Meyers Must Go

[Sinobas]

fuck neil olshey for giving him that contract, fuck chris mcgowan for firing mike and mike, and fuck Paul Allen for approving those moves.

 

[Scalma]

I keep thinking that if he put on 20 lbs of muscle and learned how to protect the rim, he'd be absolutely dominate. Not many other 7-1 guys in this league with his kind of frame, besides maybe Jordan and Howard.

But I've resigned myself to the fact that that is just never going to happen. His dribbling is absolutely terrible in the paint, and because of his injuries, he's afraid of playing Defense.

Yeah, I don't understand where the fear of aggressiveness comes from because it wasn't there his rookie season. I remember he was not afraid to throw down, now he barely ever dunks unless it's a lob. Most frustrating Blazer I've ever watched.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I keep thinking that if he put on 20 lbs of muscle and learned how to protect the rim, he'd be absolutely dominate. Not many other 7-1 guys in this league with his kind of frame, besides maybe Jordan and Howard.

But I've resigned myself to the fact that that is just never going to happen. His dribbling is absolutely terrible in the paint, and because of his injuries, he's afraid of playing Defense.

I believe he mentioned something about not wanting to play as a center during a post game interview in his second season.

 

[Jade Falcon]

fuck neil olshey for giving him that contract, fuck chris mcgowan for firing mike and mike, and fuck Paul Allen for approving those moves.

Well, Allen got to see first hand the folly of his decisions last night. He got to see Meyers standing there doing nothing, Stott's inability to lead, and Olshey's contract results.

If only he had people in this organization who could find gold nuggets in mud; like he does with the Seahawks. But noooooo....

I hope this was a wake up call for the richest owner in the league.

 

[tlongII]

It's on the coaching staff for not developing Meyers as a true power forward or center. For some reason they think he is best as a stretch 4. I also don't think it was wise for the staff to fire Kim Hughes for dropping truth bombs.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Yeah, I don't understand where the fear of aggressiveness comes from because it wasn't there his rookie season. I remember he was not afraid to throw down, now he barely ever dunks unless it's a lob. Most frustrating Blazer I've ever watched.

I believe he mentioned something about not wanting to play as a center during a post game interview in his second season.

I believe much of this has to do with his shoulder. Centers need to be able to reach up constantly, and I think he's risking his career if he dislocates that shoulder one more time.

But one thing's for certain....he is NOT a PF. At all.

 

[e_blazer]

fuck neil olshey for giving him that contract, fuck chris mcgowan for firing mike and mike, and fuck Paul Allen for approving those moves.

I'm with you on the second part of your sentence, but the contract for Leonard was a smart play, IMO. Despite his shortcomings, Leonard is a healthy young big with some talents and upside on a reasonable contract. He's a trade chip at this point. I'd much rather have his contract value than have passed on re-signing him. If Olshey had just let him walk, the Blazers would still be over the cap and wouldn't be able to sign another player. As it is, they have a $10.2 million dollar per year asset that can be included in a trade. Sure, you're probably not going to get much for him in a single player move, but in combination with other players, Olshey has more money to work with than he would have otherwise.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I'm with you on the second part of your sentence, but the contract for Leonard was a smart play, IMO. Despite his shortcomings, Leonard is a healthy young big with some talents and upside on a reasonable contract. He's a trade chip at this point. I'd much rather have his contract value than have passed on re-signing him. If Olshey had just let him walk, the Blazers would still be over the cap and wouldn't be able to sign another player. As it is, they have a $12 million dollar per year asset that can be included in a trade. Sure, you're probably not going to get much for him in a single player move, but in combination with other players, Olshey has more money to work with than he would have otherwise.

With respect, I disagree. I think a better alternative would have been to let him walk in FA, and save that money for someone else; a NEED position. Because we could sure as hell use that money to sweeten a trade right now.

 

[e_blazer]

With respect, I disagree. I think a better alternative would have been to let him walk in FA, and save that money for someone else; a NEED position. Because we could sure as hell use that money to sweeten a trade right now.

But that's the part you're not seeing. The Blazers were already over the cap when they re-signed Meyers. They were only able to preserve the ability to use that extra money between the cap and the luxury tax threshold by using their Bird rights on Meyers. Otherwise, if they let him walk, they just lost an asset and have no way to use the money on another player.

