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PCmor7 said:
The fun I'm having on social media the past 24 hours is watching the same Heat fans who just a couple of weeks ago were saying it made no sense for their team to offer much in return for Dame because of his age, contract and the Blazers' lack of leverage now are saying the Heat were offering more than was reported by anyone or they even were willing to give up, as an argument that they made a better deal than the Bucks.

Heat fans now are saying Riley offered Herro, 3 1R picks, a slew of second-round picks and, depending on who you read, some combination of Jovic, Jaquez and Martin.

Amazing.
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Yeah the reporting out of Miami has been so shitty but what I've gathered was the offer was two of their FRPs and one from Herro going to a third team. A slew of seconds must have been coming from elsewhere as well because the Heat only own one second round pick. It was basically going to be three FRPs and who knows what the salary coming with those was going to be, they're not saying so I'm assuming it was shitty, not even expirings. We got Allen who helped us get Ayton, one FRP unprotected, two FRP swaps unprotected and whatever we get for Holiday which the media is saying will be a haul but I'm trying to temper my expectations.

The fucking Heat fans are morons that is one thing I think all of us have been able to agree about during these trying times. Here's to brighter days ahead.
 
So, I've been thinking about the deal. I can't pretend to use what Miami was "willing" to offer for Dame, only what was actually offered. I'm taking the Suns part out of the deal for simplicity. I keep hearing we took a worse deal, and I think I disagree.

1. Jrue's trade value > Herro's trade value. Neither player was going to come and stay. The M'eat have been trying to trade Herro, and word was they couldn't even move him for a first. Meanwhile, the discussed value for Jrue has been multiple picks and a young player.

2. Two first-round picks sometime in the future from Miami < '29 unprotected, '28 and '30 unprotected trade swaps. Miami's organizational competence killed them here. When is the last time they have been terrible? Along with the Spurs, they're the Patriots of the NBA. Meanwhile, Milwaukee will be SPENT in those three years and we'll likely be pretty decent.

I cannot understand how Miami can feel their offer was superior. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
 
maxiep said:
So, I've been thinking about the deal. I can't pretend to use what Miami was "willing" to offer for Dame, only what was actually offered. I'm taking the Suns part out of the deal for simplicity. I keep hearing we took a worse deal, and I think I disagree.

1. Jrue's trade value > Herro's trade value. Neither player was going to come and stay. The M'eat have been trying to trade Herro, and word was they couldn't even move him for a first. Meanwhile, the discussed value for Jrue has been multiple picks and a young player.

2. Two first-round picks sometime in the future from Miami < '29 unprotected, '28 and '30 unprotected trade swaps. Miami's organizational competence killed them here. When is the last time they have been terrible? Along with the Spurs, they're the Patriots of the NBA. Meanwhile, Milwaukee will be SPENT in those three years and we'll likely be pretty decent.

I cannot understand how Miami can feel their offer was superior. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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You're not.
 
maxiep said:
So, I've been thinking about the deal. I can't pretend to use what Miami was "willing" to offer for Dame, only what was actually offered. I'm taking the Suns part out of the deal for simplicity. I keep hearing we took a worse deal, and I think I disagree.

1. Jrue's trade value > Herro's trade value. Neither player was going to come and stay. The M'eat have been trying to trade Herro, and word was they couldn't even move him for a first. Meanwhile, the discussed value for Jrue has been multiple picks and a young player.

2. Two first-round picks sometime in the future from Miami < '29 unprotected, '28 and '30 unprotected trade swaps. Miami's organizational competence killed them here. When is the last time they have been terrible? Along with the Spurs, they're the Patriots of the NBA. Meanwhile, Milwaukee will be SPENT in those three years and we'll likely be pretty decent.

I cannot understand how Miami can feel their offer was superior. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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And every single national pundit I have listened to is saying this was a good trade for us. I haven't heard anything negative other than people from Miami and some people around here.
 
I'm thinking that Heat fans are also victims in this BS.

