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If he remains 8th-9th man no this contract is not good even nowadays, it's really bad. 10M is 10% of the cap. When your best player receives 25% of the cap and your 2nd best player normally receives 20% of the cap then your 8th-9th man shouldn't take 10%. So the rest take what? 45% for 12 players? And how much do the 3rd-7th man should make then?

I don't know why many people think like that, doesn't make sense for me, the cap didn't go to 200M. 10M should be the salary of a vital role player (let's say Aminu last year), not 8th-9th man like Meyers was last year. If he doesn't improve this is a terrible contract and it should be traded.
 
If he remains 8th-9th man no this contract is not good even nowadays, it's really bad. 10M is 10% of the cap. When your best player receives 25% of the cap and your 2nd best player normally receives 20% of the cap then your 8th-9th man shouldn't take 10%. So the rest take what? 45% for 12 players? And how much do the 3rd-7th man should make then?

I don't know why many people think like that, doesn't make sense for me, the cap didn't go to 200M. 10M should be the salary of a vital role player (let's say Aminu last year), not 8th-9th man like Meyers was last year. If he doesn't improve this is a terrible contract and it should be traded.

That's not how it works. You will always have some players on cheap rookie contracts and some on vet minimum deals. Neil got some bargains with Aminu, Davis and Plumlee last year under different market conditions. I said it in this very thread, over three months ago, that under the new salary cap, 8th and 9th men making $10 million per year will become the new norm. That doesn't mean EVERY player in your top 8 or 9 will make that much, but anyone in that range who is a free agent can expect to be paid that much on the open market.

So, if you think this contract is so horrible, what do you think about matching Crabbe? He's our 6th man and making almost twice as much as Leonard, our 8th/9th man.

BNM
 
Well I have already said that I didn't like matching Crabbe too :D
 
This is a win win!!! Good contract! I get to keep wearing my Jersey AND MM IS CRYING!!!!!!!:)

Sorry MM, couldnt resist.
 
I love this contract for Meyers simply because of what Meyers brings to the table. If he is healthy and has a nice stretch of games not only showing his health but shoots his normal 3% then he won't be hard to move and will have some actual value. His age/athletism and skill set are great so teams will talk themsevles into being able to "mold him", he won't get us a lottery pick but a 1st from a team that is missing the lottery might not be hard, look at what Channing Frye got dealt for and Meyers is a very similiar player with a lot higher upside.
 
I think it's a relatively reasonable contract to see if he puts it together in the next few years. If by the start of year three he hasn't become a solid part of the rotation, I say move him.
 
I consider them equal

That isn't a percentage or stat, unless you say 50% to 50%
You said you thought there were more people who prefer the Dark side than I might think. I said I still think they are in the minority and to show me stats proving otherwise.
 
That isn't a percentage or stat, unless you say 50% to 50%
You said you thought there were more people who prefer the Dark side than I might think. I said I still think they are in the minority and to show me stats proving otherwise.
I said a large contingent. Then you went on a rant about minorities not being equal
 
... Meyers will become the true unicorn we hoped...
Unleash your inner unicorn!!!
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I never said more people. You did.


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A recap for the short minded....

Man...Just cant get you to turn FROM the dark side, can I?

Meaning, trying to get you to think more positive about Leonard.

There is a large contingent of Star Wars nerds that consider the Dark side good, and the Jedi evil.

I assume youre meaning more than just you are thinking the same thing about Leonard.

Do you have a stats percentage? I'm pretty sure the Dark side is still in the minority.

Im simply asking for numbers. you stated there is a large contingent? How large? I believe its still a minority.

What are you implying

Just what I clarified above.

Only what I stated. That the Dark side is in the minority.

Again, the same thing.

I consider them equal

Equal? So you think as many people who think Leonard will become better than a below average player is the same amount of people who disagree?

That isn't a percentage or stat, unless you say 50% to 50%
You said you thought there were more people who prefer the Dark side than I might think. I said I still think they are in the minority and to show me stats proving otherwise.

Equal is 50/50. So you are saying you think as many people feel he will be better than average as those who believe otherwise?

Fair enough if so, I just don't think it is accurate. again, lets see the polls or something.
 
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A recap for the short minded....



Meaning, trying to get you to think more positive about Leonard.



I assume youre meaning more than just you are thinking the same thing about Leonard.



Im simply asking for numbers. you stated there is a large contingent? How large? I believe its still a minority.



Just what I clarified above.



Again, the same thing.



Equal? So you think as many people who think Leonard will become better than a below average player is the same amount of people who disagree?



Equal is 50/50. So you are saying you think as many people feel he will be better than average as those who believe otherwise?

Fair enough if so, I just don't think it is accurate. again, lets see the polls or something.

You just don't get me
 
I love this contract for Meyers simply because of what Meyers brings to the table. If he is healthy and has a nice stretch of games not only showing his health but shoots his normal 3% then he won't be hard to move and will have some actual value. His age/athletism and skill set are great so teams will talk themsevles into being able to "mold him", he won't get us a lottery pick but a 1st from a team that is missing the lottery might not be hard, look at what Channing Frye got dealt for and Meyers is a very similiar player with a lot higher upside.

Yep... he's still only 24 years old and he has a valuable, important skill (ability to shoot beyond the arc well). If he bulks up (as most 24 year-olds tend to do) and learns the game more (as players in the NBA tend to do) then he can be a solid rotation player, at least.

Remember: this is a guy who shot 1 of 12 from college three pointers in his two years in the NCAAs and 3 for 13 from three point range in his first two NBA seasons. He obviously has been willing to put in the work to improve his perimeter game and while he might plateau there, it seems unlikely. And I think that with this contract the team could survive even if he did just level off for the next four years.
 
Yep... he's still only 24 years old and he has a valuable, important skill (ability to shoot beyond the arc well). If he bulks up (as most 24 year-olds tend to do) and learns the game more (as players in the NBA tend to do) then he can be a solid rotation player, at least.

Remember: this is a guy who shot 1 of 12 from college three pointers in his two years in the NCAAs and 3 for 13 from three point range in his first two NBA seasons. He obviously has been willing to put in the work to improve his perimeter game and while he might plateau there, it seems unlikely. And I think that with this contract the team could survive even if he did just level off for the next four years.

The cap will continue to go up It jumped over $24 million this year and is expected to jump by another $10 - $16 million next year. So, $10 million in the present market won't look like so much four years from now.

That's the weird thing about the current CBA. The cap can go WAY up, but the exceptions don't. They were etched in stone when the last CBA was signed. The MLE used to be used to sign a 4th, or 5th starter, or at worst, a solid 6th man type player. Now, with 8th and 9th men getting $10+ million a year, the exceptions are practically worthless. In the last 6 years, the non-taxpayer MLE has only gone from $5.000 million to $5.628 million. During that same span, the salary cap has gone from $58 million to $94 million. The other exceptions (taxpayer MLE, Room MLE, Bi-annual Exception, etc. have also seen similar minuscule increases.

Hopefully, this will be corrected in the next CBA. When the cap goes up, the exceptions should go up by a comparable percentage to keep them equally relevant.

In any case, while Meyers didn't sign for the MLE, his $10 million per year will eventually be seen in the same light, even less, than what players used to get when they signed for the MLE.

And, as you say, he's still young and has the potential and work habits to continue to improve. I'm not claiming he's underpaid, but this contract is not an albatross. It reflects current market value and as the salary cap continues to increase it will, most likely, be considered below market and a good value moving forward.

BNM
 
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