 

[Jade Falcon]

But that's the part you're not seeing. The Blazers were already over the cap when they re-signed Meyers. They were only able to preserve the ability to use that extra money between the cap and the luxury tax threshold by using their Bird rights on Meyers. Otherwise, if they let him walk, they just lost an asset and have no way to use the money on another player.

Huh. Alright. I don't follow the money cap tax hocus-pocus, so there you go.

 

[Blazinaway]

But that's the part you're not seeing. The Blazers were already over the cap when they re-signed Meyers. They were only able to preserve the ability to use that extra money between the cap and the luxury tax threshold by using their Bird rights on Meyers. Otherwise, if they let him walk, they just lost an asset and have no way to use the money on another player.

Prob is Meyers is Meyers is an asset but he is a NEGATIVE asset given his horrible play and 40 mil 4 yr contract. We would have been better off letting him walk

 

[e_blazer]

Prob is Meyers is Meyers is an asset but he is a NEGATIVE asset given his horrible play and 40 mil 4 yr contract. We would have been better off letting him walk

That may be your opinion of him because of his play of late, but a 7-footer who has any talent at all on a $10 mil per year contract is a rarity in the NBA. There are a lot of teams that would take him in a trade.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You guys are fucking idiots. Biebs is a fantastic low post defender who gives the Gasols and Cousins' of the world a tough time.

Last night he held Boogie to 55. Don't you guys feel stupid, now?

 

[e_blazer]

You guys are fucking idiots. Biebs is a fantastic low post defender who gives the Gasols and Cousins' of the world a tough time.

Last night he held Boogie to 55. Don't you guys feel stupid, now?

Leonard played 19 minutes because of foul trouble. Boogie played 41. I think a few of those points may have been scored against other players.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Leonard played 19 minutes because of foul trouble. Boogie played 41. I think a few of those points may have been scored against other players.

Take a minute and reread what you wrote. Does it really matter? Boogie scored those "extra" points precisely because Biebs was in foul trouble. Feel free to post the box score stats

 

[e_blazer]

Take a minute and reread what you wrote. Does it really matter? Boogie scored those "extra" points precisely because Biebs was in foul trouble. Feel free to post the box score stats

The way Boogie was playing, I don't know if there's a player in the league that could have shut him down. I'm not going to try to make a case that Meyers can guard Cousins when he's playing at the top of his game, but he has had some success against him when Cousins is playing his regular game...and Meyers does seem to get into Boogie's head, which should have resulted in him being ejected last night if the refs had any balls.

 

[selloutking]

The way Boogie was playing, I don't know if there's a player in the league that could have shut him down. I'm not going to try to make a case that Meyers can guard Cousins when he's playing at the top of his game, but he has had some success against him when Cousins is playing his regular game...and Meyers does seem to get into Boogie's head, which should have resulted in him being ejected last night if the refs had any balls.

DMC against the blazers
55/13
33/9
30/9
DNP
17/5
36/6

yea....Meyers

 

[blue9]

Prob is Meyers is Meyers is an asset but he is a NEGATIVE asset given his horrible play and 40 mil 4 yr contract. We would have been better off letting him walk

Even IF he were a negative asset (he's not), we wouldn't be in a better position without him. If we hadn't signed him we wouldn't be able to sign someone else. In the worst case scenario we can just DNP-CD him from here to the end of his contract and he'd be a net-neutral. But at $10M per year, he has value - we can trade him to a team that has their own version of a Meyers (Monroe?*), and hope that the swap makes us better. Barring that, in Year 3 he becomes an expiring contract which - despite RLEC - can have value around the league.

So no, Meyers is not a negative asset no matter how much you hate the guy.

*I'm not advocating this, just using it as an example.

 

[BlayZa]

he's fuckin garbage.

that position was one where we really needed some D, we must have know Festus was hit or miss on ever playing for us, and we dumped all our other cash into 2 people playing the same position and a 7-1 sg who played himself out of relevance in world record time and sucks mega balls on D.

we did this to ourselves with these signings.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Here's video of Meyers playing defense against Cousins.

 

[Five Second Violation]

That may be your opinion of him because of his play of late, but a 7-footer who has any talent at all on a $10 mil per year contract is a rarity in the NBA. There are a lot of teams that would take him in a trade.