They were told that they would get a legendary prize for literally pennies on the dollar.
Somehow, they then convinced themselves that they DESERVED Lillard for pennies on the dollar.

They lost 2 rotation players, and don't have a point guard on the roster.
And now, they're trying to remain positive. But not before ripping the Blazers.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I'm thinking that Heat fans are also victims in this BS.

They were told that they would get a legendary prize for literally pennies on the dollar.
Somehow, they then convinced themselves that they DESERVED Lillard for pennies on the dollar.

They lost 2 rotation players, and don't have a point guard on the roster.
And now, they're trying to remain positive. But not before ripping the Blazers.
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With Damian Lillard now with the Bucks in the Eastern Conference, with Jrue Holiday still in the same conference with the Celtics.
Worst-case outcome for Miami.
 
Zach Lowe definitively said that Miami made an offer for Holiday and Portland listened and considered it before taking what they felt was a better deal from Boston.
 
illmatic99 said:
Zach Lowe definitively said that Miami made an offer for Holiday and Portland listened and considered it before taking what they felt was a better deal from Boston.
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So I think Miami will definitely be in play for Brogdon. It will be interesting to see if we just didn't have time to get the deal done before today and he's still gone in the next few days or if we actually hold onto him for a while.
 
Not sure where this is being discussed, but I’m seeing on X that we were going to trade Dame to Miami but Dame’s agents made disparaging comments so Joe changed his mind. Anyone know what was said? This explains uprise saying Dame was going to Miami a few days before the Bucks deal.
 
KingSpeed said:
Not sure where this is being discussed, but I’m seeing on X that we were going to trade Dame to Miami but Dame’s agents made disparaging comments so Joe changed his mind. Anyone know what was said? This explains uprise saying Dame was going to Miami a few days before the Bucks deal.
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how do you have the energy to care about any of that.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I KNEW they wouldn't give up Jaquez!
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Grr:

What with the two Celtics being predictably injured, the nagging thought that we should've taken the Miami deal has reentered my fevered brain.

Of course, if they really DID refuse to give up Jaquez, then nevermind.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Grr:

What with the two Celtics being predictably injured, the nagging thought that we should've taken the Miami deal has reentered my fevered brain.

Of course, if they really DID refuse to give up Jaquez, then nevermind.
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Because all we got in the trade was Brogdon and Williams?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Grr:

What with the two Celtics being predictably injured, the nagging thought that we should've taken the Miami deal has reentered my fevered brain.

Of course, if they really DID refuse to give up Jaquez, then nevermind.
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I have zero regrets.

He never could have been offered, as when Miami made their offer he was ineligible to be traded and the teams never talked after.

I doubt the Heat would've emptied anywhere close to all their assets anyways. They just wanted to steal the Blazers star for pennies on the dollar as they did with Butler/LeBron/etc.

Fuck the Heat, their ownership, management, delusional media, and huge group of entitled fans.
 
two of those picks were 'i'm shorting the miami beach community' miami picks, one of them was a protected shitty tyler herro pick, and the 4th pick--let's face it, that 4th pick doesn't exist. and if you have to say 'a younger player' you're absolutely talking about the likes of nikola jovic.

(unmoved at second rounders and pick swaps—that's like putting sriacha on week-old takeout).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
LEST WE FORGET
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Forget what?

So you found some Miami media that says Miami was "working" on a package - whatever that means.

This was confirmed to have never been offered. Miami made one lowball offer when Dame first demanded a trade and the teams never spoke afterwards.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Forget what?
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Forget what was and was not explicitly offered.

Jaquez was never even mentioned. I think, given how much chatter there was about him specifically, that we can be confident that Herro was.

