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LOL, gutting their roster to trade for a guy who wants to play for a contender. So, who will be the Lakers Big 4 to try to knock off GSW? PG13, Swaggy P, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball? Yeah, that screams 23 wins and a 5th consecutive trip to the lottery. Does PG13 really want to piss away the prime of his career babysitting the Lakers teenagers?

BNM
 
If they are doing all of that to get George and then LeBron next year, George can coattail his way to a title run for a year or two.
 
LOL, gutting their roster to trade for a guy who wants to play for a contender. So, who will be the Lakers Big 4 to try to knock off GSW? PG13, Swaggy P, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball? Yeah, that screams 23 wins and a 5th consecutive trip to the lottery. Does PG13 really want to piss away the prime of his career babysitting the Lakers teenagers?

BNM

+Lebron
 
LOL, gutting their roster to trade for a guy who wants to play for a contender. So, who will be the Lakers Big 4 to try to knock off GSW? PG13, Swaggy P, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball? Yeah, that screams 23 wins and a 5th consecutive trip to the lottery. Does PG13 really want to piss away the prime of his career babysitting the Lakers teenagers?

BNM

Winning is clearly not the #1 priority for him, and that is perfectly fine.
 
So much of the Lakers young talent is SF/PF. Randle and Ingram would have to be traded or take a big back seat to LeBron and George. Given that, the Lakers would most likely try to trade them as well.
 
Lopez lebron and George?

Am I supposed to trembling right now?
That would be better than what we have, so yes.

But, the thought is Ball, ingram, lebron and george, which still, would be better than we have. No lopez in that.
 
Dear Paul George,

I would like to be the first to officially welcome you to Rip City!

I just got caught up on this thread, and I can't believe nobody else has figured this out:

All this Laker talk is a smoke screen; a TOTAL smoke screen. It's actually a fucking genius move by George and his agent.

Like any effective smokescreen, it must be believable. It is. George is from Los Angeles, grew up a fan of Kobe Bryant, and most importantly has previously expressed a desire to play for the Lakers - totally believable.

By announcing he won't re-sign with IND and wants to sign with the Lakers next summer, George and his agent completely torpedoed his trade value by making it look like any other team that trades for Paul George is just getting a 1-year rental. Think about that for a second... Why would a star player like Paul George deliberately decrease his own trade value?

Simple, the one thing Paul George has consistently expressed and THE reason he wants out of IND is he wants to play for a winning team with a chance to contend for an NBA title. Does that sound like the Lakers to you? More on that later...

Typically, when a disgruntled superstar demands a trade, a bidding war ensues. The team that ends up landing the superstar is the one willing to give up the most to get him. As a result, the superstar ends up joining a roster that has been depleted of its most valuable assets - effectively weakening the team he joins. If you really want to play for a winner, forcing them to gut their roster to land you is the last thing you want to do. By announcing he wants to be a Laker next year, Paul George just drastically drove down his own trade value, allowing the team that lands him to do so without gutting their roster.

Paul George is smart enough to know that the Lakers are nowhere near contending for anything other than another trip to the lottery with, or without him. The Lakers now have a high lottery pick for the 4th year in a row. So far, they have been unable to land anyone who looks like a true superstar to pair with Paul George. To compete with the GSWs and CLEs of the world, you need at LEAST a Big 3, and these days with Durant in GSW, and Big 4. If George goes to LAL, he will be a Big 1, pissing away the prime of his career playing with a bunch of kids who aren't ready to compete with the Durants and LeBrons of this world.

George wants to play with a winner and he doesn't want to wait until he's 34 and well past his prime to do so. So, his best move is to join a team with at least two, or three other players in the prime of their careers, and best to join a team that's still on the way up and not one that has already peaked.

Sound familiar? POR already has the highest scoring starting backcourt in the NBA, both of whom are locked up long term and have expressed a desire to stay in POR AND have Paul George join them here. Plus, we also have the 22-year old Bosnian Beast in the middle. Remember, IND was a serious threat to MIA, taking them to 7 games in the WCF when George had Roy Hibbert playing like a beast behind him. He'd have that here in POR in a younger, more motivated, more talented Jusuf Nurkic manning the middle. All of our current Big 3 are George's age, or younger. They are either firmly in their primes (Lillard and McCollum) and not even close to declining, or still on the rise (Nurkic) , contributing now and only going to get better.

With George, our Big 4 would be , on average 3 - 4 years younger than GSW's Big 4. We would continue to rise as they eventually start to decline. Adding George to our roster should immediately catapult us to the 2nd best team in the Western Conference, poised to start challenging and eventually dethroning GSW.

The second reason this smoke screen is genius is that forcing a trade now, and not just waiting to sign with the Lakers next summer, is that it conveys his Bird rights to the team that acquires him via trade. If Paul George REALLY wanted to go to LAL, he'd just bide his time for one more season in IND and then sign with the Lakers as a free agent next summer. They would have the cap space to offer him a max contract and by signing as an unrestricted free agent, the Lakers wouldn't have to give up anything to get him - they would get to keep all their young "talent" and drat picks.