Going to have to disagree there. At this point we'd be selling ultra-low on him. I think the years remaining on his contract combined with his regression, yes regression, this season following his shoulder issues last year would scare off any potentially interested parties. Leonard is going to have to prove that he still has an NBA level skillset because right now it's not apparent. He's an overseas level guy right now with confidence issues and a moderately expensive contract.

Hindsight being what it is, the time to trade Leonard was the summer of 2015. His value was high at that point and it should have been obvious to us even then that he was never going to be the banger/defender that we need from his position.

 

[e_blazer]

Going to have to disagree there. At this point we'd be selling ultra-low on him. I think the years remaining on his contract combined with his regression, yes regression, this season following his shoulder issues last year would scare off any potentially interested parties. Leonard is going to have to prove that he still has an NBA level skillset because right now it's not apparent. He's an overseas level guy right now with confidence issues and a moderately expensive contract.

Hindsight being what it is, the time to trade Leonard was the summer of 2015. His value was high at that point and it should have been obvious to us even then that he was never going to be the banger/defender that we need from his position.

As I've said in other posts, Meyers' main value right now is as filler to make salaries match in a deal where the Blazers probably have to eat someone else's bad contract. From that standpoint, he's an asset and better than having no salary room to maneuver at all.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Even IF he were a negative asset (he's not), we wouldn't be in a better position without him. If we hadn't signed him we wouldn't be able to sign someone else. In the worst case scenario we can just DNP-CD him from here to the end of his contract and he'd be a net-neutral. But at $10M per year, he has value - we can trade him to a team that has their own version of a Meyers (Monroe?*), and hope that the swap makes us better. Barring that, in Year 3 he becomes an expiring contract which - despite RLEC - can have value around the league.

So no, Meyers is not a negative asset no matter how much you hate the guy.

*I'm not advocating this, just using it as an example.

I absolutely agree with you, but..... Even a winning lottery ticket has no value until you actually redeem it. With the way he's playing, it could be argued that he has no value to the team right now.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

As I've said in other posts, Meyers' main value right now is as filler to make salaries match in a deal where the Blazers probably have to eat someone else's bad contract. From that standpoint, he's an asset and better than having no salary room to maneuver at all.

Serious question - do you think he has more trade value than a partially-guaranteed-next-year Ezeli?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Serious question - do you think he has more trade value than a partially-guaranteed-next-year Ezeli?

Good question. I have no clue about the answer.

 

[riverman]

Meyers is well on his way to becoming a contenders Matt Bonner or Brian Scalabrini...we should trade him to the Spurs or Celtics

 

[Nikolokolus]

Serious question - do you think he has more trade value than a partially-guaranteed-next-year Ezeli?

I don't. Ezili would make a nice cap clearing move for some team that needs it (especially since his deal isn't guaranteed). Meyers still has multiple years left, so it's going to take a couple before he's a tasty expiring deal.

 

[Five Second Violation]

As I've said in other posts, Meyers' main value right now is as filler to make salaries match in a deal where the Blazers probably have to eat someone else's bad contract. From that standpoint, he's an asset and better than having no salary room to maneuver at all.

Maybe, but he's got three more years left on his contract so if a team thinks he's a chump then they're not going to be thrilled about having him on the books that long. That stymies his tradability.

I can't imagine many teams remaining intrigued with his "potential", the guy is in his 5th season and is probably worse now than he was as a rookie.

 

[e_blazer]

Maybe, but he's got three more years left on his contract so if a team thinks he's a chump then they're not going to be thrilled about having him on the books that long. That stymies his tradability.

I can't imagine many teams remaining intrigued with his "potential", the guy is in his 5th season and is probably worse now than he was as a rookie.

His projected date to return from shoulder surgery was right about now, so you might want to factor that into your thoughts about how he's played so far this season.

 

[Five Second Violation]

His projected date to return from shoulder surgery was right about now, so you might want to factor that into your thoughts about how he's played so far this season.

I'm on record as having completely thrown in the towel with regards to Meyers. He's just never going to be what we need from that position and even at his best he projects to be a so-so, offensively oriented role player. I've been ready to move on from him for quite awhile now.

I can appreciate that his shoulder could be factoring into his terrible offensive play this year, but the fact is that he's still suiting up and going out there every night, and his defense has been consistently terrible regardless. And if the shoulder is in fact an issue then I don't see how that plays into our favor when it comes to finding a trade partner for him.