I'm kind of surprised that Miami didn't make more of an effort to land Jrue. Maybe relations between Cronin and Miami FO just soured beyond repair, or Cronin just liked Boston's offer better. In retrospect acquiring two injured vets for a rebuilding team doesn't seem so great. That's a package that should have appealed to a team that was trying to make the playoffs.
 
what I think happened but can't prove:

Dame felt Conin had conned him with platitudes about building a contender around him, but never really tried. There may have been a couple of trade offers that Dame knew about and thought might helped, but the Blazers had no interest. So, Dame was disappointed and pissed-off by the time he asked to be traded. And he told his agent that Miami was a preferred destination.

Meanwhile, his agent and Pat Riley capitalized on Dame's anger at Cronin to construct the 'Miami-or-Bust' position in an attempt to corner the Blazer F.O. And, believing he had a big leverage hammer, Riley made a low-ball offer....an insulting low-ball offer that was likely something like Herro and Lowry plus a couple of protected first round picks. It's not a coincidence that Riley signed Jaquez in the earliest minute of the off-season possible, taking him out of trade discussions for 30 days

the Blazer F.O. was fully aware of the 'collusion' between Dame's agent and Pat Riley, even before the 'Miami-or-Bust' noise was heard by the masses. So, already kind of angry themselves, when Riley made his insulting low-ball offer, Cronin essentially told the Heat to pound sand, cut off communication, and let Dame and his agent know it would never be Miami. And they 'won' the stare-down, even though 'winning' in this case was Brogdon, Timelord, and a couple of picks 6 years away

but mainly, I think it's pretty clear that Miami never made an honest attempt to land Dame; they only tried to steal him. meaning there is a lot of sand in Miami to pound
 
wizenheimer said:
what I think happened but can't prove:

Dame felt Conin had conned him with platitudes about building a contender around him, but never really tried. There may have been a couple of trade offers that Dame knew about and thought might helped, but the Blazers had no interest. So, Dame was disappointed and pissed-off by the time he asked to be traded. And he told his agent that Miami was a preferred destination.

Meanwhile, his agent and Pat Riley capitalized on Dame's anger at Cronin to construct the 'Miami-or-Bust' position in an attempt to corner the Blazer F.O. And, believing he had a big leverage hammer, Riley made a low-ball offer....an insulting low-ball offer that was likely something like Herro and Lowry plus a couple of protected first round picks. It's not a coincidence that Riley signed Jaquez in the earliest minute of the off-season possible, taking him out of trade discussions for 30 days

the Blazer F.O. was fully aware of the 'collusion' between Dame's agent and Pat Riley, even before the 'Miami-or-Bust' noise was heard by the masses. So, already kind of angry themselves, when Riley made his insulting low-ball offer, Cronin essentially told the Heat to pound sand, cut off communication, and let Dame and his agent know it would never be Miami. And they 'won' the stare-down, even though 'winning' in this case was Brogdon, Timelord, and a couple of picks 6 years away

but mainly, I think it's pretty clear that Miami never made an honest attempt to land Dame; they only tried to steal him. meaning there is a lot of sand in Miami to pound
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Yeah I agree it's something along these lines.

Curious what the actual deals are that Dame wanted, Cronin/Blazers refused, and then Dame was furious.

I've always suspected it was Jaylen Brown for #3+Ant.

If that's the case I can totally sympathize with Dame scorched earth stance. He agrees to sit for the tank and improve the Blazers pick with an understanding it'll lead to a trade bringing in a vet. He is told to recruit stars and gets Brown to force his way to PDX like Grant. Then the Blazers refuse to trade away the pick, and actually use it on a 19year old 6'3 guy to basically eventually replace himself.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I've always suspected it was Jaylen Brown for #3+Ant.
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I'm skeptical that Brown was ever in play.

Even if Brown & Dame hatched this plan, it was missing approval of one very important person.... Brad Stevens. This all presupposes that Celtics would be willing to trade Brown for #3+Ant.

Given Brown signed a massive extension at the end of July '23 -> he could have very well just been using Dame as leverage to get a better extension.

That doesn't mean that Dame didn't THINK everything was lined up for an easy transaction. Based on his view of the world, he could have still be 'justifiably' mad.


Ultimately, we will likely never know for sure.
 
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