If he rides it out in IND, where he will NOT re-sign, it limits the number of teams he can sign with next summer to those sufficiently below the cap to offer him a max contact. And most of those are losing teams with crap rosters - i.e. teams that are NOT and WILL NOT be contenders until well after the prime of Paul George's career.

But, by forcing a trade now, to a team like POR (for example), that team will have his Bird rights and the ability to offer him a max contract regardless of their cap situation. Ideally, we'd also unload a big contract like Allen Crabbe in acquiring George, but even if IND opted for expiring contracts + draft picks instead, Paul Allen would not hesitate for one second to open his wallet and pay whatever it takes to keep our Big 4 of Dame, PG13, C.J. and Nurk together.

It's been widely speculated that with a combination of 3 first round picks + the contracts to match George's salary (either younger players like Crabbe, or expiring contracts like Aminu + Davis) we can offer IND the best package to help jump start their rebuild - if we are willing. And they only reason we wouldn't be willing is the fear that PG13 would be a 1-year rental.

Poppycock, I say. Paul George WANTS to be in POR where he will be part of the youngest Big 4 in the league that will be ready to contend during his prime and this whole smoke screen was designed to get him here while also preserving our most valuable assets and ability to become a contender.

So, welcome to Portland Paul George. Congrats to you and your agent. Well played gentlemen, well played.

Sincerely,
BNM

How does trading the guy you took with the 2nd pick two years ago for a center that's already past his prime == help?

They are already gutting their roster of young "talent" to get Paul George, which will leave them with nothing left to offer Indy.

This move is not about getting George help, it's a salary dump of Mozgov's contract - and they had to give away a former No. 2 pick to do it. Lopez is an expiring contract who they will let walk to offer PG13 and somebody else big free agent deals next summer.

If anything, this says the Lakers are not trading for Paul George, they are waiting until they can sign him outright. The time to pounce is now. Get PG13 to POR and let him see what it feels like be part of a Big 4, the youngest Big 4 in the league and all thoughts of being part of the Lakers rebuilding effort will go out the window.

BNM

Great posts! I know you put some thought in the stuff you post, and you've got me sold on the whole thing. Lets just hope things go down like that, and we don't end up on the sideline, like we usually do....
 
Hmm.... if they traded for George, would they have enough cap space to sign LeBron and Russ next summer as well?

If they bring in PG, the cap hold situation would be difficult. But they bought themselves a bunch of cap flexibility with the move. That's what I was getting at, though. They aren't locked into anything after this move. Good move for LA, really.
 
Dear Paul George,

I would like to be the first to officially welcome you to Rip City!

I just got caught up on this thread, and I can't believe nobody else has figured this out:

All this Laker talk is a smoke screen; a TOTAL smoke screen. It's actually a fucking genius move by George and his agent.

Like any effective smokescreen, it must be believable. It is. George is from Los Angeles, grew up a fan of Kobe Bryant, and most importantly has previously expressed a desire to play for the Lakers - totally believable.

By announcing he won't re-sign with IND and wants to sign with the Lakers next summer, George and his agent completely torpedoed his trade value by making it look like any other team that trades for Paul George is just getting a 1-year rental. Think about that for a second... Why would a star player like Paul George deliberately decrease his own trade value?

Simple, the one thing Paul George has consistently expressed and THE reason he wants out of IND is he wants to play for a winning team with a chance to contend for an NBA title. Does that sound like the Lakers to you? More on that later...

Typically, when a disgruntled superstar demands a trade, a bidding war ensues. The team that ends up landing the superstar is the one willing to give up the most to get him. As a result, the superstar ends up joining a roster that has been depleted of its most valuable assets - effectively weakening the team he joins. If you really want to play for a winner, forcing them to gut their roster to land you is the last thing you want to do. By announcing he wants to be a Laker next year, Paul George just drastically drove down his own trade value, allowing the team that lands him to do so without gutting their roster.

Paul George is smart enough to know that the Lakers are nowhere near contending for anything other than another trip to the lottery with, or without him. The Lakers now have a high lottery pick for the 4th year in a row. So far, they have been unable to land anyone who looks like a true superstar to pair with Paul George. To compete with the GSWs and CLEs of the world, you need at LEAST a Big 3, and these days with Durant in GSW, and Big 4. If George goes to LAL, he will be a Big 1, pissing away the prime of his career playing with a bunch of kids who aren't ready to compete with the Durants and LeBrons of this world.

George wants to play with a winner and he doesn't want to wait until he's 34 and well past his prime to do so. So, his best move is to join a team with at least two, or three other players in the prime of their careers, and best to join a team that's still on the way up and not one that has already peaked.

Sound familiar? POR already has the highest scoring starting backcourt in the NBA, both of whom are locked up long term and have expressed a desire to stay in POR AND have Paul George join them here. Plus, we also have the 22-year old Bosnian Beast in the middle. Remember, IND was a serious threat to MIA, taking them to 7 games in the WCF when George had Roy Hibbert playing like a beast behind him. He'd have that here in POR in a younger, more motivated, more talented Jusuf Nurkic manning the middle. All of our current Big 3 are George's age, or younger. They are either firmly in their primes (Lillard and McCollum) and not even close to declining, or still on the rise (Nurkic) , contributing now and only going to get better.

