all. He's played his entire career in the Eastern Conference, and couldn't build much of a winner in that wasteland. While the Western Conference has slipped a bit, it's still going to be A LOT harder for him to find success out here if he joins a team that currently sucks. So, I wonder what his definition of "being the man" entails. Because he could very well be "the man" for the Lakers in a similar manner to how Cousins was "the man" for the Kings, or maybe even like KG was for the Wolves or Melo for the Nuggets. But he's not gonna be "the man" like Kobe was.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Here's an interesting scenario.

If it would cost the same to get either (let's say Crabbe + 20+ 26), would you want:

A. Paul George (without a guarantee that he will stay past 2018)
or
B. Kevin Love (on contract until 2020)
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A
 
blue9 said:
That's all fine and dandy if all he cares about is playing for his home-town team. But I suspect he'll be in for a rude awakening if he cares about winning at all. He's played his entire career in the Eastern Conference, and couldn't build much of a winner in that wasteland. While the Western Conference has slipped a bit, it's still going to be A LOT harder for him to find success out here if he joins a team that currently sucks. So, I wonder what his definition of "being the man" entails. Because he could very well be "the man" for the Lakers in a similar manner to how Cousins was "the man" for the Kings, or maybe even like KG was for the Wolves or Melo for the Nuggets. But he's not gonna be "the man" like Kobe was.
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And by watching him up close and personal for the last five years I've been in Indy, I can tell he's not really the alpha type. Although his stats and impact are impressive, you never get the impression that he can carry a team (franchise/city) like Dame does. I don't think he can handle the pressure, especially in a mass media market like LA. Which is also why coming to POR next to an instinctive leader like Dame would boost his profile that much more.

He kinda reminds me of Orlando Dwight a bit.
 
yuyuza1 said:
And by watching him up close and personal for the last five years I've been in Indy, I can tell he's not really the alpha type. Although his stats and impact are impressive, you never get the impression that he can carry a team (franchise/city) like Dame does. I don't think he can handle the pressure, especially in a mass media market like LA. Which is also why coming to POR next to an instinctive leader like Dame would boost his profile that much more.

He kinda reminds me of Orlando Dwight a bit.
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I have a some real doubts about Dame/CJ/George being able to coexist. Would CJ really want to be the third banana?
 
riverman said:
With Nurk, CJ is already going to be a 3rd banana
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Sure, but Nurk isn't going to dominate the ball like Paul George would. Right now, Dame and CJ are the primary ball handlers. If you add George, he's a wing player and he's going to need the ball in his hands.

Nurk could very well become a star, but he's a guy that will work in the flow of the offense.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have a some real doubts about Dame/CJ/George being able to coexist. Would CJ really want to be the third banana?
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I think CJ would be more willing to accept that role than George or Butler. Of course nobody wants to be demoted, but in a team game being willing to accept a reduced role for the good of the team is absolutely necessary for success. We saw Klay take a major demotion and it paid off with a championship.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, but Nurk isn't going to dominate the ball like Paul George would. Right now, Dame and CJ are the primary ball handlers. If you add George, he's a wing player and he's going to need the ball in his hands.

Nurk could very well become a star, but he's a guy that will work in the flow of the offense.
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CJ is pretty ball dominate right now....not huge assist numbers...Paul George would just be that with defense
 
blue9 said:
I think CJ would be more willing to accept that role than George or Butler. Of course nobody wants to be demoted, but in a team game being willing to accept a reduced role for the good of the team is absolutely necessary for success. We saw Klay take a major demotion and it paid off with a championship.
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Klay can be a spot up guy though. He can spot up on the three point line and be wide open all day. Can CJ be that guy?
 
riverman said:
CJ is pretty ball dominate right now....not huge assist numbers...Paul George would just be that with defense
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But that's my concern. CJ is a total ball hog. I don't have concerns about Dame getting along with PG. Dame can adapt his game to anyone. He immediately gelled with Nurk. I'm just worried about CJ.
 
I would hope both Dame and CJ would be willing to take a step back for a better team. With the two of them both being ball-dominant before Nurkic, we saw how that worked out.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But that's my concern. CJ is a total ball hog. I don't have concerns about Dame getting along with PG. Dame can adapt his game to anyone. He immediately gelled with Nurk. I'm just worried about CJ.
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I have the unpopular opinion that CJ is best suited as a 6 man....sparkplug off the bench...I'd like more length at the 2 guard with the starting unit....I'd swap CJ for Klay Thompson in a heartbeat but around here, he's considered untouchable
 
blue9 said:
I think CJ would be more willing to accept that role than George or Butler. Of course nobody wants to be demoted, but in a team game being willing to accept a reduced role for the good of the team is absolutely necessary for success. We saw Klay take a major demotion and it paid off with a championship.
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Klay led the Warriors in FGA per game this regular season (18) and still shot 14 times per game this postseason. When you move the ball the way GSW do no one really ends up sacrificing in the end.
 
riverman said:
I have the unpopular opinion that CJ is best suited as a 6 man....sparkplug off the bench...I'd like more length at the 2 guard with the starting unit....I'd swap CJ for Klay Thompson in a heartbeat but around here, he's considered untouchable
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I agree with you. I have never been a fan of the Dame/CJ starting backcourt. I would trade CJ for Klay, but CJ is locked in for four (or is it five?) more years starting next season. Klay will be a free agent. It would be a hard pill to swallow if we traded CJ for Klay and then Klay left.
 
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