With George, our Big 4 would be , on average 3 - 4 years younger than GSW's Big 4. We would continue to rise as they eventually start to decline. Adding George to our roster should immediately catapult us to the 2nd best team in the Western Conference, poised to start challenging and eventually dethroning GSW.

The second reason this smoke screen is genius is that forcing a trade now, and not just waiting to sign with the Lakers next summer, is that it conveys his Bird rights to the team that acquires him via trade. If Paul George REALLY wanted to go to LAL, he'd just bide his time for one more season in IND and then sign with the Lakers as a free agent next summer. They would have the cap space to offer him a max contract and by signing as an unrestricted free agent, the Lakers wouldn't have to give up anything to get him - they would get to keep all their young "talent" and drat picks.

If he rides it out in IND, where he will NOT re-sign, it limits the number of teams he can sign with next summer to those sufficiently below the cap to offer him a max contact. And most of those are losing teams with crap rosters - i.e. teams that are NOT and WILL NOT be contenders until well after the prime of Paul George's career.

But, by forcing a trade now, to a team like POR (for example), that team will have his Bird rights and the ability to offer him a max contract regardless of their cap situation. Ideally, we'd also unload a big contract like Allen Crabbe in acquiring George, but even if IND opted for expiring contracts + draft picks instead, Paul Allen would not hesitate for one second to open his wallet and pay whatever it takes to keep our Big 4 of Dame, PG13, C.J. and Nurk together.

It's been widely speculated that with a combination of 3 first round picks + the contracts to match George's salary (either younger players like Crabbe, or expiring contracts like Aminu + Davis) we can offer IND the best package to help jump start their rebuild - if we are willing. And they only reason we wouldn't be willing is the fear that PG13 would be a 1-year rental.

Poppycock, I say. Paul George WANTS to be in POR where he will be part of the youngest Big 4 in the league that will be ready to contend during his prime and this whole smoke screen was designed to get him here while also preserving our most valuable assets and ability to become a contender.

So, welcome to Portland Paul George. Congrats to you and your agent. Well played gentlemen, well played.

Sincerely,
BNM
As funny as that sounds, it's a master plan. LOL
 
I have to admit when I go to sleep tonight.... I will have Visions Of Paul George dancing in my head.

(Wow. That sounds rather dirty.)
 
I don't know, BNM, I was really hopeful for PG at one time and thought it possible. And you make some good logical arguments why he should pick Portland. But do we know if he is a sensible logical-thinking guy? Do we even know if winning is the most important thing for him? I don't know him well enough to answer those questions. I am going to have to assume that Wojnarowski knows better than us. I think this is over. KP will take the LA offer because there won't be any better ones.
 
I don't know, BNM, I was really hopeful for PG at one time and thought it possible. And you make some good logical arguments why he should pick Portland. But do we know if he is a sensible logical-thinking guy? Do we even know if winning is the most important thing for him? I don't know him well enough to answer those questions. I am going to have to assume that Wojnarowski knows better than us. I think this is over. KP will take the LA offer because there won't be any better ones.

I tend to agree. Woj and others are painting a dark picture with "back channel" suggestions about him truly saying he wants to go home to LA. Even if someone is able to sway him to re-sign I am not convinced it would be the City of Portland.

On the flip side there seems to be more concern here in LA of PG being a poor teammate. I am taking that as a silver lining for the Blazers not getting him.
 
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I think George wants to team up with lebron in LA. Honestly if I'm Cleveland I'm trading lebron. Imagine the return they could get for him. Better than being held hostage for a year.
 
I think George wants to team up with lebron in LA. Honestly if I'm Cleveland I'm trading lebron. Imagine the return they could get for him. Better than being held hostage for a year.
Lebron's got a no trade clause
 
You are probably correct. BUT

Look at it from PG’s and his agent’s point of view. What did they have to lose by killing PG trade value, and forcing a trade?

Nothing, actually a case can be made that they improved PGs chances of going to a wining team.

If the Fakers paid full value for PG, they would be much weaker after giving up so many assets.
Exactly. Any team PG goes to that pays full PG value, won't be worth a damn once he gets there. Indications are he's willing to go to a crappy Lakers team, probably to build his own super team in the next couple of years because, you know, Lakers. But no way he wants to be traded to some gutted team somewhere else. So by driving his own trade value down, whatever team he goes to will have a better roster than if he hadn't tanked his value. Excellent strategy of looking out for number one.
 
Yeah I know. I was thinking lebron would waive it so Cleveland wasn't left empty handed again.

He hates Dan Gilbert. Lebron's main focus was getting a chip for his hometown he's not doing it for the Cavs he's doin it for Cleveland and there is a big difference in his mind.
 


Another article with no peep about the Blazers


There is so much contradictory info flying around that it's hard to figure out what's actually true. On one hand, there are reports that most GM's don't think a one year rental is worth it. Another report was that Indy was going to trade him quickly. I think they're trying to get the genie back in the bottle. I think they know his value is shot, and KP is trying to squeeze every ounce out of the trade that he can muster.